Ira,
The registration policy for operations is Expert Review, so a full specification is not technically required. That said, we (the designated experts) and the IPP workgroup can require sufficient clarity in the definition of the operation before such a registration is approved, or to require a spec of the scope of the registration is (in the opinion of the WG or designated experts) too broad for a simple registration.
In the case of this operation, we simply (IMHO) do not have enough information to decide.
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> On Jan 14, 2017, at 3:51 PM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Mike,
>> Thanks for those clarifications.
>> I suggest the proposed new operation be named "Get-User-Printer-Attributes"
> to show the authenticated User dependence and the otherwise similarity to
> the classic "Get-Printer-Attributes" operation.
>> I agree that a brief whitepaper is appropriate.
>> I have strong reservations about adding a new operation (as opposed to some
> attributes) simply via IPP WG approval for IANA registration. We should talk
> more about where this operation might be published.
>> Cheers,
> - Ira
>>>> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
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>>>> On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 1:45 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet at apple.com> wrote:
>> Ira,
>>>>> On Jan 14, 2017, at 11:45 AM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Smith,
>>>>>> I agree with Mike that this operation should not be added to IPP System
>>> Service.
>>>>>> I question the need for this operation.
>>>>>> An IPP job service implementation can filter a Get-Printer-Attributes
>>> response already based on authenticated user identity.
>>>> From a practical perspective, Get-Printer-Attributes is never authenticated because clients do not support that usage. So no, we can't just use Get-Printer-Attributes...
>>>> Right now clients need to use Validate-Job (which *is* authenticated for printers that do authentication of print jobs) in order to validate the choices a user has made.
>>>>> What new functionality would this putative operation add to IPP?
>>>> It would be defined as an authenticated version of Get-Printer-Attributes that explicitly filters the values based on the authenticated identity of the requestor.
>>>> _________________________________________________________
>> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer
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