[MFD] Re: MFD Schema updated [keep Email services]

[MFD] Re: MFD Schema updated [keep Email services]

[MFD] Re: MFD Schema updated [keep Email services]

William Wagner wamwagner at comcast.net
Mon Jul 20 20:04:23 UTC 2009


Ira,

I would like further clarification what EmailIn and EmailOut. You indicate
that they are used "in the composed services ScanToEmail and
TransformToEmail", which appear to be compound services composed of the MFD
Scan and MFD Transform Services concatenated with one of the Email Services.

I don't mean to discourage inclusion of something that exists, but it would
seem that the Email "services" used in this way are just transports rather
than full services, in much the same way as the various types of fax
services can use phone lines, SMTP, or other protocols as transports.
Similarly, printers often have the ability to pull messages from a email
server using POP3 or IMAP4, which are regarded as transport protocols in
this context, although I guess in your view they would be (part of) EmailIn
services. 

Unless you are thinking of a full email service whereby users can actually
compose and receive emails on their MFP (which I don't think is a common MFD
capability), I am having trouble viewing what I think in practice is an
EMail server supporting SMTP and POP3 and/or IMAP4 as an MFD service.

Perhaps it would help me understand how to deal with EmailIn and EmailOut if
you could show how these services should be represented in  the Service
Interfaces document (Figure 1 in the current MFP Overall document).

Thanks,

Bill Wagner


-----Original Message-----
From: mfd-bounces at pwg.org [mailto:mfd-bounces at pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira
McDonald
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 2:11 PM
To: Zehler, Peter; Ira McDonald
Cc: mfd at pwg.org
Subject: Re: [MFD] Re: MFD Schema updated [keep Email services]

Hi Pete,

Thanks!

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
email: blueroofmusic at gmail.com
winter:
  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176
  734-944-0094
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  906-494-2434



On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Zehler, Peter<Peter.Zehler at xerox.com>
wrote:
> Ira,
> I will add them back in before posting the updated schema to the MFD site.
> Pete
>
> Peter Zehler
>
> Xerox Research Center Webster
> Email: Peter.Zehler at Xerox.com
> Voice: (585) 265-8755
> FAX: (585) 265-7441
> US Mail: Peter Zehler
> Xerox Corp.
> 800 Phillips Rd.
> M/S 128-25E
> Webster NY, 14580-9701
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mfd-bounces at pwg.org [mailto:mfd-bounces at pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira
McDonald
> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 2:00 PM
> To: Zehler, Peter; Ira McDonald
> Cc: mfd at pwg.org
> Subject: [MFD] Re: MFD Schema updated [keep Email services]
>
> Hi Pete,
>
> The services Email<In/Out> in the PWG Job Monitoring MIB
> (RFC 2707) were for first class Email services - NOT for the
> separate Fax service (SMTP transport or otherwise).
>
> The Samsung prototype of Counter MIB had an EmailOut
> service used by the composed services ScanToEmail and
> TransformToEmail - it supported *all*  document formats
> - NOT just image formats like Fax.
>
> Samsung intends to use EmailOut (and probably EmailIn)
> in PWG Counter MIB implementations.
>
> Samsung would to keep Email<In/Out> as distinct basic
> MFD services in the XML schema and model, please.
>
> Cheers,
> - Ira
>
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
> email: blueroofmusic at gmail.com
> winter:
>  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176
>  734-944-0094
> summer:
>  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839
>  906-494-2434
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Zehler, Peter<Peter.Zehler at xerox.com>
wrote:
>> My comments are inline below.
>>
>> Peter Zehler
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: William Wagner [mailto:wamwagner at comcast.net]
>> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:48 PM
>> Subject: RE: MFD Schema updated
>>
>> ...snip...
>>
>> 5. EmailIn and EmailOut are listed as services in the Schema, but I
>> don't
>> recall discussing what they are, and they did not appear on Figure 1 -
>> MFD
>> Services with Primary Interfaces when we first worked up that diagram.
>> What
>> are these services? We have described  them as facsimile services using
>> email (but not IETF fax, which does use SMTP). And if they are fax
>> services,
>> calling them email certainly causes confusion. And what is distinctive
>> about
>> such services so that we cannot collapse them into FaxIn and FaxOut, as
>> we
>> did will all of the other facsimile services?
>> <PZ>My assumption is that these have been collapsed into the Fax
>> services and are simply vestigial code.  I will remove them in the next
>> version of the schema.  We can add them back in if there is a need for
>> them I am overlooking.</PZ>
>>
>> I would appreciate some comments and clarifications.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bill Wagner
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 4:45 PM
>> To: Zehler, Peter; Ira McDonald; mfd at pwg.org
>> Cc: William Wagner
>> Subject: Re: MFD Schema updated
>>
>> Hi Pete,                                        Wednesday (15 July 2009)
>>
>> Here are my comments on 10 July SM/2.0 schema:
>>
>> (1) I like the generalization of Printer[Status/Description] elements
>>    reflected in PwgDeprecated.xsd
>>    - I agree with Bill that there may yet be more to generalize
>>    - Note this boils down to applying IPP to MFD services - Good Thing
>>
>> (2) I like the rework of System
>>
>> (3) I like the rework of NaturalLanguage and Charset
>>    - IETF just approved RFC 4646bis, so a new RFC reference this fall
>>
>> (4) In SubunitStates please capitalize (for consistency):
>>    coverOpen/Closed, interlockOpen/Closed, and other
>>
>> (5) In SubunitStatus type definition and numerous other places in schema
>>    - SPY has jumbled XML comments randomly out-of-line
>>
>> (6) StorageDataEncryption should be StorageDataEncryptionIsEnabled,
>>    since it's a boolean not an enum (w/ default to false)
>>    - see lines 59 to 65 in Subunits.xsd
>>
>> (7) MediaPathStatus should include SheetsCompleted like
>>    ScanMediaPathStatus (though the property's not in Printer MIB)
>>    - What are the semantics?
>>    - Are these Lifetime or PowerOn counters?
>>
>> (8) FinisherSupply (from Finisher MIB) and
>>    MarkerSupply (from Printer MIB) should probably be combined into
>>    ImagingSupply
>>    - in recent MIB walks, many manufacturers list FinisherSupply stuff
>>      in prtMarkerSuppliesTable (where types like 'staple' are defined)
>>    - the advantage of using the common table (among others) is that
>>      Finisher supplies show up in HP WJA and other fleet mgmt tools
>>
>> (9) I like the current ImagingJob and ImagingJobTicket classes
>>
>> Cheers,
>> - Ira
>>
>> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
>> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
>> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
>> email: blueroofmusic at gmail.com
>> winter:
>>  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176
>>  734-944-0094
>> summer:
>>  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839
>>  906-494-2434
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Zehler, Peter<Peter.Zehler at xerox.com>
>> wrote:
>>> I updated the MFD site with the schema version I last sent to you.
>>>
>>> Peter Zehler
>>>
>>> Xerox Research Center Webster
>>> Email: Peter.Zehler at Xerox.com
>>> Voice: (585) 265-8755
>>> FAX: (585) 265-7441
>>> US Mail: Peter Zehler
>>> Xerox Corp.
>>> 800 Phillips Rd.
>>> M/S 128-25E
>>> Webster NY, 14580-9701
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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