[IPP] RFC: Consensus on new "output-bin" values: 'collator' and 'job-separator', issue for "output-bin-actual"

[IPP] RFC: Consensus on new "output-bin" values: 'collator' and 'job-separator', issue for "output-bin-actual"

[IPP] RFC: Consensus on new "output-bin" values: 'collator' and 'job-separator', issue for "output-bin-actual"

Mike Sweet msweet at apple.com
Sun Aug 24 01:39:43 UTC 2014


Ira,

Yes let's discuss the policy on Monday. But don't hold back on sending the registrations...

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 23, 2014, at 3:11 PM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Smith,
> 
> Both of these new values for "output-bin" are included in the latest
> IANA registrations file that Mike sent me on Friday.
> 
> Mike - I assume we should talk about IPP deprecation policy on
> Monday?  Should I wait to send this latest IANA registrations file
> to Amanda until after our discussion at Monday's IPP meeting?
> 
> Cheers,
> - Ira
> 
> 
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
> Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
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> 
> 
>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) <smith.kennedy at hp.com> wrote:
>> Hi there,
>> 
>> Where are we with the IANA registrations for these keywords?
>> 
>> Smith
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2014-07-15, at 1:06 PM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I agree.  All of this proposal looks right (with Smith's clarifications).
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> - Ira
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
>>> Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
>>> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
>>> Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
>>> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
>>> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
>>> Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
>>> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
>>> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
>>> mailto: blueroofmusic at gmail.com
>>> Winter  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094
>>> Summer  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet at apple.com> wrote:
>>>> Smith,
>>>> 
>>>> True about output-bin-actual being optional, so I agree with the proposed tweaks.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 15, 2014, at 12:14 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) <smith.kennedy at hp.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> > Hi Mike,
>>>> >
>>>> > A few tweaks:
>>>> >
>>>> >   'collator'; Each copy is placed in an empty output tray. If all trays are full, the Printer cycles through each of the trays in an implementation-defined manner. The chosen output trays MUST be reported in the “output-bin-actual” Job Description attribute if that attribute is supported by the Printer.
>>>> >
>>>> >   'job-separator'; All of the output for the Job is placed in an empty output tray. If no trays are empty, the Printer chooses an output tray in an implementation-defined manner. The chosen output tray MUST be reported in the “output-bin-actual” Job Description attribute if that attribute is supported by the Printer.
>>>> >
>>>> > Since the “xxx-actual” attributes are only required by IPP/2.2 as per 5100.12, it is at least possible that a printer has implemented output bins but hasn’t implemented “xxx-actual” attribute support.
>>>> >
>>>> > Smith
>>>> >
>>>> > /**
>>>> >    Smith Kennedy
>>>> >    ATB Wireless Architect - PPS
>>>> >    Hewlett-Packard Co.
>>>> > */
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On 2014-07-14, at 3:11 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet at apple.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> All,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> We discussed the proposed values for the "output-bin" attribute at today's IPP concall and have some minor changes to the definitions along with a larger clarification for the "printer-output-tray" attribute.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> However, one of the conclusions may need to change since after further research it appears that PWG 5100.8 did indeed define the "output-bin-actual" attribute as "1setOf (type2 keyword | name(MAX)))".
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thus, I would like to update the definition of the "output-bin" values to be as follows:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>   'collator'; Each copy is placed in an empty output tray. If all trays are full, the Printer cycles through each of the trays in an implementation-defined manner. The chosen output trays MUST reported in the "output-bin-actual" Job Description attribute.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>   'job-separator'; All of the output for the Job is placed in an empty output tray. If no trays are empty, the Printer chooses an output tray in an implementation-defined manner. The chosen output tray MUST be reported in the "output-bin-actual" Job Description attribute.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> That would also imply that the 'auto' value should assign the chosen tray as well:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>   'auto'; All of the output for the Job is sent to an implementation-defined output tray based on the Job Template and Document Template attributes. The chosen output tray MUST be reported in the "output-bin-actual" Job Description attribute.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ....
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Since the "printer-output-tray" attribute is linked to the "output-bin-supported" attribute, we discussed how to report logical trays such as 'auto', 'collator', and 'job-separator'. We decided the following:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 1. Logical trays are provided by the service, so while they will be listed in the "printer-output-tray" attribute they will NOT be listed in the Printer MIB prtOutputTray table.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 2. Logical trays are reported in "printer-output-tray" using a 'type' value of 'other' (1). The values of the other fields are calculated in an implementation-defined behavior (roll-up status, etc.)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 3. The same behavior should be applied to "printer-input-tray" for the "media-source" value of 'auto'.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Comments?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> _________________________________________________________
>>>> >> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair
>>>> >>
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>>>> >
>>>> 
>>>> _________________________________________________________
>>>> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair
>>>> 
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