[MFD] Dec. 8-9 Face-to-Face Meeting Minutes is now available

[MFD] Dec. 8-9 Face-to-Face Meeting Minutes is now available

[MFD] Dec. 8-9 Face-to-Face Meeting Minutes is now available

William Wagner wamwagner at comcast.net
Wed Dec 23 04:43:12 UTC 2009


Hi Ira,

Yes, access to the DigitalDocument would be the criterion. But as you
suggested, the repository does not have an Imaging Service in or out sense
to it: I need to figure out how to show that in the diagram.

Is there an analogous case for FaxOut and EmailOut?

Have a good holiday.

Bill Wagner

-----Original Message-----
From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic at gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 9:07 PM
To: William Wagner
Cc: mfd at pwg.org
Subject: Re: [MFD] Dec. 8-9 Face-to-Face Meeting Minutes is now available

Hi Bill,

[Just got out of our cars in Ann Arbor for the winter]

When doing job save (but not for proof print), the actual
Digital Document *path* in the Repository is exposed
(that's the difference between the two features).

A saved job can be queried for the path to the DD
in the Repository.

So Print Service SHOULD have an arrow to the
Repository (input and output).

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
email: blueroofmusic at gmail.com
winter:
  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176
  734-944-0094
summer:
  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839
  906-494-2434



On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 2:02 PM, William Wagner <wamwagner at comcast.net>
wrote:
> Hi Ira,
>
> Thanks for your clarifications. However, for item 1 you did not address
the
> basic question about the elimination of the Print Service to Repository
> path. Note also my later message where I suggest that DigitalDocument
paths
> to a repository when there is no intended client access to that
> DigitalDocument are features of an implementation and not a Service, as
with
> the Copy Service.
>
> At any rate, have a good holiday.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill Wagner
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic at gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 1:11 PM
> To: William Wagner; Ira McDonald
> Cc: mfd at pwg.org
> Subject: Re: [MFD] Dec. 8-9 Face-to-Face Meeting Minutes is now available
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Comments inline below.
>
> Cheers,
> - Ira
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 10:27 PM, William Wagner <wamwagner at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>> Nancy and MFD WG,
>>
>>
>> Many thanks for your extensive minutes. However, I wonder about a few  of
>> the Items.
>>
>> 1.     With respect to the comment relative to Figure 2 of the Overall
MFD
>> spec, line 47 in the minutes:
>>
>> o   There should be no data flow arrow from print to Repository – the
> second
>> digital-doc is for job save operation.
>>
>> It was my understanding that that path was to be retained and was indeed
>> associated with job save.
>>
>> Of course, the diagram (perhaps more for clarity)  shows  a two
>> repositories: one that a client inputs to and that provides documents to
>> Services; the other that Services input to and that make document
> accessible
>> to clients. One could argue that Services (other than Transform) that
>> receive digital documents and potentially store them for some later
> action,
>> but not for local client re-access in a digital form should show the data
>> flow arrow back to the “input” respository. In that case, I suggest that
>> Print, FaxOut and EmailOut should shown the document storage path back to
>> the “Input” repository.  Also, although I am a bit shaky on the
> EmailIn/Out
>> Services, I suspect that EmailOut should, like Print and FaxOut, have a
>> potential input from an input repository. Comments?
>>
>
> <ira>
> My two cents - a Repository is generic and only because of the diagram
> is "input" or "output" - there is no abstract difference.
> </ira>
>
>> 2.     Line 51 in the minutes: There is no document ticket, only job
> ticket
>> containing document processing instructions. I had noted not to indicate
>> that a job may contain a one or more Document Tickets. But if a Job
cannot
>> contain any Document Tickets, I wonder where document tickets get
> associated
>> with the documents in a job?
>>
>
> <ira>
> A Job can contain ONLY JobTicket and Document objects.
> A Document can contain an OPTIONAL DocumentTicket (to override
> the JobTicket).
> A Job object does NOT *directly* contain a DocumentTicket object.
> </ira>
>
>> 3.     The resolution of StorageMakeAndModel reference is not noted. I
>> recall a reference to the HR MIB and the Printer MIB, but I can find this
>> object in neither.
>
> <ira>
> In the IETF HR MIB, manufacturer and model are ONLY formally specified
> using the ProductID datatype (i.e., hrDeviceID for the storage element).
> They can be *informally* specified in hrDeviceDescr and hrStorageDescr,
> but those are not machine-readable (i.e., cannot be parsed).
> </ira>
>
>>
>> 4.     Also, as noted in the minutes, there are items that Pete and Ira
> have
>> yet to supply.
>
> <ira>
> Nancy and I are now packing furiously for our move to Ann Arbor
> early next week.  Nancy's brother and family will arrive in A2 late
> next week for a week's visit.  I will have *very* limited time for
> Power Model/MIB  or MFD/SM stuff for the rest of December.
> </ira>
>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bill Wagner
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: mfd-bounces at pwg.org [mailto:mfd-bounces at pwg.org] On Behalf Of
>> Nancy.Chen at okidata.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 10:30 AM
>> To: mfd at pwg.org
>> Subject: [MFD] Dec. 8-9 Face-to-Face Meeting Minutes is now available
>>
>>
>>
>> All,
>>
>> The minutes is now available at the following links:
>>
>> ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/mfd/minutes/pwg-ftf-mfd-minutes-20091208-09.pdf
>> and
>> ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/mfd/minutes/pwg-ftf-mfd-minutes-20091208-09.doc
>>
>> Thanks for all the participants!
>>
>> -Nancy
>>
>>
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