[IPP] Question concerning 5100.7 section 5.2 "Job Description attributes that are defaults for the Document(s) in the Job"

[IPP] Question concerning 5100.7 section 5.2 "Job Description attributes that are defaults for the Document(s) in the Job"

[IPP] Question concerning 5100.7 section 5.2 "Job Description attributes that are defaults for the Document(s) in the Job"

Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) smith.kennedy at hp.com
Fri Sep 8 19:02:54 UTC 2017


No worries Pete! Do you agree with Ira about my understanding?

I'll file an erratum for this in the event that we (some day) handle PWG specification errata.

Smith



> On Sep 8, 2017, at 6:42 AM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler at xerox.com> wrote:
> 
> Smith,
> Sorry about that.  I guess we should have used “inherited” and “overridden” in the job/document attribute discussions.
> Pete
>  
> Peter Zehler
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> From: ipp [mailto:ipp-bounces at pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira McDonald
> Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 5:48 PM
> To: Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) <smith.kennedy at hp.com>; Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic at gmail.com>
> Cc: PWG IPP WG Reflector <ipp at pwg.org>
> Subject: Re: [IPP] Question concerning 5100.7 section 5.2 "Job Description attributes that are defaults for the Document(s) in the Job"
>  
> Hi Smith,
> 
> You got it right.
> 
> Remember first there were *only* Job attributes in IPP (no Document
> object) and much later there were Document attributes.  And the word
> "default" got conscripted into service in admittedly a very different
> meaning (not pre-configured by an Admin but submitted by a Client).
> A clarifying paragraph that contrasts these two uses of "default"
> (i.e., apples and camels) would be a worthwhile errata to this spec.
> 
> Cheers,
> - Ira
> 
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> On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 4:45 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) <smith.kennedy at hp.com <mailto:smith.kennedy at hp.com>> wrote:
> Greetings,
> 
> Perhaps since I wasn't involved in the creation of PWG 5100.7, I'm having difficulty understanding the meaning of its section 5.2 "Job Description attributes that are defaults for the Document(s) in the Job". I don't quite understand how to even parse its title. Does this mean that 5100.7 is prescribing that the Printer MUST use these Job Description attributes' values as the values for the corresponding Document Description attributes in the case where the Client hasn't overtly specified values for the individual Document objects in a Document creation operation? The use of "default" in this context seems different than the "xxx-default" convention from RFC 8011 etc.
> 
> Smith
> 
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