[Cloud] new use case for cloud printing

[Cloud] new use case for cloud printing

[Cloud] new use case for cloud printing

Ira McDonald blueroofmusic at gmail.com
Fri Aug 17 13:35:15 UTC 2012


Hi Bill,

I don't see why you suggested that the IPP WG is "running
out of steam?"

IPP Everywhere is proceeding on track.  Our last PWG
spec (Everywhere itself) is now in PWG Last Call.  Our
two related IETF specs (IPPS URI and LDAP Printer) are
moving along as expected.

Mike and I have every intention of proceeding w/ IPP
Multifunction work and new specs.

Cheers,
- Ira


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On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 12:11 AM, William A Wagner <wamwagner at comcast.net>wrote:

> By the  latest (but yet to be approved by the SC) Charter
> (ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/cloud/wd/wd-cloud-charter-20120428.pdf) the
> Cloud
> WG is to specify the Model, first of Cloud Printing and then of Cloud
> Imaging. The IPP  group is to generate an IPP Binding to the Model
> specification. In theory, the Semantic Model group was to generate "SOAP
> binding documents for Cloud Print and Cloud Multifunction services with
> associated XML schemas/WSDL definitions and equivalent informative REST
> bindings". Practically, with Mike and Ira distracted, the IPP WG may be
> running out of steam. With Pete leaving the Semantic Model WG, it seems
> unlikely that a Cloud Imaging binding is on the to-do list. So we may want
> to consider alternatives.
>
> Bill W.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cloud-bounces at pwg.org [mailto:cloud-bounces at pwg.org] On Behalf Of
> Randy Turner
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 10:55 PM
> To: cloud at pwg.org
> Subject: Re: [Cloud] new use case for cloud printing
>
>
>
> Is the output of the cloud WG going to be implementable, or are we keeping
> things abstract, wherein some actual cloud print provider will essentially
> "instance" our model and do a concrete implementation ?
>
> R.
>
> On Aug 16, 2012, at 3:05 PM, "larryupthegrove" <
> larryupthegrove at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> > I think this is a design decision based use case - that the cloud
> > service would attempt to retrieve the files by a specific method.  The
> > use case of the user wanting to print a file from a service or
> > location could also be met by requiring the user to upload the file,
> > or click print on the file in Flickr (or other application) and select
> > the cloud provider from the list of printers, or add the cloud print
> > provider as a "trusted friend" in Flickr, or  .....
> >
> > Larry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cloud-bounces at pwg.org [mailto:cloud-bounces at pwg.org] On Behalf
> > Of William A Wagner
> > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 1:55 PM
> > To: 'Randy Turner'; cloud at pwg.org
> > Subject: RE: [Cloud] new use case for cloud printing
> >
> > The scenario is interesting, but I think the conditions you suggest
> > (Cloud or printer needs to authenticate on behalf of Alice to get
> > access to the photos, but cannot use Alice's credentials) make this a
> > problem in authentication/authorization akin to other cloud service
> > issues rather than represent a printing specific issue. I think we
> > discussed a similar case at the meeting and decided we would defer to
> > cloud service provider solutions such as used in allowing friends to
> > view cloud based photo albums or have files shared via Dropbox (send
> > the link/password encrypted??); or revert to having Alice pull the photos
> though her device.
> >
> > But even if we do not attempt to define a solution, I agree that this
> > is a potentially valid use case that we might list but decline to
> address.
> >
> > Opinions from others in the working group??
> >
> > Bill Wagner
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cloud-bounces at pwg.org [mailto:cloud-bounces at pwg.org] On Behalf
> > Of Randy Turner
> > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 4:01 PM
> > To: cloud at pwg.org
> > Subject: [Cloud] new use case for cloud printing
> >
> >
> > During the recent F-to-F meeting and re-reading the current cloud
> > use-cases, I didn't see a use-case for accessing 3rd-party web site
> > content to print "from" - an example being.
> >
> > Alice has a photo album stored on Flickr.com.  She wants to print one
> > or more of her pictures from her Flickr album on a particular cloud
> printer.
> > This is similar to the print-by-reference case, in that Alice will
> > probably specify a URL (URI) to print "from".  However, the cloud
> > service will have to authenticate on behalf of Alice to access her
> > photo album (by reference), and Alice must not reveal her Flickr
> > authentication credentials to the cloud service.
> >
> > R.
> >
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