[MFD] Semantic Model teleconference, 3pm EST Thursday 3/22

[MFD] Semantic Model teleconference, 3pm EST Thursday 3/22

[MFD] Semantic Model teleconference, 3pm EST Thursday 3/22

Ira McDonald blueroofmusic at gmail.com
Mon Mar 19 20:33:36 UTC 2012


Hi Pete,

I agree that it's DocumentNaturalLanguage (for the input
and output documents) w/ IETF LTRU-conformance
extension tags for transforms of script, language, etc.

I realized that as soon as I hit Send.

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
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On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler at xerox.com>wrote:

> Ira,****
>
> Would this be different than the “DocumentNaturalLanguage” element in the
> “DocumentFormatDetails” element group?****
>
> Pete****
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> *From:* mfd-bounces at pwg.org [mailto:mfd-bounces at pwg.org] *On Behalf Of *Ira
> McDonald
> *Sent:* Monday, March 19, 2012 2:59 PM
> *To:* Randy Turner; Ira McDonald
>
> *Cc:* <mfd at pwg.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [MFD] Semantic Model teleconference, 3pm EST Thursday 3/22*
> ***
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> Hi Randy,
>
> My two cents.
>
> We *always* transform one or more documents into
> some different one or more documents.
>
> So - for everything *but* natural language transforms,
> we have to keep using the IPP and PWG SM universal
> choice of document-format as IANA MIME type.
>
> For the particular named transform(s) for natural
> language, script, transliteration, etc., we probably
> need new first-class properties that strictly conform
> to the IETF LTRU specs (effectively input and output
> language tags w/ IETF-approved ornaments).
>
> Cheers,
> - Ira
>
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
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>
>
>
> ****
>
> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Randy Turner <rturner at amalfisystems.com>
> wrote:****
>
> Yeah, I was about to reply that I've never seen a mime tag specifying
> natural language...****
>
> ** **
>
> This was my only issue with the current transform draft - we may want to
> treat "what" is being transformed as a higher layer abstraction, removing
> any concrete mappings****
>
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> R.
>
> ****
>
>
> On Mar 19, 2012, at 10:46 AM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic at gmail.com>
> wrote:****
>
> Hi,
>
> This needs some major thought and discussion.
>
> The current IETF standards around language tags
> allow description of script and many other dimensions
> besides "natural language" (US English).
>
> I'm not sure of the standardization status of language
> tags on MIME types, but the PWG *definitely* should
> NOT be inventing this home brew.
>
> I'd rather use first class attributes for complex language,
> script, transliteration, etc. transformations.
>
> We need advice here from the IETF LTRU (Language
> Tag Registry Update) WG chairs and editors.
>
> There IS work-in-progress in IETF LTRU WG for
> language tag translation-request extensions.
>
> MIME Types proper should be reserved for document
> formats, NOT for document metadata (like language
> tags).
>
> Cheers,
> - Ira
>
>
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> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet at apple.com> wrote:*
> ***
>
> Randy,****
>
> ** **
>
> MIME media types can include parameters; we'd just need to extend the
> current definitions of the types we care about to include a "language"
> parameter.****
>
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> On Mar 19, 2012, at 9:44 AM, Randy Turner wrote:****
>
>
>
> ****
>
> How would I specify I wanted a document transformed from UK English to
> French using Mime types ?
>
> ****
>
>
> On Mar 19, 2012, at 8:52 AM, "Zehler, Peter" <Peter.Zehler at xerox.com>
> wrote:****
>
> Randy,****
>
> The rationale for these ops is to enumerate the possible "from" and "to"
> formats for transformations.  To resolve the "from" and "to" mapping issue
> one side of the mapping is fixed based on the op.  The formats are defined
> as Mime types reusing the definition from print and scan.  I am unaware of
> any constraints as to what a “format” can be since the Mime value is
> qualified.  The DocumentFormatWKV simple type (PwgWellKnownValues.xsd) has
> some values listed.  I expect the list to be expanded during the Transform
> Service discussions.  The “MimeExtensionPattern” permits any valid Mime
> value to be used as well.****
>
> Pete****
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> *From:* Randy Turner [mailto:rturner at amalfisystems.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, March 19, 2012 9:41 AM
> *To:* Zehler, Peter
> *Cc:* <mfd at pwg.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [MFD] Semantic Model teleconference, 3pm EST Thursday 3/22*
> ***
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>  ****
>
> Hi Pete****
>
> Regarding the "ListInputFormat/ListOutputFormat" operations in the
> transform service definition...is the rationale for these ops to enumerate
> the possible "from" and "to" formats for transformations?****
>
>  ****
>
> If so, where are these formats defined? And are any constraints as to what
> a "format" can be?****
>
>  ****
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> Thanks****
>
> Randy****
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