MFD> Dec 11 PWG MFD face-to-face meeting minutes available

MFD> Dec 11 PWG MFD face-to-face meeting minutes available

MFD> Dec 11 PWG MFD face-to-face meeting minutes available

Ira McDonald blueroofmusic at gmail.com
Mon Dec 17 16:43:47 EST 2007


Hi,

Dave - but Pete only wants to put components (subunits) in Configuration.
Unless, he wants to mix Settings (current values of Capabilities) in there
as well - I'm confused.

And I maintain that Configuration is EVERTHING (i.e, the Default Job
Ticket, etc.), so as an element group term it still needs work.

Cheers,
- Ira

On Dec 17, 2007 12:37 PM,  <david at lexmark.com> wrote:
> I, too, hate our use of the term "subunit" and support the change to
> "components."
>
> I also strongly agree with Pete that I don't want the proposed change.
>
> Components are constituent elements.  Configuration is the relative
> disposition or arrangement of elements.  Therefore, the Configuration is
> made up of Components.
>
> Capabilities depend on the available Components, or the Configuration.
> Settings is a collection of Capabilities and their current state.  (We'll
> ignore Heisenberg's uncertainty principle)
>
> dhw
>
>
>
>
>
>              "Ira McDonald"
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>              Sent by:                  "Zehler, Peter"
>              owner-mfd at pwg.org         <Peter.Zehler at xerox.com>, "Ira
>                                        McDonald" <blueroofmusic at gmail.com>
>                                                                         cc
>              12/17/2007 11:42          nchen at okidata.com, mfd at pwg.org
>              AM                                                    Subject
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>                                        Re: MFD> Dec 11 PWG MFD
>                                        face-to-face meeting minutes
>                                        available
>
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>
> Hi Pete,
>
> I see you what you mean, but...
>
> Be aware that DMTF CIM Core WG hates our term "subunits" and has made
> us completely replace it with their term "components".
>
> "Configuration is" just too inherently ambiguous.  "Xxx" is just as
> meaningful,
> if the intent is to imply components.
>
> Cheers,
> - Ira
>
> On Dec 17, 2007 6:38 AM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler at xerox.com> wrote:
> > Ira,
> >
> > I do not want to see that change.  When I talk to our driver people
> > "settings" is more closely aligned with the default ticket and
> > capabilities.  Settings can be changed by an administrator or End User
> > (often remotely).  A configuration can not be as easily changed and
> > involves the addition or removal of hardware.  There are other mappings
> > (see
> > <http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa507422.aspx>) that are very
> > closely aligned with the PWG Semantic model. Their Defaults & Allowed
> > Values map to Settings.  Their Configuration maps to Subunits (i.e.
> > Configuration).
> >
> > In the PWG Semantic Model the configuration element is the installed
> > hardware for the system or the effective hardware configuration for the
> > service (i.e. the service specific view for the subunits used).
> >
> > Pete
> >
> > Peter Zehler
> > XEROX
> > Xerox Research Center Webster
> > Email: Peter.Zehler at Xerox.com
> > Voice: (585) 265-8755
> > FAX: (585) 265-7441
> > US Mail: Peter Zehler
> > Xerox Corp.
> > 800 Phillips Rd.
> > M/S 128-25E
> > Webster NY, 14580-9701
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-mfd at pwg.org [mailto:owner-mfd at pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira
> > McDonald
> > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 1:40 PM
> > To: nchen at okidata.com; Ira McDonald
> > Cc: mfd at pwg.org
> > Subject: Re: MFD> Dec 11 PWG MFD face-to-face meeting minutes available
> >
> >
> > Hi Nancy,
> >
> > Thanks for these excellent and detailed minutes.
> >
> > A comment on element group naming.  What Pete (and minutes) referred
> > to as a new group parallel to Capabilities and DefaultJobTicket is
> > always
> > called Settings throughout the classes in the CIM model.
> >
> > We will have to add a PrintServiceSettings and PrintServiceCapabilities
> > classes in our 2008 WIMS-CIM modelling work.
> >
> > I suggest changing Configuration to Settings.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > - Ira
> >
> >
> > On Dec 15, 2007 2:54 AM,  <nchen at okidata.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear All,
> > >
> > > The meeting minutes is now available as:
> > >
> > > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/mfd/minutes/PWG_MFD_minutes_20071211.pdf
> > > and
> > > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/mfd/minutes/PWG_MFD_minutes_20071211.doc
> > >
> > > Thanks very much for your participations. We had very fun, witty, and
> > > fruitful discussions in the meeting.
> > >
> > > -Nancy
> > >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > -----------------------
> > > Nancy Chen
> > > Solutions and Technology
> > > Oki Data
> > > 2000 Bishops Gate Blvd.
> > > Mt. Laurel, NJ 08054
> > > Phone:         (856) 222-7006 (desk)
> > >         (856) 222-5148 (lab)
> > > Email: nchen at okidata.com
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> > Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
> > PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839
> > work: +1-906-494-2434
> > home: +1-906-494-2697
> > email: blueroofmusic at gmail.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
> PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839
> work: +1-906-494-2434
> home: +1-906-494-2697
> email: blueroofmusic at gmail.com
>
>



-- 
Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839
work: +1-906-494-2434
home: +1-906-494-2697
email: blueroofmusic at gmail.com



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