IPP> IMPORTANT - Proposal to not progress the 4 remaining IPP draft documents and close down the IETF IPP WG - DEADLINE FOR RESPONSES April 12, 2004

IPP> IMPORTANT - Proposal to not progress the 4 remaining IPP draft documents and close down the IETF IPP WG - DEADLINE FOR RESPONSES April 12, 2004

IPP> IMPORTANT - Proposal to not progress the 4 remaining IPP draft documents and close down the IETF IPP WG - DEADLINE FOR RESPONSES April 12, 2004

Harry Lewis harryl at us.ibm.com
Mon Mar 15 22:11:23 EST 2004


Brings to mind a space ship that flew by Earth during the violent 
formation stage and, not touching base again until the ice age... makes 
the assumption it is too cold for anything to be moving down there. They 
may be right in any case... but you have to admit... the process lends 
itself to humorous interpretation. 
---------------------------------------------- 
Harry Lewis 
Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
http://www.pwg.org
IBM Printing Systems 
http://www.ibm.com/printers
303-924-5337
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<carl at manros.com> 
Sent by: owner-ipp at pwg.org
03/15/2004 03:39 PM
Please respond to
carl


To
"Ipp at Pwg. Org" <ipp at pwg.org>
cc
"Carl-Uno Manros" <carl at manros.com>, "Tom Hastings" 
<hastings at cp10.es.xerox.com>
Subject
IPP> IMPORTANT - Proposal to not progress the 4 remaining IPP draft 
documents and close down the IETF IPP WG - DEADLINE FOR RESPONSES April 
12, 2004






All,

I agree with Tom Hastings that the interest for these drafts have 
decreased
dramatically since they were first created almost 3 years ago. I clear 
sign
is that were have not responded to comments from our Area Director 
received
a very long time ago.
It also seems that there is a lack of interest to implement the features 
in
these drafts from vendors, so who would we be writing these standards for? 
I
think we are just spinning our wheels to no effect!

However, before we officially ask the IETF secretariat to kill off these
documents for good, I would like to give everybody in the WG a chance to
comment.

If you or your organization still have interest in pursuing the completion
of any of these 4 draft documents, I want to hear from you on the IPP DL 
no
later than April 12, 2004. This gives you plenty of time to think this 
over
one more time.

If we decide to drop these documents is also means that we can drop the 
IPP
WG as an active IETF WG. As stated, the IPP DL will still remain in place
for discussion of the RFCs that have made it to Proposed Standards or
Informational earlier in the WG life cycle.

If we don't hear from you before the deadline, it will be interpreted as 
if
you agree to close down any further work in the WG.

Regards,

Carl-Uno Manros
Chair of IETF IPP WG
700 Carnegie Street #3724
Henderson, NV 89052, USA
Tel +1-702-617-9414
Fax +1-702-617-9417
Mob +1-702-525-0727
Email carl at manros.com
Web    www.manros.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ipp at pwg.org [mailto:owner-ipp at pwg.org]On Behalf Of Hastings,
> Tom N
> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 1:49 PM
> To: Manros, Carl-Uno
> Cc: ipp at pwg.org
> Subject: IPP> Proposal to not progress the 4 remaining IPP documents and
> close down the IETF IPP WG
>
>
> Carl-Uno,
>
> You asked me to proposed actions about the remaining IPP
> documents that are
> in the IETF standards track, since I'm the editor of them.
>
> After talking with you and others, it seems best to withdraw the 
remaining
> IETF IPP documents and close down the IPP WG.  There does not seem to be
> sufficient interest in implementing these specifications to warrant
> continuing them.  With only one or two companies are interested, it is
> better not to pursue these documents in the IETF.  The IPP DL will 
remain
> indefinitely for discussions about IPP RFCs, issues, registrations, etc.
>
>
> From the IESG ID Status Tracker, the IPP WG has 4 documents:
>
> 1. "Internet Printing Protocol (IPP): IPP Event Notifications and
> Subscriptions", R. Herriot and T. Hastings, 2/21/2003,
> <draft-ietf-ipp-not-spec-11.txt> (Proposed standard)
>
> Draft Name:  draft-ietf-ipp-not-spec-11.txt (WG <ipp> submission)
> IESG Discussion: Available
> Version:  11
> Intended Status:  Proposed Standard
> On Next Agenda?  No
> Current State:  IESG Evaluation :: Revised ID Needed
> Shepherding AD: Hollenbeck, Scott
> Status Date: 2003-02-13
> Note: Revised version needed to address discuss comments
>
>
> 2.             "Internet Printing Protocol: Requirements for IPP 
Notifications", T.
> Hastings, R Bergman, R deBry, 07/23/2001, <draft-ietf-ipp-not-06.txt>
> (Informational)
>
> Draft Name:  draft-ietf-ipp-not-06.txt (WG <ipp> submission)
> IESG Discussion: Not Available
> Version:  06
> Intended Status:  Informational
> On Next Agenda?  No
> Current State:  IESG Evaluation :: Revised ID Needed
> Shepherding AD: Hollenbeck, Scott
> Status Date: 2003-02-13
> Note: Revised ID needed to address discuss comments
>
>
> 3.             "Internet Printing Protocol (IPP): The 'ippget' Delivery 
Method for
> Event Notifications", R. Herriot, T. Hastings, and H. Lewis, 2/21/2003,
> <draft-ietf-ipp-notify-get-09.txt>  (Proposed standard)
>
> Draft Name:  draft-ietf-ipp-notify-get-09.txt (WG <ipp> submission)
> IESG Discussion: Not Available
> Version:  09
> Intended Status:  Proposed Standard
> On Next Agenda?  No
> Current State:  IESG Evaluation :: Revised ID Needed
> Shepherding AD: Hollenbeck, Scott
> Status Date: 2003-02-13
> Note: Revised ID needed to address discuss comments
>
>
> 4.             "Internet Printing Protocol (IPP): Job and Printer 
Administrative
> Operations", T. Hastings, R Bergman, Carl Kugler, 07/23/2001,
> <draft-ietf-ipp-ops-set2-03.txt>   (Proposed standard)
>
> Draft Name:  draft-ietf-ipp-ops-set2-03.txt (WG <ipp> submission)
> IESG Discussion: Available
> Version:  03
> Intended Status:  Proposed Standard
> On Next Agenda?  No
> Current State:  IESG Evaluation :: Revised ID Needed
> Shepherding AD: Hollenbeck, Scott
> Status Date:
> Note: IESG feedback returned to WG 20-Jun-2002; new ID needed
> with improved
> security considerations section
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: carl at manros.com [mailto:carl at manros.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 07:53
> To: ipp at pwg.org
> Cc: Tom Hastings
> Subject: FW: New AD and WG Status Request
> Importance: High
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am forwarding this message from our new IETF Area Director. I
> will need to
> consult with the editors to prepare a reply to Scott Hollenbeck.
> We need to
> do that within the next week or so as I will be leaving for a 3
> week trip to
> Japan on March 20, so please get back to me ASAP to agree on a phone
> meeting.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Carl-Uno
>
> Carl-Uno Manros
> 700 Carnegie Street #3724
> Henderson, NV 89052, USA
> Tel +1-702-617-9414
> Fax +1-702-617-9417
> Mob +1-702-525-0727
> Email carl at manros.com
> Web    www.manros.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Hollenbeck [mailto:sah at 428cobrajet.net]
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 6:37 AM
> To: Andrew Gierth; Carl-Uno Manros; Claudio Allocchio; Donald Eastlake
> 3rd; Glenn Parsons; Hiroshi Tamura; John Noerenberg; Lisa Dusseault; Ned
> Freed; Pete Resnick; Rik Drummond; Russ Allbery; Steve Hole
> Cc: 'Ted Hardie'; sah at 428cobrajet.net
> Subject: New AD and WG Status Request
> Importance: High
>
>
> All:
>
> I had a chance to meet with several of you while at the IETF meeting in
> Seoul last week.  This note is primarily for those of you that I
> haven't yet
> met.
>
> Ned Freed's IESG term as Applications AD expired with the end of
> the meeting
> in Seoul.  Ted Hardie and I are now your Applications area directors. My
> responsibilities will include the following WGs:
>
> EDIINT (Rik Drummond)
> FAX (Claudio Allocchio, Hiroshi Tamura)
> IMAPEXT (Pete Resnick)
> IPP (Carl-Uno Manros)
> MSGTRAK (Steve Hole)
> NNTPEXT (Ned Freed, Russ Allbery)
> TRADE (Donald Eastlake 3rd)
> USEFOR (Pete Resnick, Andrew Gierth)
> VPIM (John Noerenberg, Glenn Parsons)
> XMPP (Pete Resnick, Lisa Dusseault)
>
> I'd like to get a handle on where each of the these WGs is with respect 
to
> the milestones identified in your charters.  Please take a few moments 
to
> clue me in this week by responding to this message (private reply to me 
is
> OK) with a description of WG status, including any open WG actions.  If
> there are outstanding AD actions that you need to have completed, I'd 
like
> to be made aware of those as well.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Looking forward to working with you,
> -Scott-
>



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