From Ron.Bergman at Hitachi-hkis.com Fri Jan 18 14:29:41 2002 From: Ron.Bergman at Hitachi-hkis.com (Ron.Bergman@Hitachi-hkis.com) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:44 2009 Subject: FIN> RE: UP3I Support Message-ID: <3BC1BD0C7E6DD411A13200508BDCC83DA6EA73@triton.hitachi-hkis.com> Brian, UP3i has a version 1.0 document which can be found at: http://www.up3i.org/ I do not know what they included from the Finisher MIB but both the Printer MIB and the Finisher MIB are listed as "helpful sources". Ron Bergman Hitachi Koki Imaging Solutions -----Original Message----- From: Brian Anderson [mailto:banderson@sofha.com] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 5:00 PM To: harryl@us.ibm.com Cc: fin@pwg.org; rbergma@hitachi-hkis.com Subject: UP3I Support Hi Harry: Back in May 2001 the PWG was considering supporting a request from UP3I group (Universal Printer Pre- and Postprocessing Interface). The request was to use some of the FIN MIB terminology. What support was provided and do you know any status whether the UP3I has implemented its standard? Best regards, - Brian Anderson SOFHA Berlin, Germany Email: banderson@sofha.com Tel: +949/856 0496 (direct) 949/300-3475 (mobile) Fax: +949/767-5889 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/fin/attachments/20020118/071b5181/attachment.html From Ron.Bergman at Hitachi-hkis.com Mon Aug 5 17:08:31 2002 From: Ron.Bergman at Hitachi-hkis.com (Ron.Bergman@Hitachi-hkis.com) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:44 2009 Subject: FIN> Printer MIB and Finisher MIB Update Message-ID: <3BC1BD0C7E6DD411A13200508BDCC83DA6EBEB@triton.hitachi-hkis.com> Bert and David, I have updated both MIBs per your latest comments and the new drafts have been submitted to the IETF Internet-Drafts site. They should be available shortly. In the interim, the documents are available on the PWG FTP site: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/drafts/draft-ietf-printmib-mib-info-12.txt ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/fin/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-printmib-finishing- 13.txt The majority of the changes are not technical but per your suggestions regarding requirements for the RFC editor. The most significant change is moving the CodedCharSet TC to IANA. We have created this MIB and it is being submitted to IANA. We sincerely appreciate your support in reviewing this document and hope that you can do a quick review of the final results and submit to the IESG for last call. Summary of the changes to the Printer MIB (-11 to -12) 1) Removed Gary Gocek, Harry Lewis, and Randy Turner from the cover page and footers. Move the listings for the above from the "Authors" to "Significant Contributors" and removed the company addresses to be consistent with other entries in appendix F. 2) Added Steve Waldbusser to the "Significant Contributors" section. 3) Section 2.2.13 "...description of each alert..." was "...description of each critical alert..." 4) Corrected prtInputXXX names in first paragraph of Appendix B and C. Also revised this paragraph to reference the PWG Media Names specification [30]. 5) Added a note to prtMarkerLifeCount concerning the need to be a persistent value. 6) Added chSMTP(45) to prtChannelTypeTC. Added reference [29]. 7) Corrected reference to IANA Charset Registry. (reference [4]) 8) Shortened name of Appendix B. 9) Added reference to PWG Media Names specification [30] to prtInputMediaName, prtInputMediaType, and prtInputMediaColor. Revised description and added a reference clause for prtInputMediaType, and prtInputMediaColor. 10) Added the copyright notice to first page. 11) Removed the references to the HR and Interfaces MIB from the Abstract. 12) Added section 1.5 and a reference to RFC 2119 in the Reference section. 13) Removed the CodedCharSet Textual Convention, replaced with an import of the CodedCharSet TC from IANA. 14) Section 2.2.1.1, 1st paragraph: Added text that indicates the CodedCharSet TC is from the IANA Coded Character Set MIB. 15) Section 2.2.5, 1st paragraph: Revised text to reference the Finisher MIB. 16) Section 2.2.8: Added a reference to RFC 1790 and revised the text for clarification. 17) Section 2.2.9: Added a reference to RFC 2863. 18) Split section 10 into sections 10 and 11 for Normative and Informative References. All references have been re-labeled per current IETF practice. 19) Added new language enums 60 to 65 to prtInterpreterLangFamilyTC. 20) Updated the contact information in the MODULE-IDENTITY clause. Summary of the changes to the Finisher MIB (-12 to -13) 1) Moved second paragraph of the abstract to the Introduction section. 2) Removed second paragraph of section 5.2. 3) Added a size clause to finDeviceAssociatedMediaPaths and finDeviceAssociatedOutputs. 4) Split section 8 into sections 8 and 9 for Normative and Informative References. All references have been re-labeled per current IETF practice. 5) Added Ira McDonald to the "Significant Contributors" section. For the PrintMIB Working Group, Ron Bergman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/fin/attachments/20020805/e93becdf/attachment.html From Ron.Bergman at Hitachi-hkis.com Thu Aug 8 14:21:26 2002 From: Ron.Bergman at Hitachi-hkis.com (Ron.Bergman@Hitachi-hkis.com) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:44 2009 Subject: FIN> RE: Printer MIB and Finisher MIB Update Message-ID: <3BC1BD0C7E6DD411A13200508BDCC83DA6EBF5@triton.hitachi-hkis.com> The new MIB documents are now available at: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ draft-ietf-printmib-mib-info-12.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ draft-ietf-printmib-finishing-13.txt Ron -----Original Message----- From: Bergman, Ron Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 2:09 PM To: 'Wijnen, Bert (Bert)'; dbh@enterasys.com Cc: RCasterline@lhsolutions.com; harryl@us.ibm.com; imcdonald@sharplabs.com; paf@cisco.com; Ned Freed (E-mail); 'pmp@pwg.org'; 'fin@pwg.org' Subject: Printer MIB and Finisher MIB Update Bert and David, I have updated both MIBs per your latest comments and the new drafts have been submitted to the IETF Internet-Drafts site. They should be available shortly. In the interim, the documents are available on the PWG FTP site: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/drafts/draft-ietf-printmib-mib-info-12.txt ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/fin/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-printmib-finishing- 13.txt The majority of the changes are not technical but per your suggestions regarding requirements for the RFC editor. The most significant change is moving the CodedCharSet TC to IANA. We have created this MIB and it is being submitted to IANA. We sincerely appreciate your support in reviewing this document and hope that you can do a quick review of the final results and submit to the IESG for last call. Summary of the changes to the Printer MIB (-11 to -12) 1) Removed Gary Gocek, Harry Lewis, and Randy Turner from the cover page and footers. Move the listings for the above from the "Authors" to "Significant Contributors" and removed the company addresses to be consistent with other entries in appendix F. 2) Added Steve Waldbusser to the "Significant Contributors" section. 3) Section 2.2.13 "...description of each alert..." was "...description of each critical alert..." 4) Corrected prtInputXXX names in first paragraph of Appendix B and C. Also revised this paragraph to reference the PWG Media Names specification [30]. 5) Added a note to prtMarkerLifeCount concerning the need to be a persistent value. 6) Added chSMTP(45) to prtChannelTypeTC. Added reference [29]. 7) Corrected reference to IANA Charset Registry. (reference [4]) 8) Shortened name of Appendix B. 9) Added reference to PWG Media Names specification [30] to prtInputMediaName, prtInputMediaType, and prtInputMediaColor. Revised description and added a reference clause for prtInputMediaType, and prtInputMediaColor. 10) Added the copyright notice to first page. 11) Removed the references to the HR and Interfaces MIB from the Abstract. 12) Added section 1.5 and a reference to RFC 2119 in the Reference section. 13) Removed the CodedCharSet Textual Convention, replaced with an import of the CodedCharSet TC from IANA. 14) Section 2.2.1.1, 1st paragraph: Added text that indicates the CodedCharSet TC is from the IANA Coded Character Set MIB. 15) Section 2.2.5, 1st paragraph: Revised text to reference the Finisher MIB. 16) Section 2.2.8: Added a reference to RFC 1790 and revised the text for clarification. 17) Section 2.2.9: Added a reference to RFC 2863. 18) Split section 10 into sections 10 and 11 for Normative and Informative References. All references have been re-labeled per current IETF practice. 19) Added new language enums 60 to 65 to prtInterpreterLangFamilyTC. 20) Updated the contact information in the MODULE-IDENTITY clause. Summary of the changes to the Finisher MIB (-12 to -13) 1) Moved second paragraph of the abstract to the Introduction section. 2) Removed second paragraph of section 5.2. 3) Added a size clause to finDeviceAssociatedMediaPaths and finDeviceAssociatedOutputs. 4) Split section 8 into sections 8 and 9 for Normative and Informative References. All references have been re-labeled per current IETF practice. 5) Added Ira McDonald to the "Significant Contributors" section. For the PrintMIB Working Group, Ron Bergman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/fin/attachments/20020808/bd1f42ae/attachment.html From Ron.Bergman at Hitachi-hkis.com Tue Sep 3 21:30:19 2002 From: Ron.Bergman at Hitachi-hkis.com (Ron.Bergman@Hitachi-hkis.com) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:44 2009 Subject: FIN> RE: Printer MIB and Finisher MIB Update Message-ID: <3BC1BD0C7E6DD411A13200508BDCC83DA6EC1D@triton.hitachi-hkis.com> Bert and David, Have you had any time to look at our new documents? Ron -----Original Message----- From: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [mailto:bwijnen@lucent.com] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:18 PM To: Ron.Bergman@Hitachi-hkis.com; dbh@enterasys.com Cc: RCasterline@lhsolutions.com; harryl@us.ibm.com; imcdonald@sharplabs.com; paf@cisco.com; ned.freed@mrochek.com; pmp@pwg.org; fin@pwg.org; bwijnen@lucent.com Subject: RE: Printer MIB and Finisher MIB Update Will try to check them early next week Thanks, Bert -----Original Message----- From: Ron.Bergman@Hitachi-hkis.com [mailto:Ron.Bergman@Hitachi-hkis.com] Sent: donderdag 8 augustus 2002 20:21 To: bwijnen@lucent.com; dbh@enterasys.com Cc: RCasterline@lhsolutions.com; harryl@us.ibm.com; imcdonald@sharplabs.com; paf@cisco.com; ned.freed@mrochek.com; pmp@pwg.org; fin@pwg.org Subject: RE: Printer MIB and Finisher MIB Update The new MIB documents are now available at: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ draft-ietf-printmib-mib-info-12.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ draft-ietf-printmib-finishing-13.txt Ron -----Original Message----- From: Bergman, Ron Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 2:09 PM To: 'Wijnen, Bert (Bert)'; dbh@enterasys.com Cc: RCasterline@lhsolutions.com; harryl@us.ibm.com; imcdonald@sharplabs.com; paf@cisco.com; Ned Freed (E-mail); 'pmp@pwg.org'; 'fin@pwg.org' Subject: Printer MIB and Finisher MIB Update Bert and David, I have updated both MIBs per your latest comments and the new drafts have been submitted to the IETF Internet-Drafts site. They should be available shortly. In the interim, the documents are available on the PWG FTP site: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/drafts/draft-ietf-printmib-mib-info-12.txt ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/fin/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-printmib-finishing- 13.txt The majority of the changes are not technical but per your suggestions regarding requirements for the RFC editor. The most significant change is moving the CodedCharSet TC to IANA. We have created this MIB and it is being submitted to IANA. We sincerely appreciate your support in reviewing this document and hope that you can do a quick review of the final results and submit to the IESG for last call. Summary of the changes to the Printer MIB (-11 to -12) 1) Removed Gary Gocek, Harry Lewis, and Randy Turner from the cover page and footers. Move the listings for the above from the "Authors" to "Significant Contributors" and removed the company addresses to be consistent with other entries in appendix F. 2) Added Steve Waldbusser to the "Significant Contributors" section. 3) Section 2.2.13 "...description of each alert..." was "...description of each critical alert..." 4) Corrected prtInputXXX names in first paragraph of Appendix B and C. Also revised this paragraph to reference the PWG Media Names specification [30]. 5) Added a note to prtMarkerLifeCount concerning the need to be a persistent value. 6) Added chSMTP(45) to prtChannelTypeTC. Added reference [29]. 7) Corrected reference to IANA Charset Registry. (reference [4]) 8) Shortened name of Appendix B. 9) Added reference to PWG Media Names specification [30] to prtInputMediaName, prtInputMediaType, and prtInputMediaColor. Revised description and added a reference clause for prtInputMediaType, and prtInputMediaColor. 10) Added the copyright notice to first page 11) Removed the references to the HR and Interfaces MIB from the Abstract. 12) Added section 1.5 and a reference to RFC 2119 in the Reference section. 13) Removed the CodedCharSet Textual Convention, replaced with an import of the CodedCharSet TC from IANA. 14) Section 2.2.1.1, 1st paragraph: Added text that indicates the CodedCharSet TC is from the IANA Coded Character Set MIB. 15) Section 2.2.5, 1st paragraph: Revised text to reference the Finisher MIB. 16) Section 2.2.8: Added a reference to RFC 1790 and revised the text for clarification. 17) Section 2.2.9: Added a reference to RFC 2863. 18) Split section 10 into sections 10 and 11 for Normative and Informative References. All references have been re-labeled per current IETF practice. 19) Added new language enums 60 to 65 to prtInterpreterLangFamilyTC. 20) Updated the contact information in the MODULE-IDENTITY clause. Summary of the changes to the Finisher MIB (-12 to -13) 1) Moved second paragraph of the abstract to the Introduction section. 2) Removed second paragraph of section 5.2. 3) Added a size clause to finDeviceAssociatedMediaPaths and finDeviceAssociatedOutputs. 4) Split section 8 into sections 8 and 9 for Normative and Informative References. All references have been re-labeled per current IETF practice. 5) Added Ira McDonald to the "Significant Contributors" section. For the PrintMIB Working Group, Ron Bergman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/fin/attachments/20020903/a7fb49f2/attachment.html From imcdonald at sharplabs.com Tue Sep 17 18:44:56 2002 From: imcdonald at sharplabs.com (McDonald, Ira) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:44 2009 Subject: FIN> RE: Printer/Finisher MIB and IANA enumerations Message-ID: <116DB56CD7DED511BC7800508B2CA53735CDA2@mailsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com> Hi Juergen, Thanks for your excellent feedback. Your timing is perfect! Last week, Ron Bergman and I concluded that all type 2 and type 3 textual conventions should be moved into such a separate IANA-Printer-Types-MIB (like the HOST-RESOURCES-TYPES-MIB in RFC 2790). We plan to do this before the next draft - so we will wind up with three SMIv2 source modules for Printer MIB: 1) Printer-MIB itself 2) IANA-Charset-MIB for the 'IANACharset' TC (improved name per feedback from the IETF Charsets Registry mailing list) 3) IANA-Printer-Types-MIB for type2/type3 enums Should we use all uppercase for the two IANA-maintained modules? More recent IETF 'standards track' MIBs seem to do so. We've also identified _one_ textual convention 'PrtAlertGroupTC' which should be changed from type 1 (requires republication of entire Printer MIB) to type 2 (IANA maintained). Because the Finisher MIB had to add enums to this TC several years ago. Else, any more new Finisher MIB object groups would require republication of the Printer MIB (a mistake in our opinion). We will also (per Bert Wijnen's request) insert the 'Prt' suffix into our two recently added localized string TCs: - 'PrtLocalizedDescriptionStringTC' - 'PrtConsoleDescriptionStringTC' (my mistake this wasn't done originally). One textual convention 'PresentOnOff' we plan to leave with the current (original RFC 1759) name and no 'Prt' prefix. Because the Finisher MIB uses it (unmodified) already. And a number of vendor private MIBs import it (I used it in the Xerox enterprise MIB modules for years). Should we fix the name (add 'Prt' prefix) of this last TC? We will also fix every one of the problems that Bert Wijnen identified in his recent 24-page email on 'difftool' output. Cheers, - Ira McDonald, co-editor of Printer MIB v2 High North Inc -----Original Message----- From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:schoenw@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de] Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 4:32 PM To: Ron.Bergman@Hitachi-hkis.com; bwijnen@lucent.com; dbh@enterasys.com; harryl@us.ibm.com; imcdonald@sharplabs.com; paf@cisco.com; ned.freed@mrochek.com; pmp@pwg.org; fin@pwg.org Subject: Printer/Finisher MIB and IANA enumerations I have done some more work on my Printer-MIB implementation and I stumbled over the type 1, 2 and 3 enumerations. Section 2.4.1 says: : 2.4.1 Registering Additional Enumerated Values : : This working group has defined several type of enumerations. These : enumerations differ in the method employed to control the addition of : new enumerations. Throughout this document, references to : "enumeration (n)", where n can be 1, 2 or 3 can be found in the : various tables. The definitions of these types of enumerations are: : : enumeration (1) All the values are defined in the Printer MIB : specification (RFC for the Printer MIB). Additional enumerated : values require a new RFC. : : enumeration (2) An initial set of values are defined in the : Printer MIB specification. Additional enumerated values are : registered after review by this working group. The initial : versions of the MIB will contain the values registered so far. : After the MIB is approved, additional values will be registered : through IANA after approval by this working group. : : enumeration (3) An initial set of values are defined in the : Printer MIB specification. Additional enumerated values are : registered without working group review. The initial versions of : the MIB will contain the values registered so far. After the MIB : is approved, additional values will be registered through IANA : without approval by this working group. So this sounds like all type 2 and type 3 enumerations are in fact under IANA control. In fact, IANA already maintains an informal list for the printer languages: http://www.iana.org/assignments/printer-language-numbers I think the right thing to do here is actually to handle the type 2 and type 3 enumerations in exactly the way you handle the charset textual convention so that IANA can update a proper MIB module which the printer/finisher MIB import. In other words, I propose to move the type 2 TCs PrtGeneralResetTC, PrtMarkerSuppliesTypeTC, prtGeneralReset and the type 3 TCs PrtCoverStatusTC, PrtChannelTypeTC, PrtInterpreterLangFamilyTC, PrtInputTypeTC, PrtOutputTypeTC, PrtMarkerMarkTechTC, PrtMediaPathTypeTC, PrtConsoleColorTC, PrtConsoleDisableTC, PrtAlertTrainingLevelTC, PrtAlertCodeTC into an IANA maintained module, e.g. the IANA-PRINTER-MIB. (I hope I did not mis one.) This way, there is no cut&paste needed when updating to the latest set of assigned values and IANA can use the SMIv2 module identity macro to allow others to track changes. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder From imcdonald at sharplabs.com Wed Sep 18 12:51:08 2002 From: imcdonald at sharplabs.com (McDonald, Ira) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:44 2009 Subject: FIN> RE: Printer/Finisher MIB and IANA enumerations Message-ID: <116DB56CD7DED511BC7800508B2CA53735CDA5@mailsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com> Hi Bert and Juergen, My apologies. Ron has already correctly restored _all_ of the original RFC 1759 textual conventions with status DEPRECATED immediately below each new 'Prt...' TC (so seeing the relation is easy) in his next working draft (soon to be released). Ron had intended to follow Bert's and Dave Harrington's advice not to remove any previously defined (RFC 1759) textual convention. And we prefer to use DEPRECATED (rather than OBSOLETE) because we wish to recognize that implementations or Printer MIB v1 (RFC 1759) continue to be used and are the basis of most OS vendor and tools vendor monitoring of network printers, at present. Thanks to all of you for keeping us straight on SMIv2 best practice. Cheers, - Ira McDonald High North Inc -----Original Message----- From: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [mailto:bwijnen@lucent.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 6:59 AM To: Juergen Schoenwaelder; imcdonald@sharplabs.com Cc: Ron.Bergman@Hitachi-hkis.com; bwijnen@lucent.com; dbh@enterasys.com; harryl@us.ibm.com; imcdonald@sharplabs.com; paf@cisco.com; ned.freed@mrochek.com; pmp@pwg.org; fin@pwg.org Subject: RE: Printer/Finisher MIB and IANA enumerations > Ira> Should we fix the name (add 'Prt' prefix) of this last TC? > > If you think consistency is important and you want people to use the > Prt* TCs,, you can can formally introduce a PrtPresentOnOff TC with > STATUS current while leaving the old PresentOnOff TC with STATUS > deprecated in the MIB. This way, nothing breaks and you can transition > to all prefixed TCs. > As a matter of fact, to better follow the SMI rules, the old non-prefixed TCs probably should all have stayed in the MIB with status deprecated. Or possibly even obsoleted if you want to give stronger message for people to switch to the new TCs. Bert > /js > > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder From imcdonald at sharplabs.com Fri Sep 20 14:30:27 2002 From: imcdonald at sharplabs.com (McDonald, Ira) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:44 2009 Subject: FIN> RE: [Addressability] one more printer mib question Message-ID: <116DB56CD7DED511BC7800508B2CA53735CDAB@mailsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com> Hi Juergen, Oops! Good question. I would say use the Marker row specified by 'prtMarkerDefaultIndex' in the 'prtGeneralTable'. But we sure ought to specify this in the descriptions of the two 'prtInterpreterTable' columnar objects. Right? Further, it's not meaningful (and SHOULD NOT be done) to have different addressability units for different markers or interpreters in the same instance of the Printer MIB, in my humble opinion. Cheers, - Ira McDonald, co-editor of Printer MIB v2 High North Inc -----Original Message----- From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:schoenw@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 6:48 AM To: McDonald, Ira Cc: Ron.Bergman@Hitachi-hkis.com; bwijnen@lucent.com; dbh@enterasys.com; harryl@us.ibm.com; McDonald, Ira; paf@cisco.com; ned.freed@mrochek.com; pmp@pwg.org; fin@pwg.org Subject: one more printer mib question The descriptions of prtInterpreterFeedAddressability and prtInterpreterXFeedAddressability say: prtInterpreterFeedAddressability OBJECT-TYPE SYNTAX Integer32 (-2..2147483647) MAX-ACCESS read-only STATUS current DESCRIPTION "The maximum interpreter addressability in the feed direction in 10000 prtMarkerAddressabilityUnits (see prtMarkerAddressabilityFeedDir ) for this interpreter. The value (-1) means other and specifically indicates that the sub- unit places no restrictions on this parameter." ::= { prtInterpreterEntry 8 } prtInterpreterXFeedAddressability OBJECT-TYPE SYNTAX Integer32 (-2..2147483647) MAX-ACCESS read-only STATUS current DESCRIPTION "The maximum interpreter addressability in the cross feed direction in 10000 prtMarkerAddressabilityUnits (see prtMarkerAddressabilityXFeedDir) for this interpreter. The value (-1) means other and specifically indicates that the sub- unit places no restrictions on this parameter." ::= { prtInterpreterEntry 9 } Which instance of prtMarkerAddressabilityUnits do I use for a given prtInterpreterFeedAddressability or prtInterpreterXFeedAddressability instance? /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder From imcdonald at sharplabs.com Fri Sep 20 19:05:43 2002 From: imcdonald at sharplabs.com (McDonald, Ira) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:44 2009 Subject: FIN> RE: [Addressability] one more printer mib question Message-ID: <116DB56CD7DED511BC7800508B2CA53735CDAF@mailsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com> Hi Juergen, While you're correct that we should define another column in 'prtInterpreterTable' to disambiguate this units problem, that's not very practical. The actual objects (very few) newly defined in Printer MIB v2 have all been stable for four or five years. Several printer vendors have been shipping full Printer MIB v2 implementations for two or three years. The tools all understand the current objects in Printer MIB v2. Adding an object now would be unpopular in the extreme. Vendors - is adding a new column to 'prtInterpreterTable' (the technically correct solution) acceptable? Ron and Harry - I'm personally ambivalent about this issue. Juergen has uncovered a non-trivial bug in the Printer MIB (v1 and v2). Cheers, - Ira McDonald, co-editor of Printer MIB v2 High North Inc -----Original Message----- From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:schoenw@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 5:05 PM To: imcdonald@sharplabs.com Cc: imcdonald@sharplabs.com; Ron.Bergman@Hitachi-hkis.com; bwijnen@lucent.com; dbh@enterasys.com; harryl@us.ibm.com; imcdonald@sharplabs.com; paf@cisco.com; ned.freed@mrochek.com; pmp@pwg.org; fin@pwg.org Subject: Re: [Addressability] one more printer mib question >>>>> McDonald, Ira writes: Ira> Oops! Good question. I would say use the Marker row specified Ira> by 'prtMarkerDefaultIndex' in the 'prtGeneralTable'. Are you sure this is always and necessarily the right marker? Ira> But we sure ought to specify this in the descriptions of the two Ira> 'prtInterpreterTable' columnar objects. Right? What ever the answer is, it should be documented. As far as I am concerned, I would like to see another column prtInterpreterFeedAddressabilityUnit added to the prtInterpreterTable and the need for looking up the unit in some other places just goes away. Ira> Further, it's not meaningful (and SHOULD NOT be done) to have Ira> different addressability units for different markers or Ira> interpreters in the same instance of the Printer MIB, in my Ira> humble opinion. Right now, the MIB seems to allow for it and hence I try to allow for this in my management application... /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder From Ron.Bergman at hitachi-ps.us Fri Oct 11 16:51:53 2002 From: Ron.Bergman at hitachi-ps.us (Ron.Bergman@hitachi-ps.us) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:44 2009 Subject: FIN> FW: New Finisher MIB Draft is now available Message-ID: <3BC1BD0C7E6DD411A13200508BDCC83D01A4A6D5@triton.hitachi-hkis.com> This message never made it to the list. The document is now also available from the IETF internet-drafts. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bergman, Ron > Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 5:19 PM > To: 'fin@pwg.org' > Subject: New Finisher MIB Draft is now available > > A new Finisher MIB Draft has been sent to the IETF. > > The only real change is the movement of the Type 2 and > Type 3 TCs to a separate MIB, which is also contained > in the same document. > > The new documents can be found at: > > > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/fin/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-printmib-finishin > g-14.txt > > > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/fin/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-printmib-finishin > g-14.pdf > > > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/fin/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-printmib-finishin > g-14.doc > > > Ron Bergman > Hitachi Printing Solutions America > > From Ron.Bergman at Hitachi-hkis.com Fri Jan 18 14:29:41 2002 From: Ron.Bergman at Hitachi-hkis.com (Ron.Bergman@Hitachi-hkis.com) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:48 2009 Subject: FIN> RE: UP3I Support Message-ID: <3BC1BD0C7E6DD411A13200508BDCC83DA6EA73@triton.hitachi-hkis.com> Brian, UP3i has a version 1.0 document which can be found at: http://www.up3i.org/ I do not know what they included from the Finisher MIB but both the Printer MIB and the Finisher MIB are listed as "helpful sources". Ron Bergman Hitachi Koki Imaging Solutions -----Original Message----- From: Brian Anderson [mailto:banderson@sofha.com] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 5:00 PM To: harryl@us.ibm.com Cc: fin@pwg.org; rbergma@hitachi-hkis.com Subject: UP3I Support Hi Harry: Back in May 2001 the PWG was considering supporting a request from UP3I group (Universal Printer Pre- and Postprocessing Interface). The request was to use some of the FIN MIB terminology. What support was provided and do you know any status whether the UP3I has implemented its standard? Best regards, - Brian Anderson SOFHA Berlin, Germany Email: banderson@sofha.com Tel: +949/856 0496 (direct) 949/300-3475 (mobile) Fax: +949/767-5889 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/fin/attachments/20020118/071b5181/attachment-0001.html From Ron.Bergman at Hitachi-hkis.com Mon Aug 5 17:08:31 2002 From: Ron.Bergman at Hitachi-hkis.com (Ron.Bergman@Hitachi-hkis.com) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:48 2009 Subject: FIN> Printer MIB and Finisher MIB Update Message-ID: <3BC1BD0C7E6DD411A13200508BDCC83DA6EBEB@triton.hitachi-hkis.com> Bert and David, I have updated both MIBs per your latest comments and the new drafts have been submitted to the IETF Internet-Drafts site. They should be available shortly. In the interim, the documents are available on the PWG FTP site: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/drafts/draft-ietf-printmib-mib-info-12.txt ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/fin/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-printmib-finishing- 13.txt The majority of the changes are not technical but per your suggestions regarding requirements for the RFC editor. The most significant change is moving the CodedCharSet TC to IANA. We have created this MIB and it is being submitted to IANA. We sincerely appreciate your support in reviewing this document and hope that you can do a quick review of the final results and submit to the IESG for last call. Summary of the changes to the Printer MIB (-11 to -12) 1) Removed Gary Gocek, Harry Lewis, and Randy Turner from the cover page and footers. Move the listings for the above from the "Authors" to "Significant Contributors" and removed the company addresses to be consistent with other entries in appendix F. 2) Added Steve Waldbusser to the "Significant Contributors" section. 3) Section 2.2.13 "...description of each alert..." was "...description of each critical alert..." 4) Corrected prtInputXXX names in first paragraph of Appendix B and C. Also revised this paragraph to reference the PWG Media Names specification [30]. 5) Added a note to prtMarkerLifeCount concerning the need to be a persistent value. 6) Added chSMTP(45) to prtChannelTypeTC. Added reference [29]. 7) Corrected reference to IANA Charset Registry. (reference [4]) 8) Shortened name of Appendix B. 9) Added reference to PWG Media Names specification [30] to prtInputMediaName, prtInputMediaType, and prtInputMediaColor. Revised description and added a reference clause for prtInputMediaType, and prtInputMediaColor. 10) Added the copyright notice to first page. 11) Removed the references to the HR and Interfaces MIB from the Abstract. 12) Added section 1.5 and a reference to RFC 2119 in the Reference section. 13) Removed the CodedCharSet Textual Convention, replaced with an import of the CodedCharSet TC from IANA. 14) Section 2.2.1.1, 1st paragraph: Added text that indicates the CodedCharSet TC is from the IANA Coded Character Set MIB. 15) Section 2.2.5, 1st paragraph: Revised text to reference the Finisher MIB. 16) Section 2.2.8: Added a reference to RFC 1790 and revised the text for clarification. 17) Section 2.2.9: Added a reference to RFC 2863. 18) Split section 10 into sections 10 and 11 for Normative and Informative References. All references have been re-labeled per current IETF practice. 19) Added new language enums 60 to 65 to prtInterpreterLangFamilyTC. 20) Updated the contact information in the MODULE-IDENTITY clause. Summary of the changes to the Finisher MIB (-12 to -13) 1) Moved second paragraph of the abstract to the Introduction section. 2) Removed second paragraph of section 5.2. 3) Added a size clause to finDeviceAssociatedMediaPaths and finDeviceAssociatedOutputs. 4) Split section 8 into sections 8 and 9 for Normative and Informative References. All references have been re-labeled per current IETF practice. 5) Added Ira McDonald to the "Significant Contributors" section. For the PrintMIB Working Group, Ron Bergman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/fin/attachments/20020805/e93becdf/attachment-0001.html From Ron.Bergman at Hitachi-hkis.com Thu Aug 8 14:21:26 2002 From: Ron.Bergman at Hitachi-hkis.com (Ron.Bergman@Hitachi-hkis.com) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:49 2009 Subject: FIN> RE: Printer MIB and Finisher MIB Update Message-ID: <3BC1BD0C7E6DD411A13200508BDCC83DA6EBF5@triton.hitachi-hkis.com> The new MIB documents are now available at: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ draft-ietf-printmib-mib-info-12.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ draft-ietf-printmib-finishing-13.txt Ron -----Original Message----- From: Bergman, Ron Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 2:09 PM To: 'Wijnen, Bert (Bert)'; dbh@enterasys.com Cc: RCasterline@lhsolutions.com; harryl@us.ibm.com; imcdonald@sharplabs.com; paf@cisco.com; Ned Freed (E-mail); 'pmp@pwg.org'; 'fin@pwg.org' Subject: Printer MIB and Finisher MIB Update Bert and David, I have updated both MIBs per your latest comments and the new drafts have been submitted to the IETF Internet-Drafts site. They should be available shortly. In the interim, the documents are available on the PWG FTP site: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/drafts/draft-ietf-printmib-mib-info-12.txt ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/fin/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-printmib-finishing- 13.txt The majority of the changes are not technical but per your suggestions regarding requirements for the RFC editor. The most significant change is moving the CodedCharSet TC to IANA. We have created this MIB and it is being submitted to IANA. We sincerely appreciate your support in reviewing this document and hope that you can do a quick review of the final results and submit to the IESG for last call. Summary of the changes to the Printer MIB (-11 to -12) 1) Removed Gary Gocek, Harry Lewis, and Randy Turner from the cover page and footers. Move the listings for the above from the "Authors" to "Significant Contributors" and removed the company addresses to be consistent with other entries in appendix F. 2) Added Steve Waldbusser to the "Significant Contributors" section. 3) Section 2.2.13 "...description of each alert..." was "...description of each critical alert..." 4) Corrected prtInputXXX names in first paragraph of Appendix B and C. Also revised this paragraph to reference the PWG Media Names specification [30]. 5) Added a note to prtMarkerLifeCount concerning the need to be a persistent value. 6) Added chSMTP(45) to prtChannelTypeTC. Added reference [29]. 7) Corrected reference to IANA Charset Registry. (reference [4]) 8) Shortened name of Appendix B. 9) Added reference to PWG Media Names specification [30] to prtInputMediaName, prtInputMediaType, and prtInputMediaColor. Revised description and added a reference clause for prtInputMediaType, and prtInputMediaColor. 10) Added the copyright notice to first page. 11) Removed the references to the HR and Interfaces MIB from the Abstract. 12) Added section 1.5 and a reference to RFC 2119 in the Reference section. 13) Removed the CodedCharSet Textual Convention, replaced with an import of the CodedCharSet TC from IANA. 14) Section 2.2.1.1, 1st paragraph: Added text that indicates the CodedCharSet TC is from the IANA Coded Character Set MIB. 15) Section 2.2.5, 1st paragraph: Revised text to reference the Finisher MIB. 16) Section 2.2.8: Added a reference to RFC 1790 and revised the text for clarification. 17) Section 2.2.9: Added a reference to RFC 2863. 18) Split section 10 into sections 10 and 11 for Normative and Informative References. All references have been re-labeled per current IETF practice. 19) Added new language enums 60 to 65 to prtInterpreterLangFamilyTC. 20) Updated the contact information in the MODULE-IDENTITY clause. Summary of the changes to the Finisher MIB (-12 to -13) 1) Moved second paragraph of the abstract to the Introduction section. 2) Removed second paragraph of section 5.2. 3) Added a size clause to finDeviceAssociatedMediaPaths and finDeviceAssociatedOutputs. 4) Split section 8 into sections 8 and 9 for Normative and Informative References. All references have been re-labeled per current IETF practice. 5) Added Ira McDonald to the "Significant Contributors" section. For the PrintMIB Working Group, Ron Bergman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/fin/attachments/20020808/bd1f42ae/attachment-0001.html From Ron.Bergman at Hitachi-hkis.com Tue Sep 3 21:30:19 2002 From: Ron.Bergman at Hitachi-hkis.com (Ron.Bergman@Hitachi-hkis.com) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:49 2009 Subject: FIN> RE: Printer MIB and Finisher MIB Update Message-ID: <3BC1BD0C7E6DD411A13200508BDCC83DA6EC1D@triton.hitachi-hkis.com> Bert and David, Have you had any time to look at our new documents? Ron -----Original Message----- From: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [mailto:bwijnen@lucent.com] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 1:18 PM To: Ron.Bergman@Hitachi-hkis.com; dbh@enterasys.com Cc: RCasterline@lhsolutions.com; harryl@us.ibm.com; imcdonald@sharplabs.com; paf@cisco.com; ned.freed@mrochek.com; pmp@pwg.org; fin@pwg.org; bwijnen@lucent.com Subject: RE: Printer MIB and Finisher MIB Update Will try to check them early next week Thanks, Bert -----Original Message----- From: Ron.Bergman@Hitachi-hkis.com [mailto:Ron.Bergman@Hitachi-hkis.com] Sent: donderdag 8 augustus 2002 20:21 To: bwijnen@lucent.com; dbh@enterasys.com Cc: RCasterline@lhsolutions.com; harryl@us.ibm.com; imcdonald@sharplabs.com; paf@cisco.com; ned.freed@mrochek.com; pmp@pwg.org; fin@pwg.org Subject: RE: Printer MIB and Finisher MIB Update The new MIB documents are now available at: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ draft-ietf-printmib-mib-info-12.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ draft-ietf-printmib-finishing-13.txt Ron -----Original Message----- From: Bergman, Ron Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 2:09 PM To: 'Wijnen, Bert (Bert)'; dbh@enterasys.com Cc: RCasterline@lhsolutions.com; harryl@us.ibm.com; imcdonald@sharplabs.com; paf@cisco.com; Ned Freed (E-mail); 'pmp@pwg.org'; 'fin@pwg.org' Subject: Printer MIB and Finisher MIB Update Bert and David, I have updated both MIBs per your latest comments and the new drafts have been submitted to the IETF Internet-Drafts site. They should be available shortly. In the interim, the documents are available on the PWG FTP site: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/drafts/draft-ietf-printmib-mib-info-12.txt ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/fin/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-printmib-finishing- 13.txt The majority of the changes are not technical but per your suggestions regarding requirements for the RFC editor. The most significant change is moving the CodedCharSet TC to IANA. We have created this MIB and it is being submitted to IANA. We sincerely appreciate your support in reviewing this document and hope that you can do a quick review of the final results and submit to the IESG for last call. Summary of the changes to the Printer MIB (-11 to -12) 1) Removed Gary Gocek, Harry Lewis, and Randy Turner from the cover page and footers. Move the listings for the above from the "Authors" to "Significant Contributors" and removed the company addresses to be consistent with other entries in appendix F. 2) Added Steve Waldbusser to the "Significant Contributors" section. 3) Section 2.2.13 "...description of each alert..." was "...description of each critical alert..." 4) Corrected prtInputXXX names in first paragraph of Appendix B and C. Also revised this paragraph to reference the PWG Media Names specification [30]. 5) Added a note to prtMarkerLifeCount concerning the need to be a persistent value. 6) Added chSMTP(45) to prtChannelTypeTC. Added reference [29]. 7) Corrected reference to IANA Charset Registry. (reference [4]) 8) Shortened name of Appendix B. 9) Added reference to PWG Media Names specification [30] to prtInputMediaName, prtInputMediaType, and prtInputMediaColor. Revised description and added a reference clause for prtInputMediaType, and prtInputMediaColor. 10) Added the copyright notice to first page 11) Removed the references to the HR and Interfaces MIB from the Abstract. 12) Added section 1.5 and a reference to RFC 2119 in the Reference section. 13) Removed the CodedCharSet Textual Convention, replaced with an import of the CodedCharSet TC from IANA. 14) Section 2.2.1.1, 1st paragraph: Added text that indicates the CodedCharSet TC is from the IANA Coded Character Set MIB. 15) Section 2.2.5, 1st paragraph: Revised text to reference the Finisher MIB. 16) Section 2.2.8: Added a reference to RFC 1790 and revised the text for clarification. 17) Section 2.2.9: Added a reference to RFC 2863. 18) Split section 10 into sections 10 and 11 for Normative and Informative References. All references have been re-labeled per current IETF practice. 19) Added new language enums 60 to 65 to prtInterpreterLangFamilyTC. 20) Updated the contact information in the MODULE-IDENTITY clause. Summary of the changes to the Finisher MIB (-12 to -13) 1) Moved second paragraph of the abstract to the Introduction section. 2) Removed second paragraph of section 5.2. 3) Added a size clause to finDeviceAssociatedMediaPaths and finDeviceAssociatedOutputs. 4) Split section 8 into sections 8 and 9 for Normative and Informative References. All references have been re-labeled per current IETF practice. 5) Added Ira McDonald to the "Significant Contributors" section. For the PrintMIB Working Group, Ron Bergman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/fin/attachments/20020903/a7fb49f2/attachment-0001.html From imcdonald at sharplabs.com Tue Sep 17 18:44:56 2002 From: imcdonald at sharplabs.com (McDonald, Ira) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:49 2009 Subject: FIN> RE: Printer/Finisher MIB and IANA enumerations Message-ID: <116DB56CD7DED511BC7800508B2CA53735CDA2@mailsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com> Hi Juergen, Thanks for your excellent feedback. Your timing is perfect! Last week, Ron Bergman and I concluded that all type 2 and type 3 textual conventions should be moved into such a separate IANA-Printer-Types-MIB (like the HOST-RESOURCES-TYPES-MIB in RFC 2790). We plan to do this before the next draft - so we will wind up with three SMIv2 source modules for Printer MIB: 1) Printer-MIB itself 2) IANA-Charset-MIB for the 'IANACharset' TC (improved name per feedback from the IETF Charsets Registry mailing list) 3) IANA-Printer-Types-MIB for type2/type3 enums Should we use all uppercase for the two IANA-maintained modules? More recent IETF 'standards track' MIBs seem to do so. We've also identified _one_ textual convention 'PrtAlertGroupTC' which should be changed from type 1 (requires republication of entire Printer MIB) to type 2 (IANA maintained). Because the Finisher MIB had to add enums to this TC several years ago. Else, any more new Finisher MIB object groups would require republication of the Printer MIB (a mistake in our opinion). We will also (per Bert Wijnen's request) insert the 'Prt' suffix into our two recently added localized string TCs: - 'PrtLocalizedDescriptionStringTC' - 'PrtConsoleDescriptionStringTC' (my mistake this wasn't done originally). One textual convention 'PresentOnOff' we plan to leave with the current (original RFC 1759) name and no 'Prt' prefix. Because the Finisher MIB uses it (unmodified) already. And a number of vendor private MIBs import it (I used it in the Xerox enterprise MIB modules for years). Should we fix the name (add 'Prt' prefix) of this last TC? We will also fix every one of the problems that Bert Wijnen identified in his recent 24-page email on 'difftool' output. Cheers, - Ira McDonald, co-editor of Printer MIB v2 High North Inc -----Original Message----- From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:schoenw@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de] Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 4:32 PM To: Ron.Bergman@Hitachi-hkis.com; bwijnen@lucent.com; dbh@enterasys.com; harryl@us.ibm.com; imcdonald@sharplabs.com; paf@cisco.com; ned.freed@mrochek.com; pmp@pwg.org; fin@pwg.org Subject: Printer/Finisher MIB and IANA enumerations I have done some more work on my Printer-MIB implementation and I stumbled over the type 1, 2 and 3 enumerations. Section 2.4.1 says: : 2.4.1 Registering Additional Enumerated Values : : This working group has defined several type of enumerations. These : enumerations differ in the method employed to control the addition of : new enumerations. Throughout this document, references to : "enumeration (n)", where n can be 1, 2 or 3 can be found in the : various tables. The definitions of these types of enumerations are: : : enumeration (1) All the values are defined in the Printer MIB : specification (RFC for the Printer MIB). Additional enumerated : values require a new RFC. : : enumeration (2) An initial set of values are defined in the : Printer MIB specification. Additional enumerated values are : registered after review by this working group. The initial : versions of the MIB will contain the values registered so far. : After the MIB is approved, additional values will be registered : through IANA after approval by this working group. : : enumeration (3) An initial set of values are defined in the : Printer MIB specification. Additional enumerated values are : registered without working group review. The initial versions of : the MIB will contain the values registered so far. After the MIB : is approved, additional values will be registered through IANA : without approval by this working group. So this sounds like all type 2 and type 3 enumerations are in fact under IANA control. In fact, IANA already maintains an informal list for the printer languages: http://www.iana.org/assignments/printer-language-numbers I think the right thing to do here is actually to handle the type 2 and type 3 enumerations in exactly the way you handle the charset textual convention so that IANA can update a proper MIB module which the printer/finisher MIB import. In other words, I propose to move the type 2 TCs PrtGeneralResetTC, PrtMarkerSuppliesTypeTC, prtGeneralReset and the type 3 TCs PrtCoverStatusTC, PrtChannelTypeTC, PrtInterpreterLangFamilyTC, PrtInputTypeTC, PrtOutputTypeTC, PrtMarkerMarkTechTC, PrtMediaPathTypeTC, PrtConsoleColorTC, PrtConsoleDisableTC, PrtAlertTrainingLevelTC, PrtAlertCodeTC into an IANA maintained module, e.g. the IANA-PRINTER-MIB. (I hope I did not mis one.) This way, there is no cut&paste needed when updating to the latest set of assigned values and IANA can use the SMIv2 module identity macro to allow others to track changes. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder From imcdonald at sharplabs.com Wed Sep 18 12:51:08 2002 From: imcdonald at sharplabs.com (McDonald, Ira) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:49 2009 Subject: FIN> RE: Printer/Finisher MIB and IANA enumerations Message-ID: <116DB56CD7DED511BC7800508B2CA53735CDA5@mailsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com> Hi Bert and Juergen, My apologies. Ron has already correctly restored _all_ of the original RFC 1759 textual conventions with status DEPRECATED immediately below each new 'Prt...' TC (so seeing the relation is easy) in his next working draft (soon to be released). Ron had intended to follow Bert's and Dave Harrington's advice not to remove any previously defined (RFC 1759) textual convention. And we prefer to use DEPRECATED (rather than OBSOLETE) because we wish to recognize that implementations or Printer MIB v1 (RFC 1759) continue to be used and are the basis of most OS vendor and tools vendor monitoring of network printers, at present. Thanks to all of you for keeping us straight on SMIv2 best practice. Cheers, - Ira McDonald High North Inc -----Original Message----- From: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [mailto:bwijnen@lucent.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 6:59 AM To: Juergen Schoenwaelder; imcdonald@sharplabs.com Cc: Ron.Bergman@Hitachi-hkis.com; bwijnen@lucent.com; dbh@enterasys.com; harryl@us.ibm.com; imcdonald@sharplabs.com; paf@cisco.com; ned.freed@mrochek.com; pmp@pwg.org; fin@pwg.org Subject: RE: Printer/Finisher MIB and IANA enumerations > Ira> Should we fix the name (add 'Prt' prefix) of this last TC? > > If you think consistency is important and you want people to use the > Prt* TCs,, you can can formally introduce a PrtPresentOnOff TC with > STATUS current while leaving the old PresentOnOff TC with STATUS > deprecated in the MIB. This way, nothing breaks and you can transition > to all prefixed TCs. > As a matter of fact, to better follow the SMI rules, the old non-prefixed TCs probably should all have stayed in the MIB with status deprecated. Or possibly even obsoleted if you want to give stronger message for people to switch to the new TCs. Bert > /js > > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder From imcdonald at sharplabs.com Fri Sep 20 14:30:27 2002 From: imcdonald at sharplabs.com (McDonald, Ira) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:49 2009 Subject: FIN> RE: [Addressability] one more printer mib question Message-ID: <116DB56CD7DED511BC7800508B2CA53735CDAB@mailsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com> Hi Juergen, Oops! Good question. I would say use the Marker row specified by 'prtMarkerDefaultIndex' in the 'prtGeneralTable'. But we sure ought to specify this in the descriptions of the two 'prtInterpreterTable' columnar objects. Right? Further, it's not meaningful (and SHOULD NOT be done) to have different addressability units for different markers or interpreters in the same instance of the Printer MIB, in my humble opinion. Cheers, - Ira McDonald, co-editor of Printer MIB v2 High North Inc -----Original Message----- From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:schoenw@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 6:48 AM To: McDonald, Ira Cc: Ron.Bergman@Hitachi-hkis.com; bwijnen@lucent.com; dbh@enterasys.com; harryl@us.ibm.com; McDonald, Ira; paf@cisco.com; ned.freed@mrochek.com; pmp@pwg.org; fin@pwg.org Subject: one more printer mib question The descriptions of prtInterpreterFeedAddressability and prtInterpreterXFeedAddressability say: prtInterpreterFeedAddressability OBJECT-TYPE SYNTAX Integer32 (-2..2147483647) MAX-ACCESS read-only STATUS current DESCRIPTION "The maximum interpreter addressability in the feed direction in 10000 prtMarkerAddressabilityUnits (see prtMarkerAddressabilityFeedDir ) for this interpreter. The value (-1) means other and specifically indicates that the sub- unit places no restrictions on this parameter." ::= { prtInterpreterEntry 8 } prtInterpreterXFeedAddressability OBJECT-TYPE SYNTAX Integer32 (-2..2147483647) MAX-ACCESS read-only STATUS current DESCRIPTION "The maximum interpreter addressability in the cross feed direction in 10000 prtMarkerAddressabilityUnits (see prtMarkerAddressabilityXFeedDir) for this interpreter. The value (-1) means other and specifically indicates that the sub- unit places no restrictions on this parameter." ::= { prtInterpreterEntry 9 } Which instance of prtMarkerAddressabilityUnits do I use for a given prtInterpreterFeedAddressability or prtInterpreterXFeedAddressability instance? /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder From imcdonald at sharplabs.com Fri Sep 20 19:05:43 2002 From: imcdonald at sharplabs.com (McDonald, Ira) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:49 2009 Subject: FIN> RE: [Addressability] one more printer mib question Message-ID: <116DB56CD7DED511BC7800508B2CA53735CDAF@mailsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com> Hi Juergen, While you're correct that we should define another column in 'prtInterpreterTable' to disambiguate this units problem, that's not very practical. The actual objects (very few) newly defined in Printer MIB v2 have all been stable for four or five years. Several printer vendors have been shipping full Printer MIB v2 implementations for two or three years. The tools all understand the current objects in Printer MIB v2. Adding an object now would be unpopular in the extreme. Vendors - is adding a new column to 'prtInterpreterTable' (the technically correct solution) acceptable? Ron and Harry - I'm personally ambivalent about this issue. Juergen has uncovered a non-trivial bug in the Printer MIB (v1 and v2). Cheers, - Ira McDonald, co-editor of Printer MIB v2 High North Inc -----Original Message----- From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:schoenw@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 5:05 PM To: imcdonald@sharplabs.com Cc: imcdonald@sharplabs.com; Ron.Bergman@Hitachi-hkis.com; bwijnen@lucent.com; dbh@enterasys.com; harryl@us.ibm.com; imcdonald@sharplabs.com; paf@cisco.com; ned.freed@mrochek.com; pmp@pwg.org; fin@pwg.org Subject: Re: [Addressability] one more printer mib question >>>>> McDonald, Ira writes: Ira> Oops! Good question. I would say use the Marker row specified Ira> by 'prtMarkerDefaultIndex' in the 'prtGeneralTable'. Are you sure this is always and necessarily the right marker? Ira> But we sure ought to specify this in the descriptions of the two Ira> 'prtInterpreterTable' columnar objects. Right? What ever the answer is, it should be documented. As far as I am concerned, I would like to see another column prtInterpreterFeedAddressabilityUnit added to the prtInterpreterTable and the need for looking up the unit in some other places just goes away. Ira> Further, it's not meaningful (and SHOULD NOT be done) to have Ira> different addressability units for different markers or Ira> interpreters in the same instance of the Printer MIB, in my Ira> humble opinion. Right now, the MIB seems to allow for it and hence I try to allow for this in my management application... /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder From Ron.Bergman at hitachi-ps.us Fri Oct 11 16:51:53 2002 From: Ron.Bergman at hitachi-ps.us (Ron.Bergman@hitachi-ps.us) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:49 2009 Subject: FIN> FW: New Finisher MIB Draft is now available Message-ID: <3BC1BD0C7E6DD411A13200508BDCC83D01A4A6D5@triton.hitachi-hkis.com> This message never made it to the list. The document is now also available from the IETF internet-drafts. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bergman, Ron > Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 5:19 PM > To: 'fin@pwg.org' > Subject: New Finisher MIB Draft is now available > > A new Finisher MIB Draft has been sent to the IETF. > > The only real change is the movement of the Type 2 and > Type 3 TCs to a separate MIB, which is also contained > in the same document. > > The new documents can be found at: > > > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/fin/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-printmib-finishin > g-14.txt > > > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/fin/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-printmib-finishin > g-14.pdf > > > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/fin/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-printmib-finishin > g-14.doc > > > Ron Bergman > Hitachi Printing Solutions America > >