[MFD] [IPP] Don't redefine Hardcopy Document

[MFD] [IPP] Don't redefine Hardcopy Document

[MFD] [IPP] Don't redefine Hardcopy Document

Paul Tykodi ptykodi at tykodi.com
Wed Aug 7 15:29:06 UTC 2013


Hi Ira,

 

Following your logic, should we consider maintaining AddHardcopyDocument as
the top level in the SM tree and then expand the model with
Add<RelevantPWGDefinedService>Document at the next level in the model for
each service that can support hardcopy document input?

 

Best Regards,

 

/Paul

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From: mfd-bounces at pwg.org [mailto:mfd-bounces at pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira
McDonald
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 11:16 AM
To: Zehler, Peter; Ira McDonald
Cc: IPP at pwg.org; mfd at pwg.org; Michael Sweet
Subject: Re: [MFD] [IPP] Don't redefine Hardcopy Document

 

Hi,

Which I think implies that I'd like to rename AddHardcopyDocument to

AddScanDocument.

Cheers,

- Ira




Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
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On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic at gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi,

At the risk of adding confusion...

We speak of submitting Jobs with document data by reference (URI)
or by value (attached).  


Why not just add "by scan (local scanner)".

What I don't like about the term "Hardcopy Document Object" is that 
the word Scan or Scanner isn't there, but this is always the source.

Cheers,

- Ira

PS - I dislike putting titlecase prefixes on Document Object or Job

Object - it muddies readability.






Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
 <http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic>
http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
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Summer  PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839  906-494-2434

 

On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler at xerox.com>
wrote:

Mike,

Well, I guess I'll be quiet now except to say it would be a good time to
describe the attributes and constraints on all three types of Documents. J

Pete

 

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From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet at msweet.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 10:14 PM


To: Zehler, Peter
Cc: IPP at pwg.org; mfd at pwg.org
Subject: Re: [IPP] Don't redefine Hardcopy Document

 

Pete,

 

I guess we are in violent agreement.  One comment below.

 

On 2013-08-06, at 12:54 PM, "Zehler, Peter" <Peter.Zehler at xerox.com> wrote:

...

This is the difference between a Hardcopy Document and a Hardcopy Document
/Object/. We need to define the latter and not the former.

<PZ>I see no subclasses of Documents in the PWG Semantic Model or IPP.
Whether a document is added to a Job by value, by reference, or by reference
to the output of the scanner subunit, it is still just a Document object. 

 

I am not suggesting a subclass of document.

 

We already categorize documents as "referenced" and "with attached document
data". For hardcopy documents we would have a Document Object containing
description attributes/elements that identify the source and properties of
the hardcopy document.

 

I chose to call it a "Hardcopy Document Object" as opposed to a "Document
Object with Associated Hardcopy Document Input Elements".  How the digital
representation is stored and when exactly the document is scanned are, IMHO,
implementation specific.

 

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