[IPP] Question concerning 5100.7 section 5.2 "Job Description attributes that are defaults for the Document(s) in the Job"

[IPP] Question concerning 5100.7 section 5.2 "Job Description attributes that are defaults for the Document(s) in the Job"

[IPP] Question concerning 5100.7 section 5.2 "Job Description attributes that are defaults for the Document(s) in the Job"

Ira McDonald blueroofmusic at gmail.com
Fri Sep 8 20:13:29 UTC 2017


Hi Smith,

As with IETF RFCs and W3C Recommendations, publicly visible errata
have great value, even if the spec itself isn't updated for awhile.  They
can
documentation of curated and WG approved solutions to ambiguities or
missing text.

Cheers,
- Ira


Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
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On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 3:02 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) <
smith.kennedy at hp.com> wrote:

> No worries Pete! Do you agree with Ira about my understanding?
>
> I'll file an erratum for this in the event that we (some day) handle PWG
> specification errata.
>
> Smith
>
>
>
> On Sep 8, 2017, at 6:42 AM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler at xerox.com> wrote:
>
> Smith,
> Sorry about that.  I guess we should have used “inherited” and
> “overridden” in the job/document attribute discussions.
> Pete
>
>
> Peter Zehler
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> *From:* ipp [mailto:ipp-bounces at pwg.org <ipp-bounces at pwg.org>] *On Behalf
> Of *Ira McDonald
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 7, 2017 5:48 PM
> *To:* Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) <smith.kennedy at hp.com>; Ira
> McDonald <blueroofmusic at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* PWG IPP WG Reflector <ipp at pwg.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [IPP] Question concerning 5100.7 section 5.2 "Job
> Description attributes that are defaults for the Document(s) in the Job"
>
>
> Hi Smith,
>
> You got it right.
> Remember first there were *only* Job attributes in IPP (no Document
> object) and much later there were Document attributes.  And the word
> "default" got conscripted into service in admittedly a very different
> meaning (not pre-configured by an Admin but submitted by a Client).
> A clarifying paragraph that contrasts these two uses of "default"
>
> (i.e., apples and camels) would be a worthwhile errata to this spec.
> Cheers,
>
> - Ira
>
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG
> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
> Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
> mailto: blueroofmusic at gmail.com
> Jan-April: 579 Park Place
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=579+Park+Place%C2%A0+Saline,+MI%C2%A0+48176%C2%A0+734&entry=gmail&source=g>
> Saline, MI
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=579+Park+Place%C2%A0+Saline,+MI%C2%A0+48176%C2%A0+734&entry=gmail&source=g>
> 48176
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=579+Park+Place%C2%A0+Saline,+MI%C2%A0+48176%C2%A0+734&entry=gmail&source=g>
> 734-944-0094 <(734)%20944-0094>
> May-Dec: PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434
> <(906)%20494-2434>
>
> On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 4:45 PM, Kennedy, Smith (Wireless Architect) <
> smith.kennedy at hp.com> wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> Perhaps since I wasn't involved in the creation of PWG 5100.7, I'm having
> difficulty understanding the meaning of its section 5.2 "Job Description
> attributes that are defaults for the Document(s) in the Job". I don't quite
> understand how to even parse its title. Does this mean that 5100.7 is
> prescribing that the Printer MUST use these Job Description attributes'
> values as the values for the corresponding Document Description attributes
> in the case where the Client hasn't overtly specified values for the
> individual Document objects in a Document creation operation? The use of
> "default" in this context seems different than the "xxx-default" convention
> from RFC 8011 etc.
>
> Smith
>
> /**
>     Smith Kennedy
>     Wireless Architect - Client Software - IPG-PPS
>     Standards - IEEE ISTO PWG / Bluetooth SIG / Wi-Fi Alliance / NFC Forum
> / USB IF
>     Chair, IEEE ISTO Printer Working Group
>     HP Inc.
> */
>
>
>
>
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