[MFD] Semantic Model teleconference, 3pm EST Thursday 3/22

[MFD] Semantic Model teleconference, 3pm EST Thursday 3/22

[MFD] Semantic Model teleconference, 3pm EST Thursday 3/22

Ira McDonald blueroofmusic at gmail.com
Mon Mar 19 18:58:49 UTC 2012


Hi Randy,

My two cents.

We *always* transform one or more documents into
some different one or more documents.

So - for everything *but* natural language transforms,
we have to keep using the IPP and PWG SM universal
choice of document-format as IANA MIME type.

For the particular named transform(s) for natural
language, script, transliteration, etc., we probably
need new first-class properties that strictly conform
to the IETF LTRU specs (effectively input and output
language tags w/ IETF-approved ornaments).

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
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On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Randy Turner <rturner at amalfisystems.com>wrote:

> Yeah, I was about to reply that I've never seen a mime tag specifying
> natural language...
>
> This was my only issue with the current transform draft - we may want to
> treat "what" is being transformed as a higher layer abstraction, removing
> any concrete mappings
>
> R.
>
>
>
> On Mar 19, 2012, at 10:46 AM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> This needs some major thought and discussion.
>
> The current IETF standards around language tags
> allow description of script and many other dimensions
> besides "natural language" (US English).
>
> I'm not sure of the standardization status of language
> tags on MIME types, but the PWG *definitely* should
> NOT be inventing this home brew.
>
> I'd rather use first class attributes for complex language,
> script, transliteration, etc. transformations.
>
> We need advice here from the IETF LTRU (Language
> Tag Registry Update) WG chairs and editors.
>
> There IS work-in-progress in IETF LTRU WG for
> language tag translation-request extensions.
>
> MIME Types proper should be reserved for document
> formats, NOT for document metadata (like language
> tags).
>
> Cheers,
> - Ira
>
>
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
> Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
> Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG
> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
> mailto:blueroofmusic at gmail.com
> Winter  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176  734-944-0094
> Summer  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet at apple.com> wrote:
>
>> Randy,
>>
>> MIME media types can include parameters; we'd just need to extend the
>> current definitions of the types we care about to include a "language"
>> parameter.
>>
>>
>> On Mar 19, 2012, at 9:44 AM, Randy Turner wrote:
>>
>> How would I specify I wanted a document transformed from UK English to
>> French using Mime types ?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 19, 2012, at 8:52 AM, "Zehler, Peter" <Peter.Zehler at xerox.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Randy,****
>>
>> The rationale for these ops is to enumerate the possible "from" and "to"
>> formats for transformations.  To resolve the "from" and "to" mapping issue
>> one side of the mapping is fixed based on the op.  The formats are defined
>> as Mime types reusing the definition from print and scan.  I am unaware of
>> any constraints as to what a “format” can be since the Mime value is
>> qualified.  The DocumentFormatWKV simple type (PwgWellKnownValues.xsd) has
>> some values listed.  I expect the list to be expanded during the Transform
>> Service discussions.  The “MimeExtensionPattern” permits any valid Mime
>> value to be used as well.****
>>
>> Pete****
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>> *From:* Randy Turner [mailto:rturner at amalfisystems.com]
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 19, 2012 9:41 AM
>> *To:* Zehler, Peter
>> *Cc:* <mfd at pwg.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [MFD] Semantic Model teleconference, 3pm EST Thursday 3/22
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>> Hi Pete****
>>
>> Regarding the "ListInputFormat/ListOutputFormat" operations in the
>> transform service definition...is the rationale for these ops to enumerate
>> the possible "from" and "to" formats for transformations?****
>>
>> ** **
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>> If so, where are these formats defined? And are any constraints as to
>> what a "format" can be?****
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>> Thanks****
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>> Randy****
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