From thrasher at lexmark.com Thu Mar 22 09:46:39 2007 From: thrasher at lexmark.com (thrasher@lexmark.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:01 2009 Subject: PDM> Test (Projector and Display Management email reflector) of pdm@pwg.org Message-ID: Test Post: If you have received this email two things have happened: 1. The pdm@pwg.org email list is working correctly. 2. Your name has been provided as an initial subscriber to this list. Details on unsubscribing can be found at: http://www.pwg.org/mailhelp.html Jerry Thrasher Advisory Engineer, Corporate Standards Lexmark International Inc. Ph:859-825-4056, Fax:859-232-7628 Email:thrasher@lexmark.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20070322/8a8e13b2/attachment.html From Lee.Farrell at cda.canon.com Fri Mar 23 17:45:36 2007 From: Lee.Farrell at cda.canon.com (Farrell, Lee) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:01 2009 Subject: PDM> ACTION ITEM: WS-Devices applicability Message-ID: <02954887D466F24D9F3FC9F47466DEF008A4EBA7@cdaexchange.sc.rd.canon.com> Hello everyone, At our face-to-face meeting, I was assigned to investigate whether or not WS-Devices would be a possible consideration for supporting Projector & Display Management. The short answer: It appears that it could be. According to the local expert at my company, WS-Devices is primarily a "framework" for web services on devices. This framework would support the discovery of devices that [could have] support for management services. [Actually, it seems that the specification is actually called "Device Profile for Web Services" (DPWS). Microsoft uses the term Web Services on Devices for its implementation of the DPWS.] The Device Profile for Web Services described by Microsoft at http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/rally/rallywsd.mspx "... specifies a lightweight subset of the overall Web services protocol suite that is appropriate for network-connected devices. The Devices Profile prescribes how to use elements of core Web services specifications to enable these functions: * Send more secure messages to and from a Web service * Dynamically discover a Web service * Describe a Web service * Subscribe to, and receive events from, a Web service" So the real issue is that the specific Web Service(s) which would support the desired device management (and alert notification) functions would need to be defined first. Then, WS-Devices could be used to discover the service, describe the service, subscribe to the service, and receive events from the service. Does this help? 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Time: US Central Time (Austin, Dallas) Monday, 12 Mar 2007, 8 PM - 9 US Pacific Time (Seattle) Monday, 12 Mar 2007, 6 PM - 7 Tokyo Tuesday, 13 Mar 2007, 10 AM - 11 Singapore, Taiwan Tuesday, 13 Mar 2007, 9 AM - 10 Agenda: ------ Review of face-to-face meeting last week. There were several files containing good information that came out of the meeting. We should look at some of them. - Minutes - Agenda slides (Next Steps only) - Rick's notes slides (mention only) - Property priorities - Schedule Review of submissions: - Updated PowerStates, SignalSource - Others, time permitting Recent Documents Added ------ --------- ----- !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !! Minutes of Face-to-Face meeting: !! !! ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/pdm/Minutes/minutes_20070320.doc !! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please see the minutes for pointers to several other files: agenda, technical notes, priorities, etc. Telephone bridge details: --------- ------ ------- - US toll-free 1-866-917-7696 - from outside US +1-517-345-1887 - Participant passcode 3524129 # Live Meeting URL: ---- ------- --- https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/dell/join?id=Projector+%26+Display+Mgt+St ds&role=attend&pw=PDM-PWG Note: when LiveMeeting requests "Name" on the first sign-in screen, it wants only your name, so that others can see who is in the meeting. Example: "Rick Landau (Dell)" File storage area on PWG web site: ---- ------- ---- -- --- --- ---- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/pdm rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Mar 26 17:28:05 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:01 2009 Subject: PDM> New file on FTP site Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC05D4FF@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> (Note the "PDM>" at the beginning of the subject line. You can use this to sort email from this group.) Posted a new version of the PowerStates group. 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URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20070327/22b26f96/attachment.html From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Apr 9 16:56:54 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:01 2009 Subject: PDM> Projector&Display Mgt WG: REMINDER of CONCALL Monday PM / Tuesday AM Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC05D577@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> P R O J E C T O R & D I S P L A Y M A N A G E M E N T W G Projector&Display Management Working Group Concall 2007 April 09-10 REMINDER of Concall 2007/04/09-10 -------- -- ------- ------------- The next meeting (by conference call) of this working group will be held on Monday PM (US) / Tuesday AM (Asia), 2007 April 09-10 Time: US Central Time (Austin, Dallas) Monday, 09 Apr 2007, 8 PM - 9 US Pacific Time (Seattle) Monday, 09 Apr 2007, 6 PM - 7 Tokyo Tuesday, 10 Apr 2007, 10 AM - 11 Singapore, Taiwan Tuesday, 10 Apr 2007, 9 AM - 10 Agenda: ------ Quick review of face-to-face meeting for those who missed the last call. There were several files containing good information that came out of the meeting. You should look at some of them. - Minutes - Agenda slides (Next Steps only) - Rick's notes slides (mention only) - Property priorities - Schedule Review of submissions: - Updated PowerStates, LightSource, DisplayCapabilities, DisplaySettings. - Others, time permitting (many groups should be revised for today) Recent Documents Added ------ --------- ----- !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !! Minutes of Face-to-Face meeting: !! !! ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/pdm/Minutes/minutes_20070320.doc !! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please see the minutes for pointers to several other files: agenda, technical notes, priorities, etc. Telephone bridge details: --------- ------ ------- - US toll-free 1-866-917-7696 - from outside US +1-517-345-1887 - Participant passcode 3524129 # Live Meeting URL: ---- ------- --- https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/dell/join?id=Projector+%26+Display+Mgt+St ds&role=attend&pw=PDM-PWG Note: when LiveMeeting requests "Name" on the first sign-in screen, it wants only your name, so that others can see who is in the meeting. Example: "Rick Landau (Dell)" File storage area on PWG web site: ---- ------- ---- -- --- --- ---- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/pdm rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Apr 9 17:08:47 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:01 2009 Subject: PDM> New files on ftp site Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC05D578@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Several new files in the FTP area, for discussion on the next call. ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/pdm/Objects/DisplayCapabilities_v06.xml ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/pdm/Objects/DisplaySettings_v06.xml ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/pdm/Objects/LightSource_v03.xml Thank you, Ara-san. 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Please take a look at this table in the minutes when you are revising any property group. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20070410/e1aac06d/attachment.html From imcdonald at sharplabs.com Wed Apr 11 16:11:38 2007 From: imcdonald at sharplabs.com (McDonald, Ira) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:01 2009 Subject: PDM> IETF MIB Guidelines Message-ID: <811D382F92501D4EB5F748D2BF9EFBB92B9C40@wabex2.sharpamericas.com> Hi, Lots of relevant info is available at the IETF Operations and Management (OPS) Area Home Page: http://www.ops.ietf.org/ Two very relevant documents for development of MIBs: RFC 4181 / BCP 111 (September 2005) "Guidelines for Authors and Reviewers of MIB Documents" Abstract This memo provides guidelines for authors and reviewers of IETF standards-track specifications containing MIB modules. Applicable portions may be used as a basis for reviews of other MIB documents. *** This document was a perennial I-D for so many years, that it got right past me when finally published as an RFC in late 2005 draft-harrington-text-mib-doc-template-02.txt (January 2007) "Template for Documents Containing a MIB Module" Abstract This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB) for use with network management protocols. In particular it defines objects for managing [TODO]. [TODO]: describe what functionality will be managed using this MIB module. It can be good to mention the protocol being managed, and whether there is a particular aspect of the protocol to be managed, or a particular goal of the module. But keep it brief. *** This document looks useful Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.2.0/756 - Release Date: 4/10/2007 10:44 PM From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Fri Apr 13 14:19:08 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:01 2009 Subject: PDM> REMINDER of CONCALL Mon-Tues Apr 16-17 Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC05D5A5@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> P R O J E C T O R & D I S P L A Y M A N A G E M E N T W G Projector&Display Management Working Group Concall 2007 April 16-17 REMINDER of Concall 2007/04/16-17 -------- -- ------- ------------- The next meeting (by conference call) of this working group will be held on Monday PM (US) / Tuesday AM (Asia), 2007 April 16-17 Time: US Central Time (Austin, Dallas) Monday, 09 Apr 2007, 8 PM - 9 US Pacific Time (Seattle) Monday, 09 Apr 2007, 6 PM - 7 Tokyo Tuesday, 10 Apr 2007, 10 AM - 11 Singapore, Taiwan Tuesday, 10 Apr 2007, 9 AM - 10 Agenda: ------ Review of submissions: - Updated LightSource, DisplayCapabilities, DisplaySettings, Thermals (now broken into several groups: Fans, Filters, ThermalSensors, ThermalSwitches, etc.) - Others, time permitting (many groups should be revised for today) PDM pages in the PWG wiki: see http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com Review of schedule and action items. Recent Documents Added ------ --------- ----- Minutes/minutes_20070409.doc Model/Property_Priorities_v03_20070320.xls Objects/PowerStates_v06.xml Objects/DisplayCapabilities_v06.xml Objects/DisplaySettings_v06.xml Objects/property_template_092_20070306.txt Objects/InterlockGroup_v10.xml Telephone bridge details: --------- ------ ------- - US toll-free 1-866-917-7696 - from outside US +1-517-345-1887 - Participant passcode 3524129 # Live Meeting URL: ---- ------- --- https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/dell/join?id=Projector+%26+Display+Mgt+St ds&role=attend&pw=PDM-PWG Note: when LiveMeeting requests "Name" on the first sign-in screen, it wants only your name, so that others can see who is in the meeting. Example: "Rick Landau (Dell)" File storage area on PWG web site: ---- ------- ---- -- --- --- ---- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/pdm rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Apr 16 11:08:13 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:01 2009 Subject: PDM> New files posted to FTP site: display and light source Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC05D5AA@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Ara-san has sent three new files, but unfortunately he cannot make the call today. Please take a look at them, and we will review them next week. ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/pdm/Objects/DisplayCapabilities_v07.xml ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/pdm/Objects/DisplaySettings_v07.xml ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/pdm/Objects/LightSource_v04.xml rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20070416/0c787d2e/attachment.html From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Apr 16 12:37:18 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:01 2009 Subject: PDM> FW: PWG-ANNOUNCE> Formal Vote announcement for Projector and Display Management Working Group Charter Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC05D5AD@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Dear Projector & Display Management Working Group members, --- VERY IMPORTANT MESSAGE --- This message contains the request for a formal vote by all PWG member companies to charter our (Projector & Display Mgt) working group as a formal group in PWG. If your company is a member of the PWG, P L E A S E vote yes on this question now. You should already have received this message formally from PWG last week. PDM participants, you may remember that Lee and I have mentioned several times that we need to become an official working group within PWG so that PWG can publish our specifications. Well, this is it, this is the vote that will determine the status of our group. - Among the active PDM participants, at least the following companies are members of PWG: Canon, Dell, Epson. Please vote yes now. - Among the active PDM participants, at least these companies are in the process of joining PWG: NEC, Coretronic. If you can possibly complete your membership before the voting closes on May 4th, please vote yes as soon as you can. - The other active PDM participants who have not yet joined PWG (Delta, Spinoza, Symon), please start the process moving. If you can possibly join in the next three weeks, then you, too, can vote officially on this topic. - Other interested companies, we would appreciate your votes in this matter: especially Apple, IBM, Microsoft, Sharp, Samsung, Xerox. Thank you for your support. The method of voting is to send an email with a specific subject line to the chair and secretary of the PWG, Harry Lewis (IBM) and Jerry Thrasher (Lexmark), and to me. Please see the instructions contained in the message below. Please attend to this important question now. Thank you all for your support. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 ________________________________ From: owner-pwg-announce@pwg.org [mailto:owner-pwg-announce@pwg.org] On Behalf Of thrasher@lexmark.com Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 14:09 To: pwg-announce@pwg.org Subject: PWG-ANNOUNCE> Formal Vote announcement for Projector and Display Management Working Group Charter Greetings: This email initiates the Formal Approval vote by the PWG membership on a new working group within the PWG to deal with the management of a group of imaging devices that includes projectors and displays. The Draft Charter being submitted can be downloaded at: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/pdm/Charter/wd-pdm-charter-20070411.pdf The voting period will open on Thursday April 12, 2007 and close at 10PM (Pacific Time) on Friday May 4, 2007. Valid votes are: Yes, No, No(with strong objection), Abstain. Any No vote requires that the voter state the reason for the No vote and a description of the changes required to turn the No vote to a Yes. Representatives from PWG member companies are strongly encouraged to submit a vote. To cast a vote, please send an email with the following subject line format: "PDM Charter Formal Vote---" Example: PDM Charter Formal Vote-Lexmark-thrasher-yes No votes MUST contain a reason in the body of the email. Please send your vote to the following email addresses: (Replacing "dot" with . and "at" with @): thrasher"at"lexmark"dot"com Richard_Landau"at"dell"dot"com harryl"at"us"dot"ibm"dot"com Note: The PWG Definition of the Standards Development Process Version 2.0 located at: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/process/pwg-process20.pdf Contact Info. for the Primary and Alternate representatives from PWG member companies will be provided to the working group chair in case "reminder" notices are necessary to meet the voting requirements listed in the process document. Jerry Thrasher PWG Secretary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Recent Documents Added ------ --------- ----- Minutes/minutes_20070409.doc Model/Property_Priorities_v03_20070320.xls Objects/PowerStates_v06.xml Objects/DisplayCapabilities_v06.xml Objects/DisplaySettings_v06.xml Objects/property_template_092_20070306.txt Objects/InterlockGroup_v10.xml Telephone bridge details: --------- ------ ------- - US toll-free 1-866-917-7696 - from outside US +1-517-345-1887 - Participant passcode 3524129 # Live Meeting URL: ---- ------- --- https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/dell/join?id=Projector+%26+Display+Mgt+St ds&role=attend&pw=PDM-PWG Note: when LiveMeeting requests "Name" on the first sign-in screen, it wants only your name, so that others can see who is in the meeting. Example: "Rick Landau (Dell)" File storage area on PWG web site: ---- ------- ---- -- --- --- ---- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/pdm rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Wed Apr 25 14:02:15 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:01 2009 Subject: PDM> Minutes of concall 2007/04/23-24 posted in FTP site Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC421925@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/pdm/Minutes/minutes_20070423.doc rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20070425/fcb54cd0/attachment.html From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Thu Apr 26 14:02:20 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:01 2009 Subject: PDM> New property_template_093_20070425.xml Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC42192C@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> I uploaded a revised property template file to the FTP site. ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/pdm/Objects/property_template_093_2007042 5.xml In this, I changed the tag for the property element to . I hope that this makes the intended purpose clearer. The use of the word "description" for both the XML element and the name of a property was confusing. Also, I added a few words to clarify, I hope, some of the other elements. And I changed the file type to XML. Talk to you Monday. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20070426/77dd214b/attachment.html From imcdonald at sharplabs.com Thu Apr 26 23:48:22 2007 From: imcdonald at sharplabs.com (McDonald, Ira) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:02 2009 Subject: PDM> New property_template_093_20070425.xml [clarification] In-Reply-To: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC42192C@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Message-ID: Hi Rick, Small clarification. In IPP, Semantic Model, WIMS, and the Counter MIB, we changed the property name 'XxxDescription' to 'XxxInfo' (e.g., 'printer-info' in IPP), because there's an IPP and WIMS/SM group of properties called the Description Group (as opposed to Status Group and some others) within the PrintService object and the name conflation was confusing. You might want to follow this more modern PWG practice for your property name - keeping XxxDefinition for your XML template is fine. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pdm@pwg.org [mailto:owner-pdm@pwg.org]On Behalf Of Richard_Landau@Dell.com Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 1:02 PM To: pdm@pwg.org Subject: PDM> New property_template_093_20070425.xml I uploaded a revised property template file to the FTP site. HYPERLINK "ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/pdm/Objects/property_template_093_20070425.xml"ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/pdm/Objects/property_template_093_20070425.xml In this, I changed the tag for the property element to . I hope that this makes the intended purpose clearer. The use of the word "description" for both the XML element and the name of a property was confusing. Also, I added a few words to clarify, I hope, some of the other elements. And I changed the file type to XML. Talk to you Monday. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/776 - Release Date: 4/25/2007 12:19 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20070426/7666c60a/attachment.html From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Fri Apr 27 00:19:39 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:02 2009 Subject: PDM> Projector&Display Mgt WG: REMINDER of CONCALL Mon 4/20 & Tues 5/1 Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC421931@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> P R O J E C T O R & D I S P L A Y M A N A G E M E N T W G Projector&Display Management Working Group Concall 2007 April 30 - May 01 REMINDER of Concall 2007/04/30 - 05/01 -------- -- ------- ------------- The next meeting (by conference call) of this working group will be held on Monday PM (US) / Tuesday AM (Asia), 2007 April 30 and May 01. Time: US Central Time (Austin, Dallas) Monday, 30 Apr 2007, 8 PM - 9 US Pacific Time (Seattle) Monday, 30 Apr 2007, 6 PM - 7 Tokyo Tuesday, 01 May 2007, 10 AM - 11 Singapore, Taiwan Tuesday, 01 May 2007, 9 AM - 10 Agenda: ------ Review of submissions: - Updated SystemController, Thermals (now broken into several groups: Fans, Filters, ThermalSensors, ThermalSwitches, etc.), Lights, Buttons. - Others, time permitting (many groups should be revised for today) Review of schedule and action items. Recent Documents Added ------ --------- ----- Minutes/minutes_20070423.doc Objects/property_template_093_20070425.txt Objects/SystemController_v01.xml Objects/Lights_vXX.xml Objects/Buttons_vXX.xml Telephone bridge details: --------- ------ ------- - US toll-free 1-866-917-7696 - from outside US +1-517-345-1887 - Participant passcode 3524129 # Live Meeting URL: ---- ------- --- https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/dell/join?id=Projector+%26+Display+Mgt+St ds&role=attend&pw=PDM-PWG Note: when LiveMeeting requests "Name" on the first sign-in screen, it wants only your name, so that others can see who is in the meeting. Example: "Rick Landau (Dell)" File storage area on PWG web site: ---- ------- ---- -- --- --- ---- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/pdm rick From imcdonald at sharplabs.com Fri Apr 27 08:40:13 2007 From: imcdonald at sharplabs.com (McDonald, Ira) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:02 2009 Subject: PDM> Projector&Display Mgt WG: REMINDER of CONCALL Mon 4/30 & Tues 5/1 In-Reply-To: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC421931@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Message-ID: Hi, Corrected date in subject line (from 4/20 to 4/30). Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pdm@pwg.org [mailto:owner-pdm@pwg.org]On Behalf Of Richard_Landau@Dell.com Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 11:20 PM To: pdm@pwg.org Subject: PDM> Projector&Display Mgt WG: REMINDER of CONCALL Mon 4/20 & Tues 5/1 P R O J E C T O R & D I S P L A Y M A N A G E M E N T W G Projector&Display Management Working Group Concall 2007 April 30 - May 01 REMINDER of Concall 2007/04/30 - 05/01 -------- -- ------- ------------- The next meeting (by conference call) of this working group will be held on Monday PM (US) / Tuesday AM (Asia), 2007 April 30 and May 01. Time: US Central Time (Austin, Dallas) Monday, 30 Apr 2007, 8 PM - 9 US Pacific Time (Seattle) Monday, 30 Apr 2007, 6 PM - 7 Tokyo Tuesday, 01 May 2007, 10 AM - 11 Singapore, Taiwan Tuesday, 01 May 2007, 9 AM - 10 Agenda: ------ Review of submissions: - Updated SystemController, Thermals (now broken into several groups: Fans, Filters, ThermalSensors, ThermalSwitches, etc.), Lights, Buttons. - Others, time permitting (many groups should be revised for today) Review of schedule and action items. Recent Documents Added ------ --------- ----- Minutes/minutes_20070423.doc Objects/property_template_093_20070425.txt Objects/SystemController_v01.xml Objects/Lights_vXX.xml Objects/Buttons_vXX.xml Telephone bridge details: --------- ------ ------- - US toll-free 1-866-917-7696 - from outside US +1-517-345-1887 - Participant passcode 3524129 # Live Meeting URL: ---- ------- --- https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/dell/join?id=Projector+%26+Display+Mgt+St ds&role=attend&pw=PDM-PWG Note: when LiveMeeting requests "Name" on the first sign-in screen, it wants only your name, so that others can see who is in the meeting. Example: "Rick Landau (Dell)" File storage area on PWG web site: ---- ------- ---- -- --- --- ---- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/pdm rick No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/777 - Release Date: 4/26/2007 3:23 PM From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Apr 30 18:06:28 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:02 2009 Subject: PDM> REMINDER of CONCALL Mon/Tues, Apr 30 / May 01 Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC42193D@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> P R O J E C T O R & D I S P L A Y M A N A G E M E N T W G Projector&Display Management Working Group Concall 2007 April 30 - May 01 REMINDER of Concall 2007/04/30 - 05/01 -------- -- ------- ------------- The next meeting (by conference call) of this working group will be held on Monday PM (US) / Tuesday AM (Asia), 2007 April 30 and May 01. Time: US Central Time (Austin, Dallas) Monday, 30 Apr 2007, 8 PM - 9 US Pacific Time (Seattle) Monday, 30 Apr 2007, 6 PM - 7 Tokyo Tuesday, 01 May 2007, 10 AM - 11 Singapore, Taiwan Tuesday, 01 May 2007, 9 AM - 10 Agenda: ------ Review of submissions: - Updated SystemController, Thermals (now broken into several groups: Fans, Filters, ThermalSensors, ThermalSwitches, etc.), Lights, Buttons. - Others, time permitting (many groups should be revised for today) Review of schedule and action items. Recent Documents Added ------ --------- ----- Minutes/minutes_20070423.doc Objects/property_template_093_20070425.txt Objects/SystemController_v01.xml Objects/Lights_vXX.xml Objects/Buttons_vXX.xml Telephone bridge details: --------- ------ ------- - US toll-free 1-866-917-7696 - from outside US +1-517-345-1887 - Participant passcode 3524129 # Live Meeting URL: ---- ------- --- https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/dell/join?id=Projector+%26+Display+Mgt+St ds&role=attend&pw=PDM-PWG Note: when LiveMeeting requests "Name" on the first sign-in screen, it wants only your name, so that others can see who is in the meeting. Example: "Rick Landau (Dell)" File storage area on PWG web site: ---- ------- ---- -- --- --- ---- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/pdm rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Tue May 1 19:14:05 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:02 2009 Subject: PDM> Answers to SNMP questions on DefaultValue (DEFVAL), status enums, etc. Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC421954@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Several questions arose recently regarding some SNMP conventions that we should follow. I asked a local PWG expert and got the attached answers. All good answers that we should internalize. The questions related to some of the DefaultValue issues that have come up on the concalls, a few details on implementing a counter-reset property, and enum values for status properties. Thanks to Ira McDonald for the expert advice. His answers are edited inline with the questions. rick -------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 18:03 To: Landau, Richard; Ira McDonald Subject: Re: Two questions for the SNMP police. And advice needed. Hi Rick, Inline. Cheers, - Ira On 5/1/07, Richard_Landau@dell.com wrote: > > > > Ira, need some assistance on the following interesting, I hope, > questions, please. All for the projector mgt effort. > > 1. When one reads a pppXxxCounterReset object, what value does one receive? > Even though the property is supposed to be write-only, it would be > bad form to answer NOSUCH, right? So it has a value. Any ideas what > value? Maybe the same as the identified value that triggers it on > write? Or zero? Is there a convention on what value to use for > "reset"? Similar questions will arise when we try to do a FRU reset object, too, I'm sure. > Given that the pppXxxCounterReset object has an enumeration like idle(1), resetRequest(2), resetInProgress(3), the DEFVAL should be 'idle(1)' (because SNMP doesn't permit the semantic 'write-only'), the Manager/Client should set 'resetRequest(2)' which instantaneously returns the set result of 'resetRequest(2)' and then immediately transitions to a read-only value 'resetInProgress(3)' until the operation completes and then transitions to a read-only value of 'idle(1)'. The attempt to write any value except for 'resetRequest(2)' into the pppXxxCounterReset object should fail with SNMPv1 error badValue(3) or SNMPv2 error inconsistentValue(12) (see page 8 of SNMPv2, RFC 3416). > 2. What is the default value for a counter? Or is this an exception > to "all objects must have a DEFVAL clause?" Zero, since that is the > starting value? > SMIv2 (RFC 2578) specifically prohibits a DEFVAL clause on a Counter32 object (see section 7.1.6 on page 23 of RFC 2578). However, a DESCRIPTION clause should specify that a conforming Agent must ensure that a counter begins at zero initial value. > 3. For an enumerated status object, the correct default value is > "unknown", right? > Yes, correct. > 4. Is there a convention for the common enumerated values of a status > object, e.g., > 1 = other (often needed) > 2 = unknown (always needed) > 3 = okay (often needed) > etc.? I am inclined to go with the CIM convention of the first two of > these, other and unknown, as always the same values, even if other is > not present. > The CIM convention of the first two (other and unknown) comes directly from common SNMP MIB usage. And I have never found a legitimate case where both other(1) (meaning vendor-supplied or not yet registered) and unknown(2) (meaning cannot be reliably detected) don't both apply. I consider the Printer MIB in error occasionally omit one or the other. I would NOT standardize on okay(3). It's not common SNMP MIB usage. > 5. In a DEFVAL clause of an enumerated integer, can the value be the > string or does it always have to be the number? > YES - it MUST be the string value - by convention a trailing ASN.1 comment should state the equivalent numeric value. > > Okay, so I can't count. But I fooled you into opening the message, eh? > > Thanks very much for any assistance. Short answers will do; don't > need lots of justification. > > rick > ---------------------- > Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO > Office > +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -- Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Fri May 4 11:25:55 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:02 2009 Subject: PDM> Minutes of concall 4/30 - 5/01 posted to FTP Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC421969@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/pdm/Minutes/minutes_20070430.doc rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Time: US Central Time (Austin, Dallas) Monday, 07 May 2007, 8 PM - 9 US Pacific Time (Seattle) Monday, 07 May 2007, 6 PM - 7 Tokyo Tuesday, 08 May 2007, 10 AM - 11 Singapore, Taiwan Tuesday, 08 May 2007, 9 AM - 10 Agenda: ------ Review of submissions: - Updated Thermals (now broken into several groups: Fans, Filters, ThermalSensors, ThermalSwitches, etc.), Lights, Buttons. - Maybe updated SystemController, LightSource. - Others, time permitting. Roll call: who is coming to InfoComm and the face-to-face meeting in June (Anaheim and Irvine, California)? Agenda items, questions for F2F meeting. Review of schedule and action items. Recent Documents Added ------ --------- ----- Minutes/minutes_20070430.doc Objects/Lights_vXX.xml Objects/Buttons_vXX.xml Telephone bridge details: --------- ------ ------- - US toll-free 1-866-917-7696 - from outside US +1-517-345-1887 - Participant passcode 3524129 # Live Meeting URL: ---- ------- --- https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/dell/join?id=Projector+%26+Display+Mgt+St ds&role=attend&pw=PDM-PWG Note: when LiveMeeting requests "Name" on the first sign-in screen, it wants only your name, so that others can see who is in the meeting. Example: "Rick Landau (Dell)" File storage area on PWG web site: ---- ------- ---- -- --- --- ---- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/pdm rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon May 7 16:13:34 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:02 2009 Subject: PDM> Projector&Display Mgt WG: REMINDER of CONCALL T O D A Y Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC421979@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> P R O J E C T O R & D I S P L A Y M A N A G E M E N T W G Projector & Display Management Working Group conference call 2007 May 07-08 REMINDER of Concall 2007/05/07-08 -------- -- ------- ------------- The next meeting (by conference call) of this working group will be held on Monday PM (US) / Tuesday AM (Asia), 2007 May 07-08. Time: US Central Time (Austin, Dallas) Monday, 07 May 2007, 8 PM - 9 US Pacific Time (Seattle) Monday, 07 May 2007, 6 PM - 7 Tokyo Tuesday, 08 May 2007, 10 AM - 11 Singapore, Taiwan Tuesday, 08 May 2007, 9 AM - 10 Agenda: ------ Review of submissions: - Updated Thermals (now broken into several groups: Fans, Filters, ThermalSensors, ThermalSwitches, etc.), Lights, Buttons. - Maybe updated SystemController, LightSource. - Others, time permitting. Roll call: who is coming to InfoComm and the face-to-face meeting in June (Anaheim and Irvine, California)? Agenda items, questions for F2F meeting. Review of schedule and action items. Recent Documents Added ------ --------- ----- Minutes/minutes_20070430.doc Objects/Lights_vXX.xml Objects/Buttons_vXX.xml Telephone bridge details: --------- ------ ------- - US toll-free 1-866-917-7696 - from outside US +1-517-345-1887 - Participant passcode 3524129 # Live Meeting URL: ---- ------- --- https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/dell/join?id=Projector+%26+Display+Mgt+St ds&role=attend&pw=PDM-PWG Note: when LiveMeeting requests "Name" on the first sign-in screen, it wants only your name, so that others can see who is in the meeting. Example: "Rick Landau (Dell)" File storage area on PWG web site: ---- ------- ---- -- --- --- ---- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/pdm rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20070507/3df5f28c/attachment.html From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Tue May 8 14:10:37 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:02 2009 Subject: PDM> FW: PWG-ANNOUNCE> PWG Formal Vote Results for the PDM Working Group Charter Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC42197C@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> The Projector & Display Management Working Group is a real working group! Ta-da! Thank you all for supporting this effort. I will inform everyone of any administrative changes as they occur. rick ________________________________ From: owner-pwg-announce@pwg.org [mailto:owner-pwg-announce@pwg.org] On Behalf Of thrasher@lexmark.com Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 06:45 To: pwg-announce@pwg.org Subject: PWG-ANNOUNCE> PWG Formal Vote Results for the PDM Working Group Charter The results of the recently completed PWG Formal Vote for the approval of the Projector and Display Management Working Group Charter are as follows: Vote Count: Yes: 8 No: 0 Abstain: 2 PWG Process Document 2.0 Criteria: 1. Met the 25 percent participation (needed at least 7 votes). 2. Met the 66 percent yes votes. (yes vs no) 3. Met the 50 percent of votes either yes or no....(needed at least 5) PWG PDM Working Group Charter Formal Vote passes. Jerry Thrasher PWG Secretary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20070508/6f134c6b/attachment.html From imcdonald at sharplabs.com Tue May 8 18:33:25 2007 From: imcdonald at sharplabs.com (McDonald, Ira) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:02 2009 Subject: PDM> FW: PWG-ANNOUNCE> PWG Formal Vote Results for the PDM Working Group Charter In-Reply-To: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC42197C@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Message-ID: Hi Rick, CONGRATULATIONS! I'll work with you over the phone to copy (not just move and delete) the PDM files into the new root directory '/pub/pwg/pdm' soon. Meanwhile please name your next minutes 'pdm-minutes-20070507.doc/pdf' (using hyphens, because underscores typically disappear in highlighted links) and post them in '/pub/pwg/pdm/minutes'. And please remember to generate and post the PDF version too (a PWG convention for accessibility). Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pdm@pwg.org [mailto:owner-pdm@pwg.org]On Behalf Of Richard_Landau@Dell.com Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 1:11 PM To: pdm@pwg.org Subject: PDM> FW: PWG-ANNOUNCE> PWG Formal Vote Results for the PDM Working Group Charter The Projector & Display Management Working Group is a real working group! Ta-da! Thank you all for supporting this effort. I will inform everyone of any administrative changes as they occur. rick _____ From: owner-pwg-announce@pwg.org [mailto:owner-pwg-announce@pwg.org] On Behalf Of thrasher@lexmark.com Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 06:45 To: pwg-announce@pwg.org Subject: PWG-ANNOUNCE> PWG Formal Vote Results for the PDM Working Group Charter The results of the recently completed PWG Formal Vote for the approval of the Projector and Display Management Working Group Charter are as follows: Vote Count: Yes: 8 No: 0 Abstain: 2 PWG Process Document 2.0 Criteria: 1. Met the 25 percent participation (needed at least 7 votes). 2. Met the 66 percent yes votes. (yes vs no) 3. Met the 50 percent of votes either yes or no....(needed at least 5) PWG PDM Working Group Charter Formal Vote passes. Jerry Thrasher PWG Secretary No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.6/794 - Release Date: 5/8/2007 2:23 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20070508/acdbedf2/attachment.html From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Wed May 9 18:59:30 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:02 2009 Subject: PDM> FW: PWG-ANNOUNCE> PWG Formal Vote Results for the PDM Working Group Charter In-Reply-To: References: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC42197C@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC421990@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Thanks, Ira. Appreciate the sentiment and look forward to the help. - Yes, I appreciate that we cannot move files and break old links. - I'll try to remember to do PDFs in the future. - Hyphens? Is this a new requirement? This will cause a break in the sort order relative to existing files. But, then, so will the name change. BTW, best free FTP client program: FileZilla from sourceforge.net. Dandy. And you can see the underscores! :-) rick ________________________________ From: McDonald, Ira [mailto:imcdonald@sharplabs.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 17:33 To: Landau, Richard; pdm@pwg.org Subject: RE: PDM> FW: PWG-ANNOUNCE> PWG Formal Vote Results for the PDM Working Group Charter Hi Rick, CONGRATULATIONS! I'll work with you over the phone to copy (not just move and delete) the PDM files into the new root directory '/pub/pwg/pdm' soon. Meanwhile please name your next minutes 'pdm-minutes-20070507.doc/pdf' (using hyphens, because underscores typically disappear in highlighted links) and post them in '/pub/pwg/pdm/minutes'. And please remember to generate and post the PDF version too (a PWG convention for accessibility). Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pdm@pwg.org [mailto:owner-pdm@pwg.org]On Behalf Of Richard_Landau@Dell.com Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 1:11 PM To: pdm@pwg.org Subject: PDM> FW: PWG-ANNOUNCE> PWG Formal Vote Results for the PDM Working Group Charter The Projector & Display Management Working Group is a real working group! Ta-da! Thank you all for supporting this effort. I will inform everyone of any administrative changes as they occur. rick ________________________________ From: owner-pwg-announce@pwg.org [mailto:owner-pwg-announce@pwg.org] On Behalf Of thrasher@lexmark.com Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 06:45 To: pwg-announce@pwg.org Subject: PWG-ANNOUNCE> PWG Formal Vote Results for the PDM Working Group Charter The results of the recently completed PWG Formal Vote for the approval of the Projector and Display Management Working Group Charter are as follows: Vote Count: Yes: 8 No: 0 Abstain: 2 PWG Process Document 2.0 Criteria: 1. Met the 25 percent participation (needed at least 7 votes). 2. Met the 66 percent yes votes. (yes vs no) 3. Met the 50 percent of votes either yes or no....(needed at least 5) PWG PDM Working Group Charter Formal Vote passes. Jerry Thrasher PWG Secretary No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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All - recommended reading is the current PWG Namespace Policy in the directory: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/process in the file: pwg-namespace-policy-20060112.txt It contains many realistic examples of the lifecycle of working group documents. In particular, the PWG Namespace Policy recommends the use of hyphens rather than underscores in all filenames because they remain visible when URLs are underlined by web browsers and email readers. Also, spaces are PROHIBITED in filenames, because they're unsafe/unsupported in many operating systems. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.8/797 - Release Date: 5/10/2007 5:10 PM From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon May 14 13:50:46 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:02 2009 Subject: PDM> Projector&Display Mgt WG: REMINDER OF CONCALL today, Mon-Tues, May 14-15. Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC4219AD@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> P R O J E C T O R & D I S P L A Y M A N A G E M E N T W G Projector & Display Management Working Group conference call 2007 May 14-15 REMINDER of Concall 2007/05/14-15 -------- -- ------- ------------- The next meeting (by conference call) of this working group will be held on Monday PM (US) / Tuesday AM (Asia), 2007 May 14-15. Time: US Central Time (Austin, Dallas) Monday, 14 May 2007, 8 PM - 9 US Pacific Time (Seattle) Monday, 14 May 2007, 6 PM - 7 Tokyo Tuesday, 15 May 2007, 10 AM - 11 Singapore, Taiwan Tuesday, 15 May 2007, 9 AM - 10 Agenda: ------ Review of submissions: - Updated PowerStates, SystemController, LightSource. - Minor revisions to Localization, Lights, Buttons, FRUexample, Interlock. - Others, time permitting. Roll call: who is coming to InfoComm and the face-to-face meeting in June (Anaheim and Irvine, California)? Agenda items, questions for F2F meeting. Review of schedule and action items. Recent Documents Added ------ --------- ----- Minutes/minutes_20070507.doc Objects/Lights_vXX.xml Objects/Buttons_vXX.xml Objects/Interlocks_vXX.xml Objects/Localization_vXX.xml Telephone bridge details: --------- ------ ------- - US toll-free 1-866-917-7696 - from outside US +1-517-345-1887 - Participant passcode 3524129 # Live Meeting URL: ---- ------- --- https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/dell/join?id=Projector+%26+Display+Mgt+St ds&role=attend&pw=PDM-PWG Note: when LiveMeeting requests "Name" on the first sign-in screen, it wants only your name, so that others can see who is in the meeting. Example: "Rick Landau (Dell)" File storage area on PWG web site: ---- ------- ---- -- --- --- ---- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/pdm NOTE: Since PDM has been approved as a working group of PWG, the file storage area will move to the root of the working directory tree, to /pub/pwg/pdm... The directory structure will change slightly, also. - Existing files will remain in place in the old directories. - Existing files will also be copied to the new directories. - New files will be posted *only* to the new directories. The migration will occur in the next few days. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon May 14 18:54:31 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:02 2009 Subject: PDM> Projector&Display Mgt WG: NEW DIRECTORY STRUCTURE! Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC4219B5@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> The new PDM FTP site directory structure: top = ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm Please change your bookmarks and other pointers to this new root directory. Directories within pdm and their contents: charter as it says, the charter document minutes as it says, minutes of meetings objects technical descriptions of objects: groups, tables, properties related other related standards and documents schemas the web service schemata, when we develop them slides presentation slides wd working documents other than the objects and schemas white white papers, membership, FAQs, and similar docs Please take a few minutes to browse the new structure and become familiar with what documents are in what directory. Also, there will, in the very near future, be some slight changes in document naming. For instance, PWG has requested that we use hyphens rather than underscores in filenames, because they are more visible if the name is underlined by a browser. For instance, here are pointers to the new documents this week. Note that they are all in the new directory structure (but not yet in the new naming convention). ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/Buttons_v02.xml ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/FRUexample_v02.xml ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/Interlocks_v12.xml ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/Lights_v03.xml ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/Localization_v02.xml ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/PowerStates_v07.xml Hope to talk to you soon. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This new site is a wiki for the Printer Working Group that we maintain in http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com Please read the information in the wiki about our group and about PWG in general. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20070514/ba5c1bef/attachment.html From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon May 21 12:37:20 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:02 2009 Subject: PDM> Mintes of concall May 14-15 Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC4219E2@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Posted in the FTP area. ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/minutes/minutes-20070514.doc Note that this is the NEW ftp area for all working group documents. 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URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20070521/a1cd985a/attachment.html From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon May 21 15:00:21 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:02 2009 Subject: PDM> Projector&Display Mgt WG: REMINDER OF CONCALL TODAY May 21-22 Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC4219E5@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> P R O J E C T O R & D I S P L A Y M A N A G E M E N T W G Projector & Display Management Working Group conference call 2007 May 21-22 REMINDER of Concall 2007/05/21-22 -------- -- ------- ------------- The next meeting (by conference call) of this working group will be held on Monday PM (US) / Tuesday AM (Asia), 2007 May 21-22. Time: US Central Time (Austin, Dallas) Monday, 21 May 2007, 8 PM - 9 US Pacific Time (Seattle) Monday, 21 May 2007, 6 PM - 7 Tokyo Tuesday, 22 May 2007, 10 AM - 11 Singapore, Taiwan Tuesday, 22 May 2007, 9 AM - 10 Agenda: ------ Review of submissions: - Updated PowerStates, SystemController, LightSource. - Minor revisions to Buttons, FRUexample, ResettableCounterExample. - Others, time permitting. Roll call: who is coming to InfoComm and the face-to-face meeting in June (Anaheim and Irvine, California)? What are we going to put in our recruiting brochure for InfoComm? Agenda items, questions for F2F meeting. Review of schedule and action items. Recent Documents Added ------ --------- ----- Minutes/minutes_20070514.doc Objects/Buttons_vXX.xml Telephone bridge details: --------- ------ ------- - US toll-free 1-866-917-7696 - from outside US +1-517-345-1887 - Participant passcode 3524129 # Live Meeting URL: ---- ------- --- https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/dell/join?id=Projector+%26+Display+Mgt+St ds&role=attend&pw=PDM-PWG Note: when LiveMeeting requests "Name" on the first sign-in screen, it wants only your name, so that others can see who is in the meeting. Example: "Rick Landau (Dell)" File storage area on PWG web site: ---- ------- ---- -- --- --- ---- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm N E W N E W N E W N E W N E W N E W NOTE: Since PDM has been approved as a working group of PWG, the file storage area HAS MOVED to the root of the working directory tree, to /pub/pwg/pdm... The directory structure will change slightly, also. - Existing files will remain in place in the old directories. - Existing files have been copied to the new directories. - New files will be posted *only* to the new directories. Please take a look at the new directory structure. PDM WIKI on the PWG Wiki Site: --- ---- -- --- --- ---- ---- http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/Projector+%26+Display+Management N E W N E W N E W N E W N E W N E W Please take a look at the page, and bookmark it. And edit it if you see something wrong or want to include additional information. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon May 21 18:44:09 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:02 2009 Subject: PDM> Collection of syntax rules and guildelines for XML property definitions. Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC4219EB@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Rough first draft, after collecting a number of statements from old minutes and templates. ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/wd/SyntaxRules_v01.doc Note that this file is in the new, official directory tree (/pub/pwg/pdm) and it is in the wd directory (for "working documents"). Please take a look. Suggest anything that you have heard but you don't see here. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20070521/46cc0cdc/attachment.html From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Tue May 22 18:01:48 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:02 2009 Subject: PDM> Projector&Display Mgt WG: Question on dates and locations for fall 2007 meetings. Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC421A01@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Everyone: Question: can we align the Projector & Display Mgt WG meetings with the PWG quarterly meetings? That is, can we adjust our future face-to-face meeting schedule to be in the same city and overlapping days? The Printer Working Group meets quarterly in various cities. The PWG meetings in the fall this year are - September, week of 10-14, probably Mon-Tues, Montreal, CA. - December 13-14, Thurs-Fri, Austin, TX. The September PWG meeting is just three months after our June meeting, so that seems like good timing. Montreal is only a short hop from Toronto, and I believe that one can get to Toronto from almost any international city, for instance Tokyo. Is this a reasonable place and time? I think we could have PDM working sessions during the end of the PWG meeting Tuesday, and then continue the PDM meeting Wednesday by ourselves at the same site or nearby. The December PWG meeting is being hosted by me here at Dell on Thursday-Friday. I have also reserved our conference center for Wednesday, so the PDM meetings could run Wednesday and part of Thursday and even into Friday if needed, all in the same location. There is a real advantage in efficiency of scheduling, I think. It's good to know the dates in advance so we can make reservations early. On the other hand, if Montreal is not a desirable location, that might cause a problem for some of us. Please send me votes on these two possible schedules: ___ Yes, Montreal is okay. ___ No, Montreal is not okay. How about ______________ (specify). ___ Yes, Austin is okay. (We have already discussed this and tentatively decided that Austin is a good site, a short hop from the major international airports in Dallas and Houston.) ___ No, Austin is not okay. How about _______________ (specify). RSVP. Thank you. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20070522/444e4e46/attachment.html From imcdonald at sharplabs.com Wed May 23 12:01:00 2007 From: imcdonald at sharplabs.com (McDonald, Ira) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:02 2009 Subject: PDM> Projector&Display Mgt WG: Question on dates and locations for fall 2007 meetings. In-Reply-To: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC421A01@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Message-ID: Hi, IMPORTANT - the correct September dates are: Monday to Wednesday 10-12 September - Linux Foundation Printing Summit Thursday Morning 13 September - Joint Plenary IEEE-ISTO PWG and Printing Summit Thursday Afternoon to Friday 13-14 September - PWG working group meetings In order for PDM to have an extended meeting (longer than a few hours), PDM WG would have to meet earlier in the week _separately_ from the PWG. And I need to know very soon, because I'm currently working with Polytechnique Montreal to arrange meeting rooms (on behalf of both PWG and Linux Foundation). Our contact in Montreal (Louis Desjardins) is presenting our meeting room requirements to the Polytechnique this week, so we need to know if we need another meeting room early in the week. Cheers, - Ira (Chair, Linux Foundation Open Printing WG) Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pdm@pwg.org [mailto:owner-pdm@pwg.org]On Behalf Of Richard_Landau@Dell.com Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 5:02 PM To: pdm@pwg.org Subject: PDM> Projector&Display Mgt WG: Question on dates and locations for fall 2007 meetings. Everyone: Question: can we align the Projector & Display Mgt WG meetings with the PWG quarterly meetings? That is, can we adjust our future face-to-face meeting schedule to be in the same city and overlapping days? The Printer Working Group meets quarterly in various cities. The PWG meetings in the fall this year are - September, week of 10-14, probably Mon-Tues, Montreal, CA. - December 13-14, Thurs-Fri, Austin, TX. The September PWG meeting is just three months after our June meeting, so that seems like good timing. Montreal is only a short hop from Toronto, and I believe that one can get to Toronto from almost any international city, for instance Tokyo. Is this a reasonable place and time? I think we could have PDM working sessions during the end of the PWG meeting Tuesday, and then continue the PDM meeting Wednesday by ourselves at the same site or nearby. The December PWG meeting is being hosted by me here at Dell on Thursday-Friday. I have also reserved our conference center for Wednesday, so the PDM meetings could run Wednesday and part of Thursday and even into Friday if needed, all in the same location. There is a real advantage in efficiency of scheduling, I think. It's good to know the dates in advance so we can make reservations early. On the other hand, if Montreal is not a desirable location, that might cause a problem for some of us. Please send me votes on these two possible schedules: ___ Yes, Montreal is okay. ___ No, Montreal is not okay. How about ______________ (specify). ___ Yes, Austin is okay. (We have already discussed this and tentatively decided that Austin is a good site, a short hop from the major international airports in Dallas and Houston.) ___ No, Austin is not okay. How about _______________ (specify). RSVP. Thank you. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/815 - Release Date: 5/22/2007 3:49 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20070523/42f1c76a/attachment.html From ReRogers at SYMON.com Thu May 24 16:33:58 2007 From: ReRogers at SYMON.com (Raymond Rogers) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:02 2009 Subject: PDM> Projector&Display Mgt WG: Question on dates and locations for fall 2007 meetings. In-Reply-To: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC421A01@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> References: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC421A01@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Message-ID: These dates and location seem to be ok. For me it is more about what fire I'm putting out at the time. Regards, Raymond Rogers Symon Communications, Inc. (972)543-9586 From: owner-pdm@pwg.org [mailto:owner-pdm@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Richard_Landau@Dell.com Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 5:02 PM To: pdm@pwg.org Subject: PDM> Projector&Display Mgt WG: Question on dates and locations for fall 2007 meetings. Everyone: Question: can we align the Projector & Display Mgt WG meetings with the PWG quarterly meetings? That is, can we adjust our future face-to-face meeting schedule to be in the same city and overlapping days? The Printer Working Group meets quarterly in various cities. The PWG meetings in the fall this year are - September, week of 10-14, probably Mon-Tues, Montreal, CA. - December 13-14, Thurs-Fri, Austin, TX. The September PWG meeting is just three months after our June meeting, so that seems like good timing. Montreal is only a short hop from Toronto, and I believe that one can get to Toronto from almost any international city, for instance Tokyo. Is this a reasonable place and time? I think we could have PDM working sessions during the end of the PWG meeting Tuesday, and then continue the PDM meeting Wednesday by ourselves at the same site or nearby. The December PWG meeting is being hosted by me here at Dell on Thursday-Friday. I have also reserved our conference center for Wednesday, so the PDM meetings could run Wednesday and part of Thursday and even into Friday if needed, all in the same location. There is a real advantage in efficiency of scheduling, I think. It's good to know the dates in advance so we can make reservations early. On the other hand, if Montreal is not a desirable location, that might cause a problem for some of us. Please send me votes on these two possible schedules: _X_ Yes, Montreal is okay. ___ No, Montreal is not okay. How about ______________ (specify). _X_ Yes, Austin is okay. (We have already discussed this and tentatively decided that Austin is a good site, a short hop from the major international airports in Dallas and Houston.) ___ No, Austin is not okay. How about _______________ (specify). RSVP. Thank you. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 Notice of Confidentiality: This transmission contains information that may be confidential and that may also be privileged. Unless you are the intended recipient of the message (or authorized to receive it for the intended recipient) you may not copy, forward, or otherwise use it, or disclose its contents to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify us immediately and delete it from your system. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20070524/433baacc/attachment.html From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon May 28 20:51:43 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:02 2009 Subject: PDM> Projector&Display Mgt WG: REMINDER - NO CONCALL TODAY! Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC421A20@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> It's a national holiday in the US. Have a nice day. Talk to you next week. More mail later. Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20070528/29eb7557/attachment.html From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Wed May 30 17:01:11 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:02 2009 Subject: PDM> Outline for InfoComm recruiting brochure Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC421A40@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Uploaded a fun file to the FTP area: proposed contents for the brochure we will use at InfoComm to advertise and to recruit new members. ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/white/recruiting-brochure-for-infocomm-out line-v00.doc There is probably too much material, and it is probably not in the right order. Please take a look at the outline and suggest - what stays - what goes - in what order This should be on our agenda for the next call. Thanks. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20070530/942bcc79/attachment.html From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Fri Jun 1 17:35:34 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:02 2009 Subject: PDM> Projector&Display Mgt WG: MINUTES of concall 5/21-22, in FTP area. Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC421A59@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Posted the minutes from the last call. 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Time: US Central Time (Austin, Dallas) Monday, 04 Jun 2007, 8 PM - 9 US Pacific Time (Seattle) Monday, 04 Jun 2007, 6 PM - 7 Tokyo Tuesday, 05 Jun 2007, 10 AM - 11 Singapore, Taiwan Tuesday, 05 Jun 2007, 9 AM - 10 Agenda: ------ Review and edit the tentative outline for the InfoComm brochure. - Prioritize sections and ideas. - It's probably too long. Remove some sections? - Get volunteers to write some sections or draw some pictures. Roll call: who is coming to InfoComm and the face-to-face meeting in June (Anaheim and Irvine, California)? Agenda items, questions for F2F meeting. Review of schedule and action items. Recent Documents Added ------ --------- ----- Minutes/minutes_20070521.doc Telephone bridge details: --------- ------ ------- - US toll-free 1-866-917-7696 - from outside US +1-517-345-1887 - Participant passcode 3524129 # Live Meeting URL: ---- ------- --- https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/dell/join?id=Projector+%26+Display+Mgt+St ds&role=attend&pw=PDM-PWG Note: when LiveMeeting requests "Name" on the first sign-in screen, it wants only your name, so that others can see who is in the meeting. Example: "Rick Landau (Dell)" File storage area on PWG web site: ---- ------- ---- -- --- --- ---- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm N E W N E W N E W N E W N E W N E W NOTE: Since PDM has been approved as a working group of PWG, the file storage area HAS MOVED to the root of the working directory tree, to /pub/pwg/pdm... The directory structure will change slightly, also. - Existing files will remain in place in the old directories. - Existing files have been copied to the new directories. - New files will be posted *only* to the new directories. Please take a look at the new directory structure. PDM WIKI on the PWG Wiki Site: --- ---- -- --- --- ---- ---- http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/Projector+%26+Display+Management N E W N E W N E W N E W N E W N E W Please take a look at the page, and bookmark it. And edit it if you see something wrong or want to include additional information. ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Sun Jun 10 17:22:02 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:02 2009 Subject: PDM> Projector&Display Mgt WG: REMINDER OF CONCALL Monday-Tuesday Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC421A8A@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> P R O J E C T O R & D I S P L A Y M A N A G E M E N T W G Projector & Display Management Working Group conference call 2007 June 11-12 REMINDER of Concall 2007/06/11-12 -------- -- ------- ------------- The next meeting (by conference call) of this working group will be held on Monday PM (US) / Tuesday AM (Asia), 2007 June 11-12. Time: US Central Time (Austin, Dallas) Monday, 11 Jun 2007, 8 PM - 9 US Pacific Time (Seattle) Monday, 11 Jun 2007, 6 PM - 7 Tokyo Tuesday, 12 Jun 2007, 10 AM - 11 Singapore, Taiwan Tuesday, 12 Jun 2007, 9 AM - 10 Agenda: ------ Review and edit the tentative text and layout for the InfoComm brochure. Roll call: who is coming to InfoComm and the face-to-face meeting in June (Anaheim and Irvine, California)? Agenda items, questions for F2F meeting. Review of schedule and action items. Telephone bridge details: --------- ------ ------- - US toll-free 1-866-917-7696 - from outside US +1-517-345-1887 - Participant passcode 3524129 # Live Meeting URL: ---- ------- --- https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/dell/join?id=Projector+%26+Display+Mgt+St ds&role=attend&pw=PDM-PWG Note: when LiveMeeting requests "Name" on the first sign-in screen, it wants only your name, so that others can see who is in the meeting. Example: "Rick Landau (Dell)" File storage area on PWG web site: ---- ------- ---- -- --- --- ---- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm N E W N E W N E W N E W N E W N E W NOTE: Since PDM has been approved as a working group of PWG, the file storage area HAS MOVED to the root of the working directory tree, to /pub/pwg/pdm... The directory structure will change slightly, also. - Existing files will remain in place in the old directories. - Existing files have been copied to the new directories. - New files will be posted *only* to the new directories. Please take a look at the new directory structure. PDM WIKI on the PWG Wiki Site: --- ---- -- --- --- ---- ---- http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/Projector+%26+Display+Management N E W N E W N E W N E W N E W N E W Please take a look at the page, and bookmark it. And edit it if you see something wrong or want to include additional information. From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Sun Jun 10 19:19:53 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:02 2009 Subject: PDM> Possible draft layouts for recruiting brochure Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC421A8B@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> P l e a s e take a look at these possible layouts for the recruiting brochure for InfoComm. ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/white/brochure-crude-layout.ppt To be discussed on the concall tonight/tomorrow, I hope. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you have any additional items, please send me an email and I'll include them, too. ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/wd/pdm-200706-f2f-agenda-from-wiki.pdf See you in a couple days in sunny California! rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/854 - Release Date: 6/19/2007 1:12 PM From imcdonald at sharplabs.com Tue Jun 19 13:21:00 2007 From: imcdonald at sharplabs.com (McDonald, Ira) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:02 2009 Subject: PDM> [corrected URLs] Slightly improved SyntaxRules doc In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, OOPS - below are the correct URLs - forgot to edit the paths (objects --> wd): ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/wd/SyntaxRules_v02.doc - Monday 18 June ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/wd/SyntaxRules_v03.doc - Tuesday 19 June Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pdm@pwg.org [mailto:owner-pdm@pwg.org]On Behalf Of McDonald, Ira Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 11:38 AM To: Richard_Landau@Dell.com; pdm@pwg.org Subject: RE: PDM> Slightly improved SyntaxRules doc Hi, Correct URLs (for both recent versions): ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/SyntaxRules_v02.doc - Monday 18 June ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/SyntaxRules_v03.doc - Tuesday 19 June Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pdm@pwg.org [mailto:owner-pdm@pwg.org]On Behalf Of Richard_Landau@Dell.com Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 12:18 PM To: pdm@pwg.org Subject: PDM> Slightly improved SyntaxRules doc Uploaded to the ftp site: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/SyntaxRules_v02.doc rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/854 - Release Date: 6/19/2007 1:12 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.1/854 - Release Date: 6/19/2007 1:12 PM From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Jun 25 16:49:55 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:02 2009 Subject: PDM> Projector&Display Mgt WG: REMINDER OF CONCALL June 25-26 Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC421ACF@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> P R O J E C T O R & D I S P L A Y M A N A G E M E N T W G Projector & Display Management Working Group conference call 2007 June 25-26 REMINDER of Concall 2007/06/25-26 -------- -- ------- ------------- The next meeting (by conference call) of this working group will be held on Monday PM (US) / Tuesday AM (Asia), 2007 June 25-26. Time: US Central Time (Austin, Dallas) Monday, 25 Jun 2007, 8 PM - 9 US Pacific Time (Seattle) Monday, 25 Jun 2007, 6 PM - 7 Tokyo Tuesday, 26 Jun 2007, 10 AM - 11 Singapore, Taiwan Tuesday, 26 Jun 2007, 9 AM - 10 Agenda: ------ What happened at the F2F meeting last week? What happened at the InfoComm trade show last week? Groups being defined and yet to be done: - Group priorities and schedules. - Review priorities of properties within groups. - Read the wd/Group-status-v03.xls document on the FTP. Review of schedule and action items. Recent Documents Added ------ --------- ----- wd/Group-status-v03.xls wd/SyntaxRules_v03.doc white/faqs.pdf Telephone bridge details: --------- ------ ------- - US toll-free 1-866-917-7696 - from outside US +1-517-345-1887 - Participant passcode 3524129 # Live Meeting URL: ---- ------- --- https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/dell/join?id=Projector+%26+Display+Mgt+St ds&role=attend&pw=PDM-PWG Note: when LiveMeeting requests "Name" on the first sign-in screen, it wants only your name, so that others can see who is in the meeting. Example: "Rick Landau (Dell)" File storage area on PWG web site: ---- ------- ---- -- --- --- ---- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm N E W NOTE: Since PDM has been approved as a working group of PWG, the file storage area HAS MOVED to the root of the working directory tree, to /pub/pwg/pdm... The directory structure will change slightly, also. - Existing files will remain in place in the old directories. - Existing files have been copied to the new directories. - New files will be posted *only* to the new directories. Please take a look at the new directory structure. PDM WIKI on the PWG Wiki Site: --- ---- -- --- --- ---- ---- http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/Projector+%26+Display+Management N E W N E W N E W N E W N E W N E W Please take a look at the page, and bookmark it. And edit it if you see something wrong or want to include additional information. ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Jun 25 17:02:20 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:02 2009 Subject: PDM> New docs on the FTP site Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC421AD0@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> This one is particularly important: group priorities and mandatory/optional lists. ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/wd/Group-status-v03.xls Other revisions: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/wd/ProjectorSubunitsAndContents_revised_v0 4.ppt ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/wd/SyntaxRules_v03.doc ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/wd/Property_priorities_condensed_v03.xls rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/890 - Release Date: 7/7/2007 3:26 PM From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Jul 9 18:49:46 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:02 2009 Subject: PDM> NO CONCALL TODAY Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC421B0E@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> I'm out of town and tied up tonight. Sorry for the late notice. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Time: US Central Time (Austin, Dallas) Monday, 16 Jul 2007, 8 PM - 9 US Pacific Time (Seattle) Monday, 16 Jul 2007, 6 PM - 7 US Eastern Time (New Jersey) Monday, 16 Jul 2007, 9 PM - 10 Tokyo Tuesday, 17 Jul 2007, 10 AM - 11 Singapore, Taiwan Tuesday, 17 Jul 2007, 9 AM - 10 Agenda: ------ Welcome new member, if they can call in this week: Crestron. What happened at the PWG F2F meeting last week? What happened at the InfoComm trade show? Groups being defined and yet to be done: - Group priorities and schedules. - Review priorities of properties within groups. - IMPORTANT: Read the wd/Group-status-v05.xls document on the FTP! Review recently updated groups: - DisplayCapabilities - Fan - Button - Interlock - Localization Discuss PowerStates: - What enumerated values permitted in what states? - Need clear definitions of the several states. Recent Documents Added ------ --------- ----- wd/Group-status-v05.xls objects/DisplayCapabilities_v08a.xml objects/ThermalFan_v07.xml (more today) Telephone bridge details: --------- ------ ------- - US toll-free 1-866-917-7696 - from outside US +1-517-345-1887 - Participant passcode 3524129 # Live Meeting URL: ---- ------- --- https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/dell/join?id=Projector+%26+Display+Mgt+St ds&role=attend&pw=PDM-PWG Note: when LiveMeeting requests "Name" on the first sign-in screen, it wants only a human-consumable version of your name, so that others can see who is in the meeting. Example: "Rick Landau (Dell)" File storage area on PWG web site: ---- ------- ---- -- --- --- ---- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm N E W A D D R E S S NOTE: Since PDM has been approved as a working group of PWG, the file storage area HAS MOVED to the root of the working directory tree, to /pub/pwg/pdm... The directory structure will change slightly, also. - Existing files will remain in place in the old directories. - Existing files have been copied to the new directories. - New files will be posted *only* to the new directories. Please take a look at the new directory structure. PDM WIKI on the PWG Wiki Site: --- ---- -- --- --- ---- ---- http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/Projector+%26+Display+Management N E W N E W N E W N E W N E W N E W Please take a look at the page, and bookmark it. And edit it if you see something wrong or want to include additional information. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Jul 16 14:26:32 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:02 2009 Subject: PDM> Revised (slightly) property groups. Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC421B32@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> objects/Localization_v03.xml objects/Button_v03.xml Button now contains the concept of a set of buttons that are enabled and disabled together, e.g., "All front panel buttons" or "Handheld remote control." rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Time: US Central Time (Austin, Dallas) Monday, 23 Jul 2007, 8 PM - 9 US Pacific Time (Seattle) Monday, 23 Jul 2007, 6 PM - 7 US Eastern Time (New Jersey) Monday, 23 Jul 2007, 9 PM - 10 Tokyo Tuesday, 24 Jul 2007, 10 AM - 11 Singapore, Taiwan Tuesday, 24 Jul 2007, 9 AM - 10 Agenda: ------ Groups being defined and yet to be done: - Careful review of the Group-status spreadsheet: - Group priorities and schedules. - Review priorities of properties within groups. - IMPORTANT: Read the wd/Group-status-vNN.xls document on the FTP! Review recently updated groups: - Button - Interlock - Localization Comments on the slides from PWG F2F Discuss PowerStates: - What enumerated values permitted in what states? (easy) - Need clear definitions of the several states. (hard) Telephone bridge details: --------- ------ ------- - US toll-free 1-866-917-7696 - from outside US +1-517-345-1887 - Participant passcode 3524129 # Live Meeting URL: ---- ------- --- https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/dell/join?id=Projector+%26+Display+Mgt+St ds&role=attend&pw=PDM-PWG Note: when LiveMeeting requests "Name" on the first sign-in screen, it wants only a human-consumable version of your name, so that others can see who is in the meeting. Example: "Rick Landau (Dell)" File storage area on PWG web site: ---- ------- ---- -- --- --- ---- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm PDM WIKI on the PWG Wiki Site: --- ---- -- --- --- ---- ---- http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/Projector+%26+Display+Management N E W N E W N E W N E W N E W N E W Please take a look at the page, and bookmark it. And edit it if you see something wrong or want to include additional information. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Jul 23 19:02:37 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:02 2009 Subject: PDM> New files describing Power States Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC421B70@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> In an attempt to write down some of the discussions we've had about the subtleties of reduced power states, I edited the old description and posted a new version. ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/PowerStateProperties_v04.doc And Devin edited a new version of the PowerState XML. ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/PowerState_v08a.xml rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Time: US Central Time (Austin, Dallas) Monday, 30 Jul 2007, 8 PM - 9 US Pacific Time (Seattle) Monday, 30 Jul 2007, 6 PM - 7 US Eastern Time (New Jersey) Monday, 30 Jul 2007, 9 PM - 10 Tokyo Tuesday, 31 Jul 2007, 10 AM - 11 Singapore, Taiwan Tuesday, 31 Jul 2007, 9 AM - 10 Agenda: ------ Review brand new group(s): - Alert group Review group priorities and schedules. Review priorities of properties within groups. - IMPORTANT: Read the wd/Group-status-vNN.xls document on the FTP site! Review recently updated groups (minor): - Button - Interlock - Localization Comments on the PowerStateProperties doc? Telephone bridge details: --------- ------ ------- - US toll-free 1-866-917-7696 - from outside US +1-517-345-1887 - Participant passcode 3524129 # Live Meeting URL: ---- ------- --- https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/dell/join?id=Projector+%26+Display+Mgt+St ds&role=attend&pw=PDM-PWG Note: when LiveMeeting requests "Name" on the first sign-in screen, it wants only a human-consumable version of your name, so that others can see who is in the meeting. Example: "Rick Landau (Dell)" File storage area on PWG web site: ---- ------- ---- -- --- --- ---- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm PDM WIKI on the PWG Wiki Site: --- ---- -- --- --- ---- ---- http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/PDM N E W N E W N E W N E W N E W N E W Please take a look at the page, and bookmark it. And edit it if you see something wrong or want to include additional information. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Fri Jul 27 18:49:49 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:03 2009 Subject: PDM> New property group on FTP: Alerts Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC421BAE@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Just posted the Alert group to FTP. For review on the Monday/Tuesday call if possible. This is the representation of the durable log of warnings and failures. ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/Alert_v00.xml rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20070730/36838773/attachment.html From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Jul 30 12:18:15 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:03 2009 Subject: PDM> REMINDER OF CONCALL TODAY (Mon-Tues) Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC421BB4@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> P R O J E C T O R & D I S P L A Y M A N A G E M E N T W G Projector & Display Management Working Group conference call 2007 July 30-31 REMINDER of Concall 2007/07/30-31 -------- -- ------- ------------- The next meeting (by conference call) of this working group will be held on Monday PM (US) / Tuesday AM (Asia), 2007 July 30-31. Time: US Central Time (Austin, Dallas) Monday, 30 Jul 2007, 8 PM - 9 US Pacific Time (Seattle) Monday, 30 Jul 2007, 6 PM - 7 US Eastern Time (New Jersey) Monday, 30 Jul 2007, 9 PM - 10 Tokyo Tuesday, 31 Jul 2007, 10 AM - 11 Singapore, Taiwan Tuesday, 31 Jul 2007, 9 AM - 10 Agenda: ------ Dates and location of next face-to-face meeting - Proposed: Oct 17-18 (Wed-Thurs) or Oct 18-19 (Thurs-Fri) - Proposed: Austin, TX, at Dell facility - Please answer the survey you will get in email ASAP Review brand new groups: - Alert group Review group priorities and schedules. Review priorities of properties within groups. - IMPORTANT: Read the wd/Group-status-vNN.xls document on the FTP site! Review recently updated groups (minor): - LightSource - DisplayCapability - Button - Interlock - Localization Comments on the PowerStateProperties doc? Telephone bridge details: --------- ------ ------- - US toll-free 1-866-917-7696 - from outside US +1-517-345-1887 - Participant passcode 3524129 # Live Meeting URL: ---- ------- --- https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/dell/join?id=Projector+%26+Display+Mgt+St ds&role=attend&pw=PDM-PWG Note: when LiveMeeting requests "Name" on the first sign-in screen, it wants only a human-consumable version of your name, so that others can see who is in the meeting. Example: "Rick Landau (Dell)" File storage area on PWG web site: ---- ------- ---- -- --- --- ---- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm PDM WIKI on the PWG Wiki Site: --- ---- -- --- --- ---- ---- http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/PDM N E W N E W N E W N E W N E W N E W Please take a look at the page, and bookmark it. And edit it if you see something wrong or want to include additional information. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Jul 30 12:50:49 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:03 2009 Subject: PDM> Please respond to survey about F2F dates! Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC421BB5@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Please respond to this survey about what dates we can hold our next face to face meeting. And please do it right NOW. 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URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20070731/98fbc885/attachment.html From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Thu Aug 2 13:24:16 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:03 2009 Subject: PDM> REMINDER OF CONCALL Monday-Tuesday Aug 06-07 in US-Asia Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC421BDC@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> P R O J E C T O R & D I S P L A Y M A N A G E M E N T W G Projector & Display Management Working Group conference call REMINDER of Concall 2007/08/06-07 -------- -- ------- ------------- The next meeting (by conference call) of this working group will be held on Monday PM (US) / Tuesday AM (Asia), 2007 August 06-07. Time: US Central Time (Austin, Dallas) Monday, 06 Aug 2007, 8 PM - 9 US Pacific Time (Seattle) Monday, 06 Aug 2007, 6 PM - 7 US Eastern Time (New Jersey) Monday, 06 Aug 2007, 9 PM - 10 Tokyo Tuesday, 07 Aug 2007, 10 AM - 11 Singapore, Taiwan Tuesday, 07 Aug 2007, 9 AM - 10 Agenda: ------ Dates and location of next face-to-face meeting - Set for Oct 17-18 (Wed-Thurs) in Austin, TX, at Dell facility! Make your plane reservations now! Review brand new groups: - General group (partial) Review group priorities and schedules. Review priorities of properties within groups. - IMPORTANT: Read the wd/Group-status-vNN.xls document on the FTP site! Comments on the PowerStateProperties doc? Recent Files on FTP ------ ----- -- --- objects/DisplayCapability_v09a.xml objects/LightSource_v07.xml objects/Alert_v00.xml objects/PowerState_v09.xml objects/Localization_v03.xml objects/Button_v03.xml objects/ThermalFan_v07.xml objects/PowerStateProperties_v04.doc minutes/minutes-20070730.doc wd/Group-status-v05.xls Telephone bridge details: --------- ------ ------- - US toll-free 1-866-917-7696 - from outside US +1-517-345-1887 - Participant passcode 3524129 # Live Meeting URL: ---- ------- --- https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/dell/join?id=Projector+%26+Display+Mgt+St ds&role=attend&pw=PDM-PWG Note: when LiveMeeting requests "Name" on the first sign-in screen, it wants only a human-consumable version of your name, so that others can see who is in the meeting. Example: "Rick Landau (Dell)" File storage area on PWG web site: ---- ------- ---- -- --- --- ---- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm PDM WIKI on the PWG Wiki Site: --- ---- -- --- --- ---- ---- http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/PDM N E W N E W N E W N E W N E W N E W Please take a look at the page, and bookmark it. And edit it if you see something wrong or want to include additional information. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Aug 6 18:30:31 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:03 2009 Subject: PDM> REMINDER OF CONCALL today Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC421BFD@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> P R O J E C T O R & D I S P L A Y M A N A G E M E N T W G Projector & Display Management Working Group conference call REMINDER of Concall 2007/08/06-07 -------- -- ------- ------------- The next meeting (by conference call) of this working group will be held on Monday PM (US) / Tuesday AM (Asia), 2007 August 06-07. Time: US Central Time (Austin, Dallas) Monday, 06 Aug 2007, 8 PM - 9 US Pacific Time (Seattle) Monday, 06 Aug 2007, 6 PM - 7 US Eastern Time (New Jersey) Monday, 06 Aug 2007, 9 PM - 10 Tokyo Tuesday, 07 Aug 2007, 10 AM - 11 Singapore, Taiwan Tuesday, 07 Aug 2007, 9 AM - 10 Agenda: ------ Dates and location of next face-to-face meeting - Set for Oct 17-18 (Wed-Thurs) in Austin, TX, at Dell facility! Make your plane reservations now! Review brand new groups: - General group (partial) Review group priorities and schedules. Review priorities of properties within groups. - IMPORTANT: Read the wd/Group-status-vNN.xls document on the FTP site! Comments on the PowerStateProperties doc? Recent Files on FTP ------ ----- -- --- objects/DisplayCapability_v09a.xml objects/LightSource_v07.xml objects/Alert_v00.xml objects/PowerState_v09.xml objects/Localization_v03.xml objects/Button_v03.xml objects/ThermalFan_v07.xml objects/PowerStateProperties_v04.doc objects/General_v01.xml minutes/minutes-20070730.doc wd/Group-status-v07.xls Telephone bridge details: --------- ------ ------- - US toll-free 1-866-917-7696 - from outside US +1-517-345-1887 - Participant passcode 3524129 # Live Meeting URL: ---- ------- --- https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/dell/join?id=Projector+%26+Display+Mgt+St ds&role=attend&pw=PDM-PWG Note: when LiveMeeting requests "Name" on the first sign-in screen, it wants only a human-consumable version of your name, so that others can see who is in the meeting. Example: "Rick Landau (Dell)" File storage area on PWG web site: ---- ------- ---- -- --- --- ---- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm PDM WIKI on the PWG Wiki Site: --- ---- -- --- --- ---- ---- http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/PDM N E W N E W N E W N E W N E W N E W Please take a look at the page, and bookmark it. And edit it if you see something wrong or want to include additional information. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Fri Aug 10 18:32:05 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:03 2009 Subject: PDM> Minutes of concall Aug 06-07 posted on FTP Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC421C34@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Minutes posted on FTP ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/minutes/minutes-20070806.doc Talk to you Monday. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Time: US Central Time (Austin, Dallas) Monday, 13 Aug 2007, 8 PM - 9 US Pacific Time (Seattle) Monday, 13 Aug 2007, 6 PM - 7 US Eastern Time (New Jersey) Monday, 13 Aug 2007, 9 PM - 10 Tokyo Tuesday, 14 Aug 2007, 10 AM - 11 Singapore, Taiwan Tuesday, 14 Aug 2007, 9 AM - 10 Agenda: ------ Next Face-to-Face meeting is set for Oct 17-18 (Wed-Thurs) in Austin, TX, at Dell facility! Make your plane reservations now! Review revised groups: - Fan group - General group (partial) Review Interface group proposal (Rick) Comments on Alert group, if available Comments on the PowerStateProperties doc - Have you heard about the EuP Directive Recent Files on FTP ------ ----- -- --- objects/Alert_v00.xml objects/ThermalFan_v09.xml objects/PowerStateProperties_v04.doc objects/General_v01.xml minutes/minutes-20070806.doc wd/Group-status-v08.xls Telephone bridge details: --------- ------ ------- - US toll-free 1-866-917-7696 - from outside US +1-517-345-1887 - Participant passcode 3524129 # Live Meeting URL: ---- ------- --- https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/dell/join?id=Projector+%26+Display+Mgt+St ds&role=attend&pw=PDM-PWG Note: when LiveMeeting requests "Name" on the first sign-in screen, it wants only a human-consumable version of your name, so that others can see who is in the meeting. Example: "Rick Landau (Dell)" File storage area on PWG web site: ---- ------- ---- -- --- --- ---- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm PDM WIKI on the PWG Wiki Site: --- ---- -- --- --- ---- ---- http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/PDM N E W N E W N E W N E W N E W N E W Please take a look at the page, and bookmark it. 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URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20070817/52c0d318/attachment.html From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Fri Aug 17 16:43:18 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:03 2009 Subject: PDM> REMINDER OF CONCALL Monday-Tuesday Aug 20-21. Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC421C65@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> P R O J E C T O R & D I S P L A Y M A N A G E M E N T W G Projector & Display Management Working Group conference call REMINDER of Concall 2007/08/20-21 -------- -- ------- ------------- The next meeting (by conference call) of this working group will be held on Monday PM (US) / Tuesday AM (Asia), 2007 August 20-21. Time: US Central Time (Austin, Dallas) Monday, 20 Aug 2007, 8 PM - 9 US Pacific Time (Seattle) Monday, 20 Aug 2007, 6 PM - 7 US Eastern Time (New Jersey) Monday, 20 Aug 2007, 9 PM - 10 Tokyo Tuesday, 21 Aug 2007, 10 AM - 11 Singapore, Taiwan Tuesday, 21 Aug 2007, 9 AM - 10 Agenda: ------ Next Face-to-Face meeting is set for Oct 17-18 (Wed-Thurs) in Austin, TX, at Dell facility! Make your plane reservations now! Review revised groups: - Thermal groups other than Fan - General group (partial) Review Interface group proposal (Rick) Comments on the PowerStateProperties doc - Relationship of our power state definitions to the EuP Directive Recent Files on FTP ------ ----- -- --- objects/Alert_v00.xml objects/ThermalFan_v09.xml objects/PowerStateProperties_v04.doc objects/General_v01.xml minutes/minutes-20070813.doc wd/Group-status-vNN.xls Telephone bridge details: --------- ------ ------- - US toll-free 1-866-917-7696 - from outside US +1-517-345-1887 - Participant passcode 3524129 # Live Meeting URL: ---- ------- --- https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/dell/join?id=Projector+%26+Display+Mgt+St ds&role=attend&pw=PDM-PWG Note: when LiveMeeting requests "Name" on the first sign-in screen, it wants only a human-consumable version of your name, so that others can see who is in the meeting. Example: "Rick Landau (Dell)" File storage area on PWG web site: ---- ------- ---- -- --- --- ---- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm PDM WIKI on the PWG Wiki Site: --- ---- -- --- --- ---- ---- http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/PDM Please take a look at the page, and bookmark it. And edit it if you see something wrong or want to include additional information. Yes, you have the privilege to edit the wiki. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Aug 20 16:28:57 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:03 2009 Subject: PDM> Projector&Display Mgt WG Concall for today CANCELLED. Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC421C76@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> We have no new material to discuss today. Take the night/morning off. And work on something for next week tomorrow. Thanks. Sorry for the late notice. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20070820/d0916a10/attachment.html From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Aug 27 14:24:57 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:03 2009 Subject: PDM> REMINDER OF CONCALL Monday-Tuesday Aug 27-28. In-Reply-To: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC421C65@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> References: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC421C65@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC421CAA@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> P R O J E C T O R & D I S P L A Y M A N A G E M E N T W G Projector & Display Management Working Group conference call REMINDER of Concall 2007/08/27-28 -------- -- ------- ------------- The next meeting (by conference call) of this working group will be held on Monday PM (US) / Tuesday AM (Asia), 2007 August 27-28. Time: US Central Time (Austin, Dallas) Monday, 27 Aug 2007, 8 PM - 9 US Pacific Time (Seattle) Monday, 27 Aug 2007, 6 PM - 7 US Eastern Time (New Jersey) Monday, 27 Aug 2007, 9 PM - 10 Tokyo Tuesday, 28 Aug 2007, 10 AM - 11 Singapore, Taiwan Tuesday, 28 Aug 2007, 9 AM - 10 Agenda: ------ Next Face-to-Face meeting is set for Oct 17-18 (Wed-Thurs) in Austin, TX, at Dell facility! Make your plane reservations now! Review Interface group proposal (Rick) Review revised groups: - Interface group (new) - Thermal groups other than Fan - General group (partial) Comments on the PowerStateProperties doc - Relationship of our power state definitions to the EuP Directive Recent Files on FTP ------ ----- -- --- objects/Interface_v01.xml objects/PowerStateProperties_v04.doc objects/General_v01.xml minutes/minutes-20070813.doc wd/Group-status-vNN.xls Telephone bridge details: --------- ------ ------- - US toll-free 1-866-917-7696 - from outside US +1-517-345-1887 - Participant passcode 3524129 # Live Meeting URL: ---- ------- --- https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/dell/join?id=Projector+%26+Display+Mgt+St ds&role=attend&pw=PDM-PWG Note: when LiveMeeting requests "Name" on the first sign-in screen, it wants only a human-consumable version of your name, so that others can see who is in the meeting. Example: "Rick Landau (Dell)" File storage area on PWG web site: ---- ------- ---- -- --- --- ---- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm PDM WIKI on the PWG Wiki Site: --- ---- -- --- --- ---- ---- http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/PDM Please take a look at the page, and bookmark it. And edit it if you see something wrong or want to include additional information. Yes, you have the privilege to edit the wiki. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Aug 27 16:56:32 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:03 2009 Subject: PDM> New group (Interface) posted on FTP. Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FC421CAD@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> The Interface group is a table describing the physical connectors which can source signals. ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/Interface_v01.xml rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20070827/62f12979/attachment.html From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Sep 10 12:09:44 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:03 2009 Subject: PDM> Projector&Display Mgt WG: REMINDER OF CONCALL TODAY Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E257@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> P R O J E C T O R & D I S P L A Y M A N A G E M E N T W G Projector & Display Management Working Group conference call REMINDER of Concall 2007/09/10-11 -------- -- ------- ------------- The next meeting (by conference call) of this working group will be held on Monday PM (US) / Tuesday AM (Asia), 2007 Sept 10-11. Time: US Central Time (Austin, Dallas) Monday, 10 Sep 2007, 8 PM - 9 US Pacific Time (Seattle) Monday, 10 Sep 2007, 6 PM - 7 US Eastern Time (New Jersey) Monday, 10 Sep 2007, 9 PM - 10 Tokyo Tuesday, 11 Sep 2007, 10 AM - 11 Singapore, Taiwan Tuesday, 11 Sep 2007, 9 AM - 10 Agenda: ------ Review new XSL translation of XML files to MIB fragments Next Face-to-Face meeting is set for Oct 17-18 (Wed-Thurs) in Austin, TX, at Dell facility! Make your plane reservations now! Review revised groups: - Thermal groups other than Fan Recent Files on FTP ------ ----- -- --- objects/Alert_v00.xml objects/ThermalFan_v09.xml wd/Group-status-vNN.xls Telephone bridge details: --------- ------ ------- - US toll-free 1-866-917-7696 - from outside US +1-517-345-1887 - Participant passcode 3524129 # Live Meeting URL: ---- ------- --- https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/dell/join?id=Projector+%26+Display+Mgt+St ds&role=attend&pw=PDM-PWG Note: when LiveMeeting requests "Name" on the first sign-in screen, it wants only a human-consumable version of your name, so that others can see who is in the meeting. Example: "Rick Landau (Dell)" File storage area on PWG web site: ---- ------- ---- -- --- --- ---- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm PDM WIKI on the PWG Wiki Site: --- ---- -- --- --- ---- ---- http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/PDM Please take a look at the page, and bookmark it. And edit it if you see something wrong or want to include additional information. Yes, you have the privilege to edit the wiki. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Sep 10 17:56:55 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:03 2009 Subject: PDM> New files on FTP: corrected groups, XSL translations to MIB syntax Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E25F@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> New files on the FTP site: Corrected property group files: Localization_v03b.xml ThermalFan_v09b.xml SystemController_v04a.xml Interface_v01a.xml PowerState_v09a.xml And, finally, new translations from XML to SNMP syntax, for the ten most nearly complete groups. There are two archives: xsl-mib-fragments-20070910.zip # the results of translation xsl-mib-translate-20070910.zip # the XSL files, makefile, xalan script, to-do list For each property group, there are three files: foo.tables.mib # table header and entry definitions foo.props.mib # object definitions for all properties, scalar and table foo.enums.mib # Textual Conventions (TCs) for all properties with enumerated values Let's take a look at these on the next call. The to-do list contains a number of nits and one real shortcoming (default values) currently, but I think the results are getting close to usable. Happy reading! rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20070912/29224270/attachment.html From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Fri Sep 14 14:55:03 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:03 2009 Subject: PDM> REMINDER OF CONCALL Monday-Tuesday, Sept 17-18 Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E27F@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> P R O J E C T O R & D I S P L A Y M A N A G E M E N T W G Projector & Display Management Working Group conference call REMINDER of Concall 2007/09/17-18 -------- -- ------- ------------- The next meeting (by conference call) of this working group will be held on Monday PM (US) / Tuesday AM (Asia), 2007 Sept 17-18. Time: US Central Time (Austin, Dallas) Monday, 17 Sep 2007, 8 PM - 9 US Pacific Time (Seattle) Monday, 17 Sep 2007, 6 PM - 7 US Eastern Time (New Jersey) Monday, 17 Sep 2007, 9 PM - 10 Tokyo Tuesday, 18 Sep 2007, 10 AM - 11 Singapore, Taiwan Tuesday, 18 Sep 2007, 9 AM - 10 Agenda: ------ WHERE WERE YOU LAST WEEK? We are so close to having something testable that we should not slow down now! Review new XSL translation of XML files to MIB fragments (improves every week). Next Face-to-Face meeting is set for Oct 17-18 (Wed-Thurs) in Austin, TX, at Dell facility! Make your plane reservations now! Review revised groups: - Thermal groups other than Fan Recent Files on FTP ------ ----- -- --- objects/Alert_v01.xml objects/Interface_03.xml objects/ThermalFan_v09.xml wd/Group-status-vNN.xls objects/xsl-mib-translate-yyyymmdd.zip objects/xsl-mib-fragments-yyyymmdd.zip Telephone bridge details: --------- ------ ------- - US toll-free 1-866-917-7696 - from outside US +1-517-345-1887 - Participant passcode 3524129 # Live Meeting URL: ---- ------- --- https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/dell/join?id=Projector+%26+Display+Mgt+St ds&role=attend&pw=PDM-PWG Note: when LiveMeeting requests "Name" on the first sign-in screen, it wants only a human-consumable version of your name, so that others can see who is in the meeting. Example: "Rick Landau (Dell)" File storage area on PWG web site: ---- ------- ---- -- --- --- ---- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm PDM WIKI on the PWG Wiki Site: --- ---- -- --- --- ---- ---- http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/PDM Please take a look at the page, and bookmark it. And edit it if you see something wrong or want to include additional information. Yes, you have the privilege to edit the wiki. ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Sep 17 11:46:40 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:03 2009 Subject: PDM> REMINDER OF CONCALL Monday-Tuesday, Sept 17-18 In-Reply-To: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E27F@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> References: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E27F@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E285@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Please take a look at the translations of the XML into MIB. The latest results are in ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/xsl-mib-fragments-20070914.zip particularly the file skeleton-out.mib, which is the combined text. This is getting close to being an And the files used to do the translation, if you care, are in ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/xsl-mib-translate-20070914.zip And make the call today if you can. Thanks. rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-pdm@pwg.org [mailto:owner-pdm@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Richard_Landau@Dell.com Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 13:55 To: pdm@pwg.org Subject: PDM> REMINDER OF CONCALL Monday-Tuesday, Sept 17-18 P R O J E C T O R & D I S P L A Y M A N A G E M E N T W G Projector & Display Management Working Group conference call REMINDER of Concall 2007/09/17-18 -------- -- ------- ------------- The next meeting (by conference call) of this working group will be held on Monday PM (US) / Tuesday AM (Asia), 2007 Sept 17-18. Time: US Central Time (Austin, Dallas) Monday, 17 Sep 2007, 8 PM - 9 US Pacific Time (Seattle) Monday, 17 Sep 2007, 6 PM - 7 US Eastern Time (New Jersey) Monday, 17 Sep 2007, 9 PM - 10 Tokyo Tuesday, 18 Sep 2007, 10 AM - 11 Singapore, Taiwan Tuesday, 18 Sep 2007, 9 AM - 10 Agenda: ------ WHERE WERE YOU LAST WEEK? We are so close to having something testable that we should not slow down now! Review new XSL translation of XML files to MIB fragments (improves every week). Next Face-to-Face meeting is set for Oct 17-18 (Wed-Thurs) in Austin, TX, at Dell facility! Make your plane reservations now! Review revised groups: - Thermal groups other than Fan Recent Files on FTP ------ ----- -- --- objects/Alert_v01.xml objects/Interface_03.xml objects/ThermalFan_v09.xml wd/Group-status-vNN.xls objects/xsl-mib-translate-yyyymmdd.zip objects/xsl-mib-fragments-yyyymmdd.zip Telephone bridge details: --------- ------ ------- - US toll-free 1-866-917-7696 - from outside US +1-517-345-1887 - Participant passcode 3524129 # Live Meeting URL: ---- ------- --- https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/dell/join?id=Projector+%26+Display+Mgt+St ds&role=attend&pw=PDM-PWG Note: when LiveMeeting requests "Name" on the first sign-in screen, it wants only a human-consumable version of your name, so that others can see who is in the meeting. Example: "Rick Landau (Dell)" File storage area on PWG web site: ---- ------- ---- -- --- --- ---- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm PDM WIKI on the PWG Wiki Site: --- ---- -- --- --- ---- ---- http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/PDM Please take a look at the page, and bookmark it. And edit it if you see something wrong or want to include additional information. Yes, you have the privilege to edit the wiki. ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Sep 17 12:39:17 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:03 2009 Subject: PDM> MINUTES of last two concalls posted on FTP site Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E288@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/minutes/minutes-20070827.doc ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/minutes/minutes-20070910.doc rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20070917/39939ed5/attachment.html From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Sep 24 12:31:18 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:03 2009 Subject: PDM> Projector&Display Mgt WG: REMINDER of CONCALL TODAY, Mon/Tues Sept 24/25. Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E2C3@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> P R O J E C T O R & D I S P L A Y M A N A G E M E N T W G Projector & Display Management Working Group conference call REMINDER of Concall 2007/09/24-25 -------- -- ------- ------------- The next meeting (by conference call) of this working group will be held on Monday PM (US) / Tuesday AM (Asia), 2007 Sept 24-25. Time: US Central Time (Austin, Dallas) Monday, 24 Sep 2007, 8 PM - 9 US Pacific Time (Seattle) Monday, 24 Sep 2007, 6 PM - 7 US Eastern Time (New Jersey) Monday, 24 Sep 2007, 9 PM - 10 Tokyo Tuesday, 25 Sep 2007, 10 AM - 11 Singapore, Taiwan Tuesday, 25 Sep 2007, 9 AM - 10 Agenda: ------ The draft MIB is getting closer to something usable and testable. Please look at the latest versions of any files named like skeleton-out*.mib in the objects directory. It needs a little reorganization, but it looks like a MIB file. What work remains to get to V1 draft MIB? - There are minor corrections required in some groups. - A few general properties are still missing. - We need a plan. Update the Group-status-vNN.xls spreadsheet. Review new XSL translation of XML files to MIB fragments available. - This improves every week. - We find new (minor) bugs in the property group XML files every week. Review revised groups: - General group Recent Files on FTP ------ ----- -- --- wd/Group-status-vNN.xls objects/skeleton-out*.mib objects/xsl-mib-translate-yyyymmdd.zip objects/xsl-mib-fragments-yyyymmdd.zip Reminder: Next Face-to-Face Meeting --------- ---- ---- -- ---- ------- Next Face-to-Face meeting is set for Oct 17-18 (Wed-Thurs) in Austin, TX, at Dell facility! Make your plane reservations now! Telephone bridge details: --------- ------ ------- - US toll-free 1-866-917-7696 - from outside US +1-517-345-1887 - Participant passcode 3524129 # Live Meeting URL: ---- ------- --- https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/dell/join?id=Projector+%26+Display+Mgt+St ds&role=attend&pw=PDM-PWG Note: when LiveMeeting requests "Name" on the first sign-in screen, it wants only a human-consumable version of your name, so that others can see who is in the meeting. Example: "Rick Landau (Dell)" File storage area on PWG web site: ---- ------- ---- -- --- --- ---- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm PDM WIKI on the PWG Wiki Site: --- ---- -- --- --- ---- ---- http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/PDM Please take a look at the page, and bookmark it. And edit it if you see something wrong or want to include additional information. Yes, you have the privilege to edit the wiki. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Sep 24 18:58:13 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:03 2009 Subject: PDM> Projector&Display Mgt WG: new MIB files on FTP site. Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E2CE@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Getting really close. The current output contains eight of the sixteen groups we need for v1, and the others will be trivial to add once they are brought up to the current template and named properly. And there are some comment lines, debug info, and such to be removed, but it is nearly baked. Take a look at ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/skeleton-final1.mib PLEASE LOOK AT THE FILE(S) AND SEND COMMENTS! We need expert feedback on the properties, what's missing, what's redundant, what's structured well or badly. Details in ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/xsl-mib-fragments-20070924.zip ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/xsl-mib-translate-20070924.zip And we need to put the remaining work items into the schedule: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/wd/Group-status-v09.xls Talk to you in a couple hours! rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20070924/9e87f915/attachment.html From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Oct 1 15:39:08 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:03 2009 Subject: PDM> Projector&Display Mgt WG - CONCALL today CANCELLED Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E2F7@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> No call tonight / this morning. No new material to discuss. Talk to you next week. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20071001/812cc799/attachment.html From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Oct 8 14:33:48 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:03 2009 Subject: PDM> Projector&Display Mgt WG: REMINDER OF CONCALL TODAY Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E340@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> P R O J E C T O R & D I S P L A Y M A N A G E M E N T W G Projector & Display Management Working Group conference call REMINDER of Concall 2007/10/08-09 -------- -- ------- ------------- The next meeting (by conference call) of this working group will be held on Monday PM (US) / Tuesday AM (Asia), 2007 Oct 08-09. Time: US Central Time (Austin, Dallas) Monday, 08 Oct 2007, 8 PM - 9 US Pacific Time (Seattle) Monday, 08 Oct 2007, 6 PM - 7 US Eastern Time (New Jersey) Monday, 08 Oct 2007, 9 PM - 10 Tokyo Tuesday, 09 Oct 2007, 10 AM - 11 Singapore, Taiwan Tuesday, 09 Oct 2007, 9 AM - 10 Agenda: ------ Prepare for the face-to-face meeting: - What are the most important items to discuss? - What items remain to be done to get to a publishable v1 MIB? What work remains to get to V1 draft MIB? - There are minor corrections required in some groups. - A few general properties are still missing. - Look at the latest versions of any files named like skeleton-out*.mib in the objects directory. - We need a plan. Update the Group-status-vNN.xls spreadsheet. Review new and revised groups: - Other Thermal groups beyond Fan. Reminder: Next Face-to-Face Meeting --------- ---- ---- -- ---- ------- Next Face-to-Face meeting is set for Oct 17-18 (Wed-Thurs) in Austin, TX, at Dell facility! Make your plane reservations now! The wiki page at http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/PDM has detailed information about the meetings sites, including maps, hotels in the area, etc. Telephone bridge details: --------- ------ ------- - US toll-free 1-866-917-7696 - from outside US +1-517-345-1887 - Participant passcode 3524129 # Live Meeting URL: ---- ------- --- https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/dell/join?id=Projector+%26+Display+Mgt+St ds&role=attend&pw=PDM-PWG Note: when LiveMeeting requests "Name" on the first sign-in screen, it wants only a human-consumable version of your name, so that others can see who is in the meeting. Example: "Rick Landau (Dell)" File storage area on PWG web site: ---- ------- ---- -- --- --- ---- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm PDM WIKI on the PWG Wiki Site: --- ---- -- --- --- ---- ---- http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/PDM Please take a look at the page, and bookmark it. And edit it if you see something wrong or want to include additional information. Yes, you have the privilege to edit the wiki. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Oct 8 18:59:41 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:03 2009 Subject: PDM> Projector&Display Mgt WG: new files for your review Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E342@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> objects/Controller_vNN.xml # just look for the latest files or highest version numbers objects/General_vNN.xml objects/ThermalSensor_vNN.xml objects/xsl-mib-fragments-20071008.zip objects/xsl-mib-translate-20071008.zip objects/skeleton-final.mib This last one is the current state of the draft MIB. It is still missing a couple groups (Audio and Filter) and a few properties here and there, and it still needs a couple minor fixups that would prevent compilation. Otherwise, very close. Please take a look. All review is extremely welcome! rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20071008/6d609d68/attachment.html From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Oct 15 11:55:19 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:03 2009 Subject: PDM> FACE-TO-FACE MEETING THIS WEEK. NO CONCALL TODAY. Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E369@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> I will post new files later today for the meeting. - The Group-status.xls spreadsheet. I hope that this new version will contain the real property lists and actions needed. - I updated the General and Controller groups in the XML. - Several groups still need real updating: adding properties, correcting property names and enum values, nothing really wrong. - For anyone who has looked at the MIB file, I have corrected all the structural problems with it, e.g., assignment of conflicting duplicate OIDs in some groups. The only major remaining problem is word-wrapping the SNMP DESCRIPTION clauses. If you cannot make it to the face-to-face meeting, PLEASE call into the meeting when you can. I will try to keep the concall bridge and LiveMeeting open for those who cannot attend. Hope to see you Wednesday! rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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PLEASE look at it carefully. ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/skeleton-final.mib The files that translate the MIB from the XML group files, and the intermediate files that they generate on the way to the assembled MIB file. ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/xsl-mib-translate-20071015.zip ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/xsl-mib-fragments-20071015.zip rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It is too long, I think, but we will try to get thru most of it. rick ----------------------------------------------------- Agenda for Face-to-Face Meeting 17-18 October 2007, Austin, TX, USA Wed., 17 Oct. 2007, 9AM-5PM, Dell Technical Briefing Center, Austin, TX Thurs, 18 Oct. 2007, 9AM-3PM, Marriott Residence Inn, Round Rock, TX Agenda: What is left to do for v1 draft? * Group-status spreadsheet: * Groups, owners 1 Mandatory vs optional properties: are they sorted reasonably? 2 Are groups clean w.r.t. latest template and syntax? 3 Edits remaining to be done 4 Schedule for edits and rebuild * How to publish v1 draft for review * Short white paper about why 1 MIB text file 2 Slide show? 3 What avenues can we use for publicity? * Draft statements for reviewers about mandatory and optional properties and groups 1 Interoperability testing * Who is doing prototypes or early implementations? Detailed review of current state * MIB text 1 What lengths and contents for mandatory strings? 2 Cleaning up XML group definitions * DefaultValues 1 Definition clauses 2 Optionality 3 Availability * Review Alert group Remaining technical items * What goes into DisplaySettings group? 1 Rationalizing property names to minimize misunderstanding: * ReplacementCount vs Cycle or Number 1 ReplacementInterval vs Cycle 2 Not repeating group name in property name 3 Projector vs Device, except where "projector" is really required * List of display technologies, display types, for inventory properties 1 List of interface connectors 2 Need overall temperature status? 3 Time formats: * XML format for date/time? 1 PowerOnCount plus sysUptime as a backup? ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20071016/ba728a17/attachment.html From blueroofmusic at gmail.com Wed Oct 17 17:09:47 2007 From: blueroofmusic at gmail.com (Ira McDonald) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:03 2009 Subject: PDM> Comments on PDM MIB details Message-ID: Hi, Below are my comments on the current PDM MIB text. Cheers, - Ira -- Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 work: +1-906-494-2434 home: +1-906-494-2697 email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Comments on PDM MIB - by Ira McDonald - 17 October 2007 * Important to use well-formed ASN.1 labels - Labels should NOT be longer than 31-characters - breaks compilers - Table should be pdmGroupTable - Entry should be pdmGroupEntry - Columnar should be pdmGroupColumnarName * Enum - ASN.1 labels for enumerated values MUST start with lowercase alpha - always reserve (and usually define) other(1) and unknown(2) - do NOT use zero or negative values - e.g. PostStatus * String datatypes - Set by system - PdmLocalizedStringTC (UTF-8) - Set by client - SnmpAdminString (UTF-8) - ISO/IANA Keywords - DisplayString (US-ASCII visible only) - Required string constants - min length zero with conformance stated - Do NOT use "OCTET STRING" directly for any human-readable string * Localization - all human-readable strings MUST be UTF-8 (other charsets illegal) - Language Tags defined by RFC 4646 (up to 63 characters) - Ira will propose rewrite of Localization group soon * Limits - Integers - Specify explicit min/max value - Strings - Specify explicit min/max length * DateTime objects - Need PdmDateTimeTC - XML format date and time * Age, Time, Size objects - Need UNITS clause - and explicit units in Description * Uptime - must use TimeTicks as SYNTAX - note that all SNMP traps MUST bind Uptime, so XML DateTime redundant * Should use of DISPLAY-HINT clauses, when appropriate * Index - Use 32-bit positive range - NOT 16-bit range (deprecated by IETF) * Counter - use Counter32 - NOT Integer32 - object label MUST end in "Counter" or "Count" - per IETF guidelines * Gauge - use Gauge32 - NOT Integer32 - object label SHOULD end in "Gauge" - per IETF guidelines From blueroofmusic at gmail.com Mon Oct 22 16:00:27 2007 From: blueroofmusic at gmail.com (Ira McDonald) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:03 2009 Subject: PDM> Re: Comments on PDM MIB details In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, One more thought on counters. The SMIv2 and IETF MIB Guidelines specs actually recommend naming them with a plural noun as the rightmost word (e.g., icTimeProcessingSeconds) that specifies the *units* being counted. Cheers, - Ira On 10/17/07, Ira McDonald wrote: > Hi, > > Below are my comments on the current PDM MIB text. > > Cheers, > - Ira > > -- > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Blue Roof Music / High North Inc > PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 > work: +1-906-494-2434 > home: +1-906-494-2697 > email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Comments on PDM MIB - by Ira McDonald - 17 October 2007 > > > * Important to use well-formed ASN.1 labels > - Labels should NOT be longer than 31-characters - breaks compilers > - Table should be pdmGroupTable > - Entry should be pdmGroupEntry > - Columnar should be pdmGroupColumnarName > > * Enum > - ASN.1 labels for enumerated values MUST start with lowercase alpha > - always reserve (and usually define) other(1) and unknown(2) > - do NOT use zero or negative values - e.g. PostStatus > > * String datatypes > - Set by system - PdmLocalizedStringTC (UTF-8) > - Set by client - SnmpAdminString (UTF-8) > - ISO/IANA Keywords - DisplayString (US-ASCII visible only) > - Required string constants - min length zero with conformance stated > - Do NOT use "OCTET STRING" directly for any human-readable string > > * Localization > - all human-readable strings MUST be UTF-8 (other charsets illegal) > - Language Tags defined by RFC 4646 (up to 63 characters) > - Ira will propose rewrite of Localization group soon > > * Limits > - Integers - Specify explicit min/max value > - Strings - Specify explicit min/max length > > * DateTime objects > - Need PdmDateTimeTC - XML format date and time > > * Age, Time, Size objects > - Need UNITS clause - and explicit units in Description > > * Uptime > - must use TimeTicks as SYNTAX > - note that all SNMP traps MUST bind Uptime, so XML DateTime redundant > > * Should use of DISPLAY-HINT clauses, when appropriate > > * Index > - Use 32-bit positive range - NOT 16-bit range (deprecated by IETF) > > * Counter > - use Counter32 - NOT Integer32 > - object label MUST end in "Counter" or "Count" - per IETF guidelines > > * Gauge > - use Gauge32 - NOT Integer32 > - object label SHOULD end in "Gauge" - per IETF guidelines > -- Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 work: +1-906-494-2434 home: +1-906-494-2697 email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Wed Oct 24 19:00:02 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:03 2009 Subject: PDM> Please update your LiveMeeting client software. Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E3B6@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> The client software for LiveMeeting needs to be updated (yes, again). Please do this in advance of the next concall so that we don't lose a large part of the meeting while people download and install the new client (16MB). Try to connect to the usual LiveMeeting site. You can do this at any time, even if the meeting is not being broadcast. You should be prompted to download and install the new client. Thanks. Talk to you on Monday! rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20071024/2c4b9a4a/attachment.html From blueroofmusic at gmail.com Thu Oct 25 21:29:10 2007 From: blueroofmusic at gmail.com (Ira McDonald) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:03 2009 Subject: PDM> Interfaces - needs work Message-ID: Hi, Comments on PDM Interfaces group: All SNMP Agents must implement the required groups in MIB-II (per the core SNMP protocol specs for all three versions), including the Interfaces group (which includes all local and network data interfaces but NOT memory, video, etc., like the PDM group). The PDM Interfaces group should *augment*, rather than attempt to replace the MIB-II required group for local and network data interfaces (802.11, 802.3 (aka Ethernet), etc.). I'll send a more detailed suggestion after I think about it a bit more, but we do NOT want to compete with the exstensive IANA registry of local/network data interface types - waste of time and effort. FWIW - Host Resources MIB (RFC 2790) treats as distinct device types: Network, Video, Audio, Disk Storage, Parallel, and Serial (among others). Cheers, - Ira -- Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 work: +1-906-494-2434 home: +1-906-494-2697 email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Fri Oct 26 12:26:50 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:03 2009 Subject: PDM> Interfaces - needs work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E3C4@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Ira, you are not the first person we've managed to confuse with a poorly chosen name and an insufficiently explicit description. We should probably rename it to the "Connector" group. The MIB2 Interfaces group is for network interfaces. The PDM group is for video and audio data-delivery interfaces. (Only two of them accidentally are also network interfaces, but there's not much network-ish about them in this application.) The group has two purposes: - Through which physical connector is the device currently (attempting to) receive its video signal? Same for audio signal? - From which physical connectors should the device look for video and audio signals? The only properties that these objects might share with the Interface group are Description, maybe Type, and maybe AdminStatus. All the other properties of Interface are for bit-byte-packet oriented interfaces, which almost all of these *analog* gezintas are not. To the extent that network interfaces (ethernet and wireless) might appear here at all, the only "extension" would be something like "don't listen to this interface for video signals." This is not very similar to prtChannel, either: we are not planning to enable/disable individual data paths. It's strictly physical. But neither does it turn off the whole connector, e.g., ethernet would still carry management traffic. This is an instruction to the video processor to listen to the gezinta or not. Since the network attributes are irrelevant to these connectors, and these functions are irrelevant to the network interfaces, I don't believe they ought to be combined. Shared properties? The intersection of the two sets of Types is almost empty. The AdminStatus has odd enum values that do not mesh with the way people think about these connectors, but could be used. And OperStatus is not reported by these devices. Not much fertile ground here, but maybe non-zero. If IANA has a registry of these connectors, well, I missed it. 99% of these connectors are not Internet anything, so it's not surprising that IANA doesn't collect them. They have a video *media* registry, but that doesn't help much. But VESA and CEA do define these connector types, though not quite up to the level of a formal registry. Nick is investigating the collection of those definitions. Seem reasonable? rick -----Original Message----- From: owner-pdm@pwg.org [mailto:owner-pdm@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira McDonald Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 20:29 To: pdm@pwg.org; Ira McDonald Subject: PDM> Interfaces - needs work Hi, Comments on PDM Interfaces group: All SNMP Agents must implement the required groups in MIB-II (per the core SNMP protocol specs for all three versions), including the Interfaces group (which includes all local and network data interfaces but NOT memory, video, etc., like the PDM group). The PDM Interfaces group should *augment*, rather than attempt to replace the MIB-II required group for local and network data interfaces (802.11, 802.3 (aka Ethernet), etc.). I'll send a more detailed suggestion after I think about it a bit more, but we do NOT want to compete with the exstensive IANA registry of local/network data interface types - waste of time and effort. FWIW - Host Resources MIB (RFC 2790) treats as distinct device types: Network, Video, Audio, Disk Storage, Parallel, and Serial (among others). Cheers, - Ira -- Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 work: +1-906-494-2434 home: +1-906-494-2697 email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Fri Oct 26 17:19:48 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:03 2009 Subject: PDM> Projector&Display Mgt WG: REMINDER OF CONCALL Monday/Tuesday Oct 29/30. Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E3C8@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> P R O J E C T O R & D I S P L A Y M A N A G E M E N T W G Projector & Display Management Working Group conference call REMINDER of Concall 2007/10/29-30 -------- -- ------- ------------- The next meeting (by conference call) of this working group will be held on Monday PM (US) / Tuesday AM (Asia), 2007 Oct 29-30. Time: US Central Time (Austin, Dallas) Monday, 29 Oct 2007, 8 PM - 9 US Pacific Time (Seattle) Monday, 29 Oct 2007, 6 PM - 7 US Eastern Time (New Jersey) Monday, 29 Oct 2007, 9 PM - 10 Tokyo Tuesday, 30 Oct 2007, 10 AM - 11 Singapore, Taiwan Tuesday, 30 Oct 2007, 9 AM - 10 Agenda: ------ Results from the face-to-face meeting: - Read the minutes-20071017.doc file on the FTP site. They are very long because they contain a list of all the (mostly small) edits that remain to be done to all the groups. - Review corrections to groups: many small edits, most should be available today. - Review remaining groups: only a few. - Check the name changes of groups and properties. - Check corrections to translation from XML to MIB. - What progress have we made to get to a publishable v1 MIB? And what remains? Review new and revised groups: - Many of these. Telephone bridge details: --------- ------ ------- - US toll-free 1-866-917-7696 - from outside US +1-517-345-1887 - Participant passcode 3524129 # Live Meeting URL: ---- ------- --- https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/dell/join?id=Projector+%26+Display+Mgt+St ds&role=attend&pw=PDM-PWG Note: when LiveMeeting requests "Name" on the first sign-in screen, it wants only a human-consumable version of your name, so that others can see who is in the meeting. Example: "Rick Landau (Dell)" File storage area on PWG web site: ---- ------- ---- -- --- --- ---- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm PDM WIKI on the PWG Wiki Site: --- ---- -- --- --- ---- ---- http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/PDM Please take a look at the page, and bookmark it. And edit it if you see something wrong or want to include additional information. Yes, you have the privilege to edit the wiki. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20071026/479417c4/attachment.html From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Fri Oct 26 17:37:54 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:03 2009 Subject: PDM> New files in FTP site. Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E3C9@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Revised Group-status spreadsheet with new layout from the f2f meeting: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/wd/Group-status-v12.xls Also, several revised groups from Nick. (in the objects dir) And the minutes of the f2f. ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/minutes/minutes-20071017.doc rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20071026/563c5faa/attachment.html From blueroofmusic at gmail.com Sat Oct 27 14:46:57 2007 From: blueroofmusic at gmail.com (Ira McDonald) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:03 2009 Subject: PDM> Posted two LocaleXxx groups to FTP (27 Oct 2007) Message-ID: Hi folks, Saturday (27 October 2007) I've just posted two new groups to the PWG FTP server at: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/LocaleCharset_v01.xml ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/LocaleLanguage_v01.xml These are the decompositions and rewrites of the former Localizaation group, to align with current ISO and IETF standards. They include some scalar objects which should be moved to the General group (and are so commented). Cheers, - Ira -- Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 work: +1-906-494-2434 home: +1-906-494-2697 email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com From blueroofmusic at gmail.com Sun Oct 28 14:59:55 2007 From: blueroofmusic at gmail.com (Ira McDonald) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:03 2009 Subject: PDM> Interfaces - needs work In-Reply-To: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E3C4@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> References: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E3C4@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Message-ID: Hi Rick, I don't quite agree with your conclusions. PDM should NOT enumerate ANY network interface - the special other value 'network' should mean use the separate property VideoSourceNetworkType with the datatype IANAifType (from the IANA Interface Types MIB). You don't want to go into the business of enumerating network physical and datalink interface types. And the types like 'USBMemory' seem underspecified - what FILE on that USB stick is being displayed is more interesting. And IETF and IANA do enumerated memory types and other storage types in the Host Resources MIB. I remain of the opinion "needs work". I also think the group name should be something like VideoSource. My two cents, - Ira On 10/26/07, Richard_Landau@dell.com wrote: > Ira, you are not the first person we've managed to confuse with a poorly > chosen name and an insufficiently explicit description. We should > probably rename it to the "Connector" group. > > The MIB2 Interfaces group is for network interfaces. The PDM group is > for video and audio data-delivery interfaces. (Only two of them > accidentally are also network interfaces, but there's not much > network-ish about them in this application.) The group has two > purposes: > - Through which physical connector is the device currently (attempting > to) receive its video signal? Same for audio signal? > - From which physical connectors should the device look for video and > audio signals? > > The only properties that these objects might share with the Interface > group are Description, maybe Type, and maybe AdminStatus. All the other > properties of Interface are for bit-byte-packet oriented interfaces, > which almost all of these *analog* gezintas are not. > > To the extent that network interfaces (ethernet and wireless) might > appear here at all, the only "extension" would be something like "don't > listen to this interface for video signals." This is not very similar > to prtChannel, either: we are not planning to enable/disable individual > data paths. It's strictly physical. But neither does it turn off the > whole connector, e.g., ethernet would still carry management traffic. > This is an instruction to the video processor to listen to the gezinta > or not. > > Since the network attributes are irrelevant to these connectors, and > these functions are irrelevant to the network interfaces, I don't > believe they ought to be combined. > > Shared properties? The intersection of the two sets of Types is almost > empty. The AdminStatus has odd enum values that do not mesh with the > way people think about these connectors, but could be used. And > OperStatus is not reported by these devices. Not much fertile ground > here, but maybe non-zero. > > If IANA has a registry of these connectors, well, I missed it. 99% of > these connectors are not Internet anything, so it's not surprising that > IANA doesn't collect them. They have a video *media* registry, but that > doesn't help much. But VESA and CEA do define these connector types, > though not quite up to the level of a formal registry. Nick is > investigating the collection of those definitions. > > Seem reasonable? > > rick > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pdm@pwg.org [mailto:owner-pdm@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira > McDonald > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 20:29 > To: pdm@pwg.org; Ira McDonald > Subject: PDM> Interfaces - needs work > > Hi, > > Comments on PDM Interfaces group: > > All SNMP Agents must implement the required groups in MIB-II (per the > core SNMP protocol specs for all three versions), including the > Interfaces group (which includes all local and network data interfaces > but NOT memory, video, etc., like the PDM group). > > The PDM Interfaces group should *augment*, rather than attempt to > replace the MIB-II required group for local and network data interfaces > (802.11, 802.3 (aka Ethernet), etc.). > > I'll send a more detailed suggestion after I think about it a bit more, > but we do NOT want to compete with the exstensive IANA registry of > local/network data interface types - waste of time and effort. > > FWIW - Host Resources MIB (RFC 2790) treats as distinct device > types: Network, Video, Audio, Disk Storage, Parallel, and Serial (among > others). > > Cheers, > - Ira > > > -- > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation > Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand > Marais, MI 49839 > work: +1-906-494-2434 > home: +1-906-494-2697 > email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com > -- Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 work: +1-906-494-2434 home: +1-906-494-2697 email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com From ReRogers at SYMON.com Mon Oct 29 09:32:30 2007 From: ReRogers at SYMON.com (Raymond Rogers) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:03 2009 Subject: PDM> Interfaces - needs work In-Reply-To: References: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E3C4@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Message-ID: Ira, I don't believe that VideoSources is an adequate description for the group, it implies a too limited set. While I do agree that PDM should not be enumerating physical network interfaces as that is already well covered, I do believe that PDM should enumerate all of the MediaInterfaces (a/v sources, a/v destinations, and local mass storage source (internal, USB, Firewire, etc.)). Rick, Yes, I do live and I will try to be on the call tonight. Regards, Raymond Rogers Symon Communications, Inc. (972)543-9586 -----Original Message----- From: owner-pdm@pwg.org [mailto:owner-pdm@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira McDonald Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 2:00 PM To: Richard_Landau@dell.com Cc: pdm@pwg.org Subject: Re: PDM> Interfaces - needs work Hi Rick, I don't quite agree with your conclusions. PDM should NOT enumerate ANY network interface - the special other value 'network' should mean use the separate property VideoSourceNetworkType with the datatype IANAifType (from the IANA Interface Types MIB). You don't want to go into the business of enumerating network physical and datalink interface types. And the types like 'USBMemory' seem underspecified - what FILE on that USB stick is being displayed is more interesting. And IETF and IANA do enumerated memory types and other storage types in the Host Resources MIB. I remain of the opinion "needs work". I also think the group name should be something like VideoSource. My two cents, - Ira On 10/26/07, Richard_Landau@dell.com wrote: > Ira, you are not the first person we've managed to confuse with a poorly > chosen name and an insufficiently explicit description. We should > probably rename it to the "Connector" group. > > The MIB2 Interfaces group is for network interfaces. The PDM group is > for video and audio data-delivery interfaces. (Only two of them > accidentally are also network interfaces, but there's not much > network-ish about them in this application.) The group has two > purposes: > - Through which physical connector is the device currently (attempting > to) receive its video signal? Same for audio signal? > - From which physical connectors should the device look for video and > audio signals? > > The only properties that these objects might share with the Interface > group are Description, maybe Type, and maybe AdminStatus. All the other > properties of Interface are for bit-byte-packet oriented interfaces, > which almost all of these *analog* gezintas are not. > > To the extent that network interfaces (ethernet and wireless) might > appear here at all, the only "extension" would be something like "don't > listen to this interface for video signals." This is not very similar > to prtChannel, either: we are not planning to enable/disable individual > data paths. It's strictly physical. But neither does it turn off the > whole connector, e.g., ethernet would still carry management traffic. > This is an instruction to the video processor to listen to the gezinta > or not. > > Since the network attributes are irrelevant to these connectors, and > these functions are irrelevant to the network interfaces, I don't > believe they ought to be combined. > > Shared properties? The intersection of the two sets of Types is almost > empty. The AdminStatus has odd enum values that do not mesh with the > way people think about these connectors, but could be used. And > OperStatus is not reported by these devices. Not much fertile ground > here, but maybe non-zero. > > If IANA has a registry of these connectors, well, I missed it. 99% of > these connectors are not Internet anything, so it's not surprising that > IANA doesn't collect them. They have a video *media* registry, but that > doesn't help much. But VESA and CEA do define these connector types, > though not quite up to the level of a formal registry. Nick is > investigating the collection of those definitions. > > Seem reasonable? > > rick > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pdm@pwg.org [mailto:owner-pdm@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira > McDonald > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 20:29 > To: pdm@pwg.org; Ira McDonald > Subject: PDM> Interfaces - needs work > > Hi, > > Comments on PDM Interfaces group: > > All SNMP Agents must implement the required groups in MIB-II (per the > core SNMP protocol specs for all three versions), including the > Interfaces group (which includes all local and network data interfaces > but NOT memory, video, etc., like the PDM group). > > The PDM Interfaces group should *augment*, rather than attempt to > replace the MIB-II required group for local and network data interfaces > (802.11, 802.3 (aka Ethernet), etc.). > > I'll send a more detailed suggestion after I think about it a bit more, > but we do NOT want to compete with the exstensive IANA registry of > local/network data interface types - waste of time and effort. > > FWIW - Host Resources MIB (RFC 2790) treats as distinct device > types: Network, Video, Audio, Disk Storage, Parallel, and Serial (among > others). > > Cheers, > - Ira > > > -- > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation > Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand > Marais, MI 49839 > work: +1-906-494-2434 > home: +1-906-494-2697 > email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com > -- Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 work: +1-906-494-2434 home: +1-906-494-2697 email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com Notice of Confidentiality: This transmission contains information that may be confidential and that may also be privileged. Unless you are the intended recipient of the message (or authorized to receive it for the intended recipient) you may not copy, forward, or otherwise use it, or disclose its contents to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify us immediately and delete it from your system. From blueroofmusic at gmail.com Mon Oct 29 12:49:05 2007 From: blueroofmusic at gmail.com (Ira McDonald) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:03 2009 Subject: PDM> Interfaces - needs work In-Reply-To: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E3CB@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> References: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E3C4@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E3CB@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Message-ID: Hi, All interesting details, but... For the same reason you have fine-grained groups like ThermalSensor, you should probably have (at a minimum), a VideoInput and VideoOutput and AudioInput and AudioOutput group. Wherever possible, these should leverage IETF/IANA, VESA, IEEE, or whatever registries of standard types. :"Wireless Radio" is actively bad, because it makes no distinction between Bluetooth, 802.11, satellite, and various new MAN and WAN wireless. Bluetooth has applications (like Basic Print) that could be used to send video stills for display. 802.11 and 802.3 (Ethernet) don't have any application protocols. I may make the telecon tonight - I have a very early meeting the following morning (6am). Cheers, - Ira On 10/29/07, Richard_Landau@dell.com wrote: > The group includes source connectors for all signals, video and audio, > so renaming to "VideoSource" is not adequate. Dividing into two groups > seems even less reasonable. > > Describing the format of data entering a connector is *precisely* what > this group has struggled to avoid. You have not heard the discussions > on this topic. They do not want to model signal type (or file type). > It is very complicated, the types are almost entirely > connector-specific, and the details are judged not to be useful as > management information. All this group wants to control is the gezinta, > the socket (or antenna) in the back panel. > > Note: information about, and control over, the gezinta sourcing the > video signal is the number three request on the management hit parade, > as I understand it, after power management and lamp status/age. > > I get the point about adding a property for some IANA type. > - Adding a column property that might be used by one or two out of ten > rows is a stretch, but it's probably not unprecedented. > - Is there an IANA type that covers the *two* flavors of Ethernet needed > here? > - IANAIfJackType includes rj45, but covers only 802.3 gezintas by its > definition. > - Whence something for 802.11, particularly without specifying a, b, g, > or n? (Too much detail, as noted above.) I am not up on these things. > Please enlighten me. > - Adding *two* columns that might be used by max one out of ten rows is > a loooong stretch. > > Perhaps some of the names need to be changed, e.g., > - from "ethernet" to "rj45" > - from "wirelessEthernet" to "wirelessRadio" > to avoid confusion about their intended function. > > rick > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 14:00 > To: Landau, Richard > Cc: pdm@pwg.org > Subject: Re: PDM> Interfaces - needs work > > Hi Rick, > > I don't quite agree with your conclusions. > > PDM should NOT enumerate ANY network interface - the special other value > 'network' should mean use the separate property VideoSourceNetworkType > with the datatype IANAifType (from the IANA Interface Types MIB). You > don't want to go into the business of enumerating network physical and > datalink interface types. And the types like 'USBMemory' seem > underspecified - what FILE on that USB stick is being displayed is more > interesting. And IETF and IANA do enumerated memory types and other > storage types in the Host Resources MIB. > > I remain of the opinion "needs work". > > I also think the group name should be something like VideoSource. > > My two cents, > - Ira > > On 10/26/07, Richard_Landau@dell.com wrote: > > Ira, you are not the first person we've managed to confuse with a > > poorly chosen name and an insufficiently explicit description. We > > should probably rename it to the "Connector" group. > > > > The MIB2 Interfaces group is for network interfaces. The PDM group is > > > for video and audio data-delivery interfaces. (Only two of them > > accidentally are also network interfaces, but there's not much > > network-ish about them in this application.) The group has two > > purposes: > > - Through which physical connector is the device currently (attempting > > to) receive its video signal? Same for audio signal? > > - From which physical connectors should the device look for video and > > audio signals? > > > > The only properties that these objects might share with the Interface > > group are Description, maybe Type, and maybe AdminStatus. All the > > other properties of Interface are for bit-byte-packet oriented > > interfaces, which almost all of these *analog* gezintas are not. > > > > To the extent that network interfaces (ethernet and wireless) might > > appear here at all, the only "extension" would be something like > > "don't listen to this interface for video signals." This is not very > > similar to prtChannel, either: we are not planning to enable/disable > > individual data paths. It's strictly physical. But neither does it > > turn off the whole connector, e.g., ethernet would still carry > management traffic. > > This is an instruction to the video processor to listen to the gezinta > > > or not. > > > > Since the network attributes are irrelevant to these connectors, and > > these functions are irrelevant to the network interfaces, I don't > > believe they ought to be combined. > > > > Shared properties? The intersection of the two sets of Types is > > almost empty. The AdminStatus has odd enum values that do not mesh > > with the way people think about these connectors, but could be used. > > And OperStatus is not reported by these devices. Not much fertile > > ground here, but maybe non-zero. > > > > If IANA has a registry of these connectors, well, I missed it. 99% of > > > these connectors are not Internet anything, so it's not surprising > > that IANA doesn't collect them. They have a video *media* registry, > > but that doesn't help much. But VESA and CEA do define these > > connector types, though not quite up to the level of a formal > > registry. Nick is investigating the collection of those definitions. > > > > Seem reasonable? > > > > rick > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-pdm@pwg.org [mailto:owner-pdm@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira > > McDonald > > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 20:29 > > To: pdm@pwg.org; Ira McDonald > > Subject: PDM> Interfaces - needs work > > > > Hi, > > > > Comments on PDM Interfaces group: > > > > All SNMP Agents must implement the required groups in MIB-II (per the > > core SNMP protocol specs for all three versions), including the > > Interfaces group (which includes all local and network data interfaces > > > but NOT memory, video, etc., like the PDM group). > > > > The PDM Interfaces group should *augment*, rather than attempt to > > replace the MIB-II required group for local and network data > > interfaces (802.11, 802.3 (aka Ethernet), etc.). > > > > I'll send a more detailed suggestion after I think about it a bit > > more, but we do NOT want to compete with the exstensive IANA registry > > of local/network data interface types - waste of time and effort. > > > > FWIW - Host Resources MIB (RFC 2790) treats as distinct device > > types: Network, Video, Audio, Disk Storage, Parallel, and Serial > > (among others). > > > > Cheers, > > - Ira > > > > > > -- > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation > > Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand > > Marais, MI 49839 > > work: +1-906-494-2434 > > home: +1-906-494-2697 > > email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com > > > > > -- > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation > Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand > Marais, MI 49839 > work: +1-906-494-2434 > home: +1-906-494-2697 > email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com > -- Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 work: +1-906-494-2434 home: +1-906-494-2697 email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Oct 29 11:57:39 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:03 2009 Subject: PDM> Interfaces - needs work In-Reply-To: References: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E3C4@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E3CB@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> The group includes source connectors for all signals, video and audio, so renaming to "VideoSource" is not adequate. Dividing into two groups seems even less reasonable. Describing the format of data entering a connector is *precisely* what this group has struggled to avoid. You have not heard the discussions on this topic. They do not want to model signal type (or file type). It is very complicated, the types are almost entirely connector-specific, and the details are judged not to be useful as management information. All this group wants to control is the gezinta, the socket (or antenna) in the back panel. Note: information about, and control over, the gezinta sourcing the video signal is the number three request on the management hit parade, as I understand it, after power management and lamp status/age. I get the point about adding a property for some IANA type. - Adding a column property that might be used by one or two out of ten rows is a stretch, but it's probably not unprecedented. - Is there an IANA type that covers the *two* flavors of Ethernet needed here? - IANAIfJackType includes rj45, but covers only 802.3 gezintas by its definition. - Whence something for 802.11, particularly without specifying a, b, g, or n? (Too much detail, as noted above.) I am not up on these things. Please enlighten me. - Adding *two* columns that might be used by max one out of ten rows is a loooong stretch. Perhaps some of the names need to be changed, e.g., - from "ethernet" to "rj45" - from "wirelessEthernet" to "wirelessRadio" to avoid confusion about their intended function. rick -----Original Message----- From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 14:00 To: Landau, Richard Cc: pdm@pwg.org Subject: Re: PDM> Interfaces - needs work Hi Rick, I don't quite agree with your conclusions. PDM should NOT enumerate ANY network interface - the special other value 'network' should mean use the separate property VideoSourceNetworkType with the datatype IANAifType (from the IANA Interface Types MIB). You don't want to go into the business of enumerating network physical and datalink interface types. And the types like 'USBMemory' seem underspecified - what FILE on that USB stick is being displayed is more interesting. And IETF and IANA do enumerated memory types and other storage types in the Host Resources MIB. I remain of the opinion "needs work". I also think the group name should be something like VideoSource. My two cents, - Ira On 10/26/07, Richard_Landau@dell.com wrote: > Ira, you are not the first person we've managed to confuse with a > poorly chosen name and an insufficiently explicit description. We > should probably rename it to the "Connector" group. > > The MIB2 Interfaces group is for network interfaces. The PDM group is > for video and audio data-delivery interfaces. (Only two of them > accidentally are also network interfaces, but there's not much > network-ish about them in this application.) The group has two > purposes: > - Through which physical connector is the device currently (attempting > to) receive its video signal? Same for audio signal? > - From which physical connectors should the device look for video and > audio signals? > > The only properties that these objects might share with the Interface > group are Description, maybe Type, and maybe AdminStatus. All the > other properties of Interface are for bit-byte-packet oriented > interfaces, which almost all of these *analog* gezintas are not. > > To the extent that network interfaces (ethernet and wireless) might > appear here at all, the only "extension" would be something like > "don't listen to this interface for video signals." This is not very > similar to prtChannel, either: we are not planning to enable/disable > individual data paths. It's strictly physical. But neither does it > turn off the whole connector, e.g., ethernet would still carry management traffic. > This is an instruction to the video processor to listen to the gezinta > or not. > > Since the network attributes are irrelevant to these connectors, and > these functions are irrelevant to the network interfaces, I don't > believe they ought to be combined. > > Shared properties? The intersection of the two sets of Types is > almost empty. The AdminStatus has odd enum values that do not mesh > with the way people think about these connectors, but could be used. > And OperStatus is not reported by these devices. Not much fertile > ground here, but maybe non-zero. > > If IANA has a registry of these connectors, well, I missed it. 99% of > these connectors are not Internet anything, so it's not surprising > that IANA doesn't collect them. They have a video *media* registry, > but that doesn't help much. But VESA and CEA do define these > connector types, though not quite up to the level of a formal > registry. Nick is investigating the collection of those definitions. > > Seem reasonable? > > rick > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pdm@pwg.org [mailto:owner-pdm@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira > McDonald > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 20:29 > To: pdm@pwg.org; Ira McDonald > Subject: PDM> Interfaces - needs work > > Hi, > > Comments on PDM Interfaces group: > > All SNMP Agents must implement the required groups in MIB-II (per the > core SNMP protocol specs for all three versions), including the > Interfaces group (which includes all local and network data interfaces > but NOT memory, video, etc., like the PDM group). > > The PDM Interfaces group should *augment*, rather than attempt to > replace the MIB-II required group for local and network data > interfaces (802.11, 802.3 (aka Ethernet), etc.). > > I'll send a more detailed suggestion after I think about it a bit > more, but we do NOT want to compete with the exstensive IANA registry > of local/network data interface types - waste of time and effort. > > FWIW - Host Resources MIB (RFC 2790) treats as distinct device > types: Network, Video, Audio, Disk Storage, Parallel, and Serial > (among others). > > Cheers, > - Ira > > > -- > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation > Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand > Marais, MI 49839 > work: +1-906-494-2434 > home: +1-906-494-2697 > email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com > -- Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 work: +1-906-494-2434 home: +1-906-494-2697 email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Oct 29 14:27:53 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:03 2009 Subject: PDM> Projector&Display Mgt WG: REMINDER OF CONCALL TODAY Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E3CD@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> P R O J E C T O R & D I S P L A Y M A N A G E M E N T W G Projector & Display Management Working Group conference call REMINDER of Concall 2007/10/29-30 -------- -- ------- ------------- The next meeting (by conference call) of this working group will be held on Monday PM (US) / Tuesday AM (Asia), 2007 Oct 29-30. Time: US Central Time (Austin, Dallas) Monday, 29 Oct 2007, 8 PM - 9 US Pacific Time (Seattle) Monday, 29 Oct 2007, 6 PM - 7 US Eastern Time (New Jersey) Monday, 29 Oct 2007, 9 PM - 10 Tokyo Tuesday, 30 Oct 2007, 10 AM - 11 Singapore, Taiwan Tuesday, 30 Oct 2007, 9 AM - 10 Agenda: ------ Results from the face-to-face meeting: !! Read the minutes-20071017.doc file on the FTP site. They are very long because they contain a list of all the (mostly small) edits that remain to be done to all the groups. - Check the name changes of groups and properties. - Decide what to do with names that are too long for SNMP. See the new file "skeleton-final-names-too-long.txt" for a list of the problems. - Decide what to do with DefaultValues. - Check corrections to translation from XML to MIB. - Review corrections to groups: many small edits, most should be available today. - What progress have we made to get to a publishable v1 MIB? And what remains? Review new and revised groups: - Many of these. Telephone bridge details: --------- ------ ------- - US toll-free 1-866-917-7696 - from outside US +1-517-345-1887 - Participant passcode 3524129 # Live Meeting URL: ---- ------- --- https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/dell/join?id=Projector+%26+Display+Mgt+St ds&role=attend&pw=PDM-PWG Note: when LiveMeeting requests "Name" on the first sign-in screen, it wants only a human-consumable version of your name, so that others can see who is in the meeting. Example: "Rick Landau (Dell)" File storage area on PWG web site: ---- ------- ---- -- --- --- ---- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm PDM WIKI on the PWG Wiki Site: --- ---- -- --- --- ---- ---- http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/PDM Please take a look at the page, and bookmark it. And edit it if you see something wrong or want to include additional information. 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URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20071029/3e88a908/attachment.html From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Oct 29 14:32:33 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:03 2009 Subject: PDM> Recall: Several new files on FTP site Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E3CF@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Landau, Richard would like to recall the message, "Several new files on FTP site". From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Oct 29 14:42:36 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:03 2009 Subject: PDM> RESEND: Several new files on FTP site Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E3D1@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> with actual names this time. > Current MIB draft > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/skeleton-final.mib > > List of too-long names in current MIB > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/skeleton-final-names-too-long.tx > t > > Files to make current MIB > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/xsl-mib-translate.zip > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/xsl-mib-fragments.zip > > Recently updated groups > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/Alert_v01a.xml > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/LocaleLanguage_v01a.xml ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/LocaleCharset_v01.xml ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/Connector_v04.xml ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/ThermalSwitch_v07a.xml ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/ThermalSensor_v05.xml ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/Fan_v10.xml > rick > ---------------------- > Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO > Office > +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20071031/43763bdc/attachment.html From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Thu Nov 1 16:46:45 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:04 2009 Subject: PDM> REMINDER OF CONCALL MONDAY/TUESDAY. ONE HOUR EARLIER IN THE U.S.! (same time in Asia) Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E3FC@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> P R O J E C T O R & D I S P L A Y M A N A G E M E N T W G Projector & Display Management Working Group conference call REMINDER of Concall 2007/11/05-06 -------- -- ------- ------------- ============================================================== NOTE THE TIME CHANGE! The U.S. will be back on standard time! ============================================================== The next meeting (by conference call) of this working group will be held on Monday PM (US) / Tuesday AM (Asia), 2007 Nov. 11/05-06. Time: US Central Time (Austin, Dallas) Monday, 05 Nov 2007, 7 PM - 8 US Pacific Time (Seattle) Monday, 05 Nov 2007, 5 PM - 6 US Eastern Time (New Jersey) Monday, 05 Nov 2007, 8 PM - 9 Tokyo Tuesday, 06 Nov 2007, 10 AM - 11 Singapore, Taiwan Tuesday, 06 Nov 2007, 9 AM - 10 Agenda: ------ Continuing results from the face-to-face meeting: !! Read the minutes-20071017.doc file on the FTP site. They are very long because they contain a list of all the (mostly small) edits that remain to be done to all the groups. - Review corrections to groups: many small edits, most should be available today. - Decide what to do with names that are too long for SNMP. See the new file "skeleton-final-names-too-long.txt" for a list of the problems. - Decide what to do with DefaultValues. - Check corrections to translation from XML to MIB. - What progress have we made to get to a publishable v1 MIB? And what remains? Telephone bridge details: --------- ------ ------- - US toll-free 1-866-917-7696 - from outside US +1-517-345-1887 - Participant passcode 3524129 # Live Meeting URL: ---- ------- --- https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/dell/join?id=Projector+%26+Display+Mgt+St ds&role=attend&pw=PDM-PWG Note: when LiveMeeting requests "Name" on the first sign-in screen, it wants only a human-consumable version of your name, so that others can see who is in the meeting. Example: "Rick Landau (Dell)" File storage area on PWG web site: ---- ------- ---- -- --- --- ---- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm PDM WIKI on the PWG Wiki Site: --- ---- -- --- --- ---- ---- http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/PDM Please take a look at the page, and bookmark it. And edit it if you see something wrong or want to include additional information. Yes, you have the privilege to edit the wiki. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20071101/6d60f75b/attachment.html From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Thu Nov 1 18:30:11 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:04 2009 Subject: PDM> Please respond to survey on possible changes to meeting time of day and day of week. Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E3FD@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Another very short survey. Please take two minutes to answer. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=djPUBfPWBI1fKhVwdbMBNA_3d_3d Thanks. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20071101/83a9724f/attachment.html From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Thu Nov 1 19:37:32 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:04 2009 Subject: PDM> When/where the next couple face to face meetings? Some suggestions Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E3FF@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Here's another quickie survey: where and when can we have face-to-face meetings in early 2008. 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URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20071101/c3be9019/attachment.html From blueroofmusic at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 11:32:48 2007 From: blueroofmusic at gmail.com (Ira McDonald) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:04 2009 Subject: PDM> Posted three groups to FTP server (2 November 2007) Message-ID: Hi folks, Friday (2 November 2007) I've just posted three revised groups to the PWG FTP server at: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/General_v07.xml ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/LocaleCharset_v02.xml ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/LocaleLanguage_v02.xml Minor edits - except moving LanguageTagSNMP to the base General group - to support SNMP locales different from US English in single-localization products. Cheers, - Ira -- Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 work: +1-906-494-2434 home: +1-906-494-2697 email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Nov 12 15:45:01 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:04 2009 Subject: PDM> Projector&Display Mgt WG: REMINDER OF CONCALL TODAY Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E437@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> P R O J E C T O R & D I S P L A Y M A N A G E M E N T W G Projector & Display Management Working Group conference call REMINDER of Concall 2007/11/12-13 -------- -- ------- ------------- ============================================================== NOTE THE TIME CHANGE! The U.S. is back on standard time! ============================================================== The next meeting (by conference call) of this working group will be held on Monday PM (US) / Tuesday AM (Asia), 2007 Nov. 11/12-13. Time: US Central Time (Austin, Dallas) Monday, 12 Nov 2007, 7 PM - 8 US Pacific Time (Seattle) Monday, 12 Nov 2007, 5 PM - 6 US Eastern Time (New Jersey) Monday, 12 Nov 2007, 8 PM - 9 Tokyo Tuesday, 13 Nov 2007, 10 AM - 11 Singapore, Taiwan Tuesday, 13 Nov 2007, 9 AM - 10 Agenda: ------ We want to move these concalls, but to precisely what day and time. - One hour earlier: okay for almost all. - Which day of the week? - Monday-Tuesday: This is the day we want to change. - Tuesday-Wednesday: Not possible for Rick. - Wednesday-Thursday: Rick will have to change other meetings. - Thursday-Friday: Okay. Meeting schedules for the next two months, avoiding holidays in US. Face-to-face meeting: January seems too early. Continuing results from the face-to-face meeting: - Review corrections to groups: many small edits, most should be available today. - Decide what to do with names that are too long for SNMP. See the new file "skeleton-final-names-too-long.txt" for a list of the problems. Devin has already fixed two of the groups. Others still need work. - Decide what to do with DefaultValues. - Check corrections to translation from XML to MIB. - What progress have we made to get to a publishable v1 MIB? And what remains? Telephone bridge details: --------- ------ ------- - US toll-free 1-866-917-7696 - from outside US +1-517-345-1887 - Participant passcode 3524129 # Live Meeting URL: ---- ------- --- https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/dell/join?id=Projector+%26+Display+Mgt+St ds&role=attend&pw=PDM-PWG Note: when LiveMeeting requests "Name" on the first sign-in screen, it wants only a human-consumable version of your name, so that others can see who is in the meeting. Example: "Rick Landau (Dell)" File storage area on PWG web site: ---- ------- ---- -- --- --- ---- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm PDM WIKI on the PWG Wiki Site: --- ---- -- --- --- ---- ---- http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/PDM Please take a look at the page, and bookmark it. And edit it if you see something wrong or want to include additional information. Yes, you have the privilege to edit the wiki. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20071112/655da091/attachment.html From blueroofmusic at gmail.com Mon Nov 12 22:29:16 2007 From: blueroofmusic at gmail.com (Ira McDonald) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:04 2009 Subject: PDM> Posted Bug List on PDM MIB (12 Nov 2007) Message-ID: Hi folks, Monday (12 November 2007) I've just posted one ZIP file to the PWG FTP server at: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/skeleton-final-bugs.zip which contains the following three files: pdm-bugs.txt - appended in plaintext below - detailed bug report skeleton-final-tc.mib - first half of PDM MIB skeleton-final-mib.mib - second half of PDM MIB Rick - Some of these are just capitalization in the textual conventions. But the synonyms for TruthValue (SNMP boolean) are illegal and won't do (they'll fail IETF MIB Doctors review, so we shouldn't use them). I quickly gave up on the main MIB module, because the DEFVAL clauses use the wrong (single) quote marks and appear in the wrong order. SNMP OBJECT-TYPE macro does NOT allow out-of-order clauses. To fix the enum names, use a 'diff' against skeleton-final-tc.mib and then fix source classes. Cheers, - Ira -- Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 work: +1-906-494-2434 home: +1-906-494-2697 email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ [pdm-bugs.txt] *** skeleton-final-tc.mib *** * Global - change "SYNTAX integer" --> "SYNTAX INTEGER" (ASN.1 base type - ALL types MUST start with an uppercase letter) * PdmPwrStCommAvailableTC - named number "True" must begin lowercase - illegal TC - synonym for TruthValue (SNMP boolean) * PdmDisplaySettingVideoMuteTC - illegal TC - synonym for TruthValue (SNMP boolean) * PdmDisplaySettingDisplayModeTC - named number "Zoom" must begin lowercase * PdmDisplaySettingColorTempTC - expected a string, got 6300 * PdmLightSourceBrightSettingTC - named number "High" must begin lowercase - invalid number for other(4) * PdmLightSourceLampStatusTC - named number "Alive" must begin lowercase - illegal TC - synonym for TruthValue (SNMP boolean) *** skeleton-final-mib.mib *** * PdmFirmwareUpgradeModeTC - change "PdmFirmwareUpgradeModeTC" -> "PdmCtlrFirmwareUpgradeableTC" - line 14: not defined in PWG-PROJECTOR-DISPLAY-TC * PdmPostStatusTC - change "PdmPostStatusTC" -> "PdmCtlrPostStatusTC" - line 14: not defined in PWG-PROJECTOR-DISPLAY-TC * pdmDeviceTypes - line 70: Conflicting registrations "pdmDeviceProjector" and "pdmGeneralProductName" - reuse of "{ pdmMIBObjects 1 }" * pdmGeneral - line 94: expected ::=, got { * pdmGeneralProductName - line 101: expected STATUS, got DEFVAL - line 106: invalid character in binary or hexadecimal string - change single quotes (binary) to double quotes (string) in DEFVAL - line 107: Conflicting registrations "pdmDeviceProjector" and "pdmGeneralProductName" - reuse of "{ pdmMIBObjects 1 }" * and much more of the same - SNMP MIB clauses MUST NOT be in wrong order - OIDs MUST NOT be reused - names longer than 31 characters are dangerous - type (SYNTAX) names MUST NOT start with lowercase (e.g., "pdmCtlrFirmwareUpgradeableTC") ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Tue Nov 13 16:22:14 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:04 2009 Subject: PDM> RE: Posted Bug List on PDM MIB (12 Nov 2007) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E446@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Thanks for the review. This is just what we needed. Believe it or not, I looked for the order of the DEFVAL and UNITS clauses in several standard MIBs. I don't recall which ones, but the first several I looked at were all the same and, apparently, all wrong. So much for trusting in quick research. I will fix the order of generation in the XSL; that's the easy part. The DefaultValues, on the other hand, have been unfixed for a long time. I will try to get people to make most of these edits. Or delve into them myself in my copious free time. rick -----Original Message----- From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 21:29 To: pdm@pwg.org; Landau, Richard; Ira McDonald Subject: Posted Bug List on PDM MIB (12 Nov 2007) Hi folks, Monday (12 November 2007) I've just posted one ZIP file to the PWG FTP server at: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/skeleton-final-bugs.zip which contains the following three files: pdm-bugs.txt - appended in plaintext below - detailed bug report skeleton-final-tc.mib - first half of PDM MIB skeleton-final-mib.mib - second half of PDM MIB Rick - Some of these are just capitalization in the textual conventions. But the synonyms for TruthValue (SNMP boolean) are illegal and won't do (they'll fail IETF MIB Doctors review, so we shouldn't use them). I quickly gave up on the main MIB module, because the DEFVAL clauses use the wrong (single) quote marks and appear in the wrong order. SNMP OBJECT-TYPE macro does NOT allow out-of-order clauses. To fix the enum names, use a 'diff' against skeleton-final-tc.mib and then fix source classes. Cheers, - Ira -- Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 work: +1-906-494-2434 home: +1-906-494-2697 email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ [pdm-bugs.txt] *** skeleton-final-tc.mib *** * Global - change "SYNTAX integer" --> "SYNTAX INTEGER" (ASN.1 base type - ALL types MUST start with an uppercase letter) * PdmPwrStCommAvailableTC - named number "True" must begin lowercase - illegal TC - synonym for TruthValue (SNMP boolean) * PdmDisplaySettingVideoMuteTC - illegal TC - synonym for TruthValue (SNMP boolean) * PdmDisplaySettingDisplayModeTC - named number "Zoom" must begin lowercase * PdmDisplaySettingColorTempTC - expected a string, got 6300 * PdmLightSourceBrightSettingTC - named number "High" must begin lowercase - invalid number for other(4) * PdmLightSourceLampStatusTC - named number "Alive" must begin lowercase - illegal TC - synonym for TruthValue (SNMP boolean) *** skeleton-final-mib.mib *** * PdmFirmwareUpgradeModeTC - change "PdmFirmwareUpgradeModeTC" -> "PdmCtlrFirmwareUpgradeableTC" - line 14: not defined in PWG-PROJECTOR-DISPLAY-TC * PdmPostStatusTC - change "PdmPostStatusTC" -> "PdmCtlrPostStatusTC" - line 14: not defined in PWG-PROJECTOR-DISPLAY-TC * pdmDeviceTypes - line 70: Conflicting registrations "pdmDeviceProjector" and "pdmGeneralProductName" - reuse of "{ pdmMIBObjects 1 }" * pdmGeneral - line 94: expected ::=, got { * pdmGeneralProductName - line 101: expected STATUS, got DEFVAL - line 106: invalid character in binary or hexadecimal string - change single quotes (binary) to double quotes (string) in DEFVAL - line 107: Conflicting registrations "pdmDeviceProjector" and "pdmGeneralProductName" - reuse of "{ pdmMIBObjects 1 }" * and much more of the same - SNMP MIB clauses MUST NOT be in wrong order - OIDs MUST NOT be reused - names longer than 31 characters are dangerous - type (SYNTAX) names MUST NOT start with lowercase (e.g., "pdmCtlrFirmwareUpgradeableTC") ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From blueroofmusic at gmail.com Tue Nov 13 18:51:02 2007 From: blueroofmusic at gmail.com (Ira McDonald) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:04 2009 Subject: PDM> Re: Posted Bug List on PDM MIB (12 Nov 2007) In-Reply-To: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E446@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> References: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E446@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Message-ID: Hi Rick, The authoritative list of the order of clauses in an OBJECT-TYPE macro is in section 2.3 on page 8 of IETF SMIv2 (RFC 2578), where the macro is actually defined, excerpted below: OBJECT-TYPE MACRO ::= BEGIN TYPE NOTATION ::= "SYNTAX" Syntax UnitsPart "MAX-ACCESS" Access "STATUS" Status "DESCRIPTION" Text ReferPart IndexPart DefValPart VALUE NOTATION ::= value(VALUE ObjectName) <...bunch of type details...> END Neither ASN.1 macros nor decent SNMP compilers will tolerate out-of-order clauses. Cheers, - Ira On Nov 13, 2007 4:22 PM, wrote: > Thanks for the review. This is just what we needed. > > Believe it or not, I looked for the order of the DEFVAL and UNITS > clauses in several standard MIBs. I don't recall which ones, but the > first several I looked at were all the same and, apparently, all wrong. > So much for trusting in quick research. I will fix the order of > generation in the XSL; that's the easy part. > > The DefaultValues, on the other hand, have been unfixed for a long time. > I will try to get people to make most of these edits. Or delve into > them myself in my copious free time. > > rick > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 21:29 > To: pdm@pwg.org; Landau, Richard; Ira McDonald > Subject: Posted Bug List on PDM MIB (12 Nov 2007) > > Hi folks, Monday (12 November 2007) > > I've just posted one ZIP file to the PWG FTP server at: > > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/skeleton-final-bugs.zip > > which contains the following three files: > > pdm-bugs.txt - appended in plaintext below > - detailed bug report > > skeleton-final-tc.mib > - first half of PDM MIB > > skeleton-final-mib.mib > - second half of PDM MIB > > Rick - Some of these are just capitalization in the textual conventions. > But the synonyms for TruthValue (SNMP boolean) are illegal and won't do > (they'll fail IETF MIB Doctors review, so we shouldn't use them). I > quickly gave up on the main MIB module, because the DEFVAL clauses use > the wrong (single) quote marks and appear in the wrong order. SNMP > OBJECT-TYPE macro does NOT allow out-of-order clauses. To fix the enum > names, use a 'diff' against skeleton-final-tc.mib and then fix source > classes. > > Cheers, > - Ira > > -- > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation > Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand > Marais, MI 49839 > work: +1-906-494-2434 > home: +1-906-494-2697 > email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > [pdm-bugs.txt] > > *** skeleton-final-tc.mib *** > > * Global > - change "SYNTAX integer" --> "SYNTAX INTEGER" > (ASN.1 base type - ALL types MUST start with an uppercase letter) > > * PdmPwrStCommAvailableTC > - named number "True" must begin lowercase > - illegal TC - synonym for TruthValue (SNMP boolean) > > * PdmDisplaySettingVideoMuteTC > - illegal TC - synonym for TruthValue (SNMP boolean) > > * PdmDisplaySettingDisplayModeTC > - named number "Zoom" must begin lowercase > > * PdmDisplaySettingColorTempTC > - expected a string, got 6300 > > * PdmLightSourceBrightSettingTC > - named number "High" must begin lowercase > - invalid number for other(4) > > * PdmLightSourceLampStatusTC > - named number "Alive" must begin lowercase > - illegal TC - synonym for TruthValue (SNMP boolean) > > *** skeleton-final-mib.mib *** > > * PdmFirmwareUpgradeModeTC > - change "PdmFirmwareUpgradeModeTC" -> "PdmCtlrFirmwareUpgradeableTC" > - line 14: not defined in PWG-PROJECTOR-DISPLAY-TC > > * PdmPostStatusTC > - change "PdmPostStatusTC" -> "PdmCtlrPostStatusTC" > - line 14: not defined in PWG-PROJECTOR-DISPLAY-TC > > * pdmDeviceTypes > - line 70: Conflicting registrations "pdmDeviceProjector" and > "pdmGeneralProductName" > - reuse of "{ pdmMIBObjects 1 }" > > * pdmGeneral > - line 94: expected ::=, got { > > * pdmGeneralProductName > - line 101: expected STATUS, got DEFVAL > - line 106: invalid character in binary or hexadecimal string > - change single quotes (binary) to double quotes (string) in DEFVAL > - line 107: Conflicting registrations "pdmDeviceProjector" and > "pdmGeneralProductName" > - reuse of "{ pdmMIBObjects 1 }" > > * and much more of the same > - SNMP MIB clauses MUST NOT be in wrong order > - OIDs MUST NOT be reused > - names longer than 31 characters are dangerous > - type (SYNTAX) names MUST NOT start with lowercase (e.g., > "pdmCtlrFirmwareUpgradeableTC") > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 work: +1-906-494-2434 home: +1-906-494-2697 email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Fri Nov 16 17:37:31 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:04 2009 Subject: PDM> REMINDER OF CONCALL Monday-Tuesday at new time: 6PM CT, 4PM PT, 9AM Tokyo, 8AM Singapore Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E467@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> P R O J E C T O R & D I S P L A Y M A N A G E M E N T W G Projector & Display Management Working Group conference call REMINDER of Concall 2007/11/19-20 -------- -- ------- ------------- ============================================================== NOTE THE NEW MEETING TIME: EVERYONE IS ONE HOUR EARLIER NOW! ============================================================== The next meeting (by conference call) of this working group will be held on Monday PM (US) / Tuesday AM (Asia), 2007 Nov. 11/19-20. Time: US Central Time (Austin, Dallas) Monday, 19 Nov 2007, 6 PM - 7 US Pacific Time (Seattle) Monday, 19 Nov 2007, 4 PM - 5 US Eastern Time (New Jersey) Monday, 19 Nov 2007, 7 PM - 8 Tokyo Tuesday, 20 Nov 2007, 9 AM - 10 Singapore, Taiwan Tuesday, 20 Nov 2007, 8 AM - 9 Agenda: ------ PLEASE READ THE MINUTES ABOUT NEW MEETING TIMES AND DATES! ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/minutes/minutes-20071112.doc Long names - Decide what to do with names that are too long for SNMP. See the new file "skeleton-final-names-too-long.txt" for a list of the problems. Devin has already fixed two of the groups. Ira fixed Localization. Others still need work. Review remaining groups - The last two, I hope: Filter and Audio. DefaultValues - PLEASE clean up the DefaultValues in almost all groups. MIB translation - Check corrections to translation from XML to MIB. - What progress have we made to get to a publishable v1 MIB? And what remains? Telephone bridge details: --------- ------ ------- - US toll-free 1-866-917-7696 - from outside US +1-517-345-1887 - Participant passcode 3524129 # Live Meeting URL: ---- ------- --- https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/dell/join?id=Projector+%26+Display+Mgt+St ds&role=attend&pw=PDM-PWG Note: when LiveMeeting requests "Name" on the first sign-in screen, it wants only a human-consumable version of your name, so that others can see who is in the meeting. Example: "Rick Landau (Dell)" File storage area on PWG web site: ---- ------- ---- -- --- --- ---- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm PDM WIKI on the PWG Wiki Site: --- ---- -- --- --- ---- ---- http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/PDM Please take a look at the page, and bookmark it. And edit it if you see something wrong or want to include additional information. Yes, you have the privilege to edit the wiki. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20071116/05faafd0/attachment.html From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Fri Nov 16 18:12:29 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:04 2009 Subject: PDM> New files on FTP Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E468@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Improved, I hope, MIB translation. in ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/ we have new skeleton-final.mib skeleton-final-names-too-long.txt xsl-mib-fragments-20071115.zip xsl-mib-translate-20071115.zip Ira, I think this MIB fixes the problems with clause order and duplicate OIDs. There are improved still rough DEFVALs and some bad enums; I hope the original authors will fix them soon. Please give it/them a turn thru various compilers to see how much crud remains. Thanks. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20071116/07c2adce/attachment.html From ReRogers at SYMON.com Fri Nov 16 19:19:04 2007 From: ReRogers at SYMON.com (Raymond Rogers) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:04 2009 Subject: PDM> New files on FTP In-Reply-To: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E468@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> References: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E468@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Message-ID: Rick, Here is part of the output from my MIB compiler. One thing that stands out is that the "SYNTAX integer" phrase in the textual-conventions should be "SYNTAX INTEGER", Ira would you verify this please. Most of the other errors seem to be based on problems in the XML source. E:\SKELET~1.MIB(42) : Warning 20 : Node "pwg" with OID "1.3.6.1.4.1.2699" created E:\SKELET~1.MIB(42) : Warning 20 : Node "mibs" with OID "1.3.6.1.4.1.2699.1" created E:\SKELET~1.MIB(77) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(93) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(113) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(127) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(139) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(154) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(167) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(168) : Warning 6 : Item "True" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(169) : Warning 6 : Item "False" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(180) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(190) : Warning 6 : Item "Zoom" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(191) : Warning 6 : Item "Letterbox" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(191) : Error 19 : Missing "(" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(191) : Error 19 : Missing ")" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(191) : Warning 6 : Item ":" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(191) : Error 19 : Missing "(" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(191) : Error 19 : Missing ")" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(191) : Warning 6 : Item "(" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(191) : Error 19 : Missing "(" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(192) : Warning 6 : Item "Widescreen" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(192) : Error 19 : Missing "(" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(192) : Error 19 : Missing ")" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(192) : Warning 6 : Item ":" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(192) : Error 19 : Missing "(" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(192) : Error 19 : Missing ")" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(192) : Warning 6 : Item "(" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(192) : Error 19 : Missing "(" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(193) : Warning 6 : Item "Crop" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(194) : Warning 6 : Item "Window" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(194) : Error 19 : Missing "(" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(194) : Error 19 : Missing ")" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(194) : Warning 6 : Item ":" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(194) : Error 19 : Missing "(" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(194) : Error 19 : Missing ")" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(194) : Warning 6 : Item "(" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(194) : Error 19 : Missing "(" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(195) : Warning 6 : Item "Fill" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(195) : Error 19 : Missing "(" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(195) : Error 19 : Missing ")" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(195) : Warning 6 : Item ":" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(195) : Error 19 : Missing "(" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(195) : Error 19 : Missing ")" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(195) : Warning 6 : Item "(" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(195) : Error 19 : Missing "(" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(196) : Warning 6 : Item "Fullscreen" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(197) : Warning 6 : Item "Stadium" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(204) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(206) : Warning 6 : Item "6300" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(206) : Error 19 : Missing "(" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(206) : Error 6 : Invalid number E:\SKELET~1.MIB(206) : Error 19 : Missing ")" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(207) : Warning 6 : Item "7200" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(207) : Error 19 : Missing "(" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(207) : Error 6 : Invalid number E:\SKELET~1.MIB(207) : Error 19 : Missing ")" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(208) : Warning 6 : Item "9300" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(208) : Error 19 : Missing "(" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(208) : Error 6 : Invalid number E:\SKELET~1.MIB(208) : Error 19 : Missing ")" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(217) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(218) : Warning 6 : Item "High" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(219) : Warning 6 : Item "Normal" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(220) : Warning 6 : Item "Low" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(221) : Warning 6 : Item "Other" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(228) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(229) : Warning 6 : Item "Alive" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(230) : Warning 6 : Item "Not" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(230) : Error 19 : Missing "(" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(230) : Error 6 : Invalid number E:\SKELET~1.MIB(230) : Error 19 : Missing ")" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(230) : Warning 6 : Item "Alive" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(239) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(253) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(268) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(281) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(294) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(305) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(318) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(346) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(366) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(376) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(65) : Warning 15 : Size already defined E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique E:\SKELET~1.MIB(204) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique E:\SKELET~1.MIB(204) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique E:\SKELET~1.MIB(204) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique E:\SKELET~1.MIB(228) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique Regards, Raymond Rogers Symon Communications, Inc. (972)543-9586 From: owner-pdm@pwg.org [mailto:owner-pdm@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Richard_Landau@Dell.com Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 5:12 PM To: pdm@pwg.org Subject: PDM> New files on FTP Improved, I hope, MIB translation. in ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/ we have new skeleton-final.mib skeleton-final-names-too-long.txt xsl-mib-fragments-20071115.zip xsl-mib-translate-20071115.zip Ira, I think this MIB fixes the problems with clause order and duplicate OIDs. There are improved still rough DEFVALs and some bad enums; I hope the original authors will fix them soon. Please give it/them a turn thru various compilers to see how much crud remains. Thanks. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 Notice of Confidentiality: This transmission contains information that may be confidential and that may also be privileged. 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One thing that stands out is that the ?SYNTAX integer? phrase in the textual-conventions should be ?SYNTAX INTEGER?, Ira would you verify this please. Most of the other errors seem to be based on problems in the XML source. E:\SKELET~1.MIB(42) : Warning 20 : Node "pwg" with OID "1.3.6.1.4.1.2699" created E:\SKELET~1.MIB(42) : Warning 20 : Node "mibs" with OID "1.3.6.1.4.1.2699.1" created E:\SKELET~1.MIB(77) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(93) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(113) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(127) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(139) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(154) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(167) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(168) : Warning 6 : Item "True" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(169) : Warning 6 : Item "False" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(180) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(190) : Warning 6 : Item "Zoom" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(191) : Warning 6 : Item "Letterbox" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(191) : Error 19 : Missing "(" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(191) : Error 19 : Missing ")" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(191) : Warning 6 : Item ":" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(191) : Error 19 : Missing "(" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(191) : Error 19 : Missing ")" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(191) : Warning 6 : Item "(" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(191) : Error 19 : Missing "(" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(192) : Warning 6 : Item "Widescreen" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(192) : Error 19 : Missing "(" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(192) : Error 19 : Missing ")" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(192) : Warning 6 : Item ":" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(192) : Error 19 : Missing "(" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(192) : Error 19 : Missing ")" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(192) : Warning 6 : Item "(" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(192) : Error 19 : Missing "(" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(193) : Warning 6 : Item "Crop" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(194) : Warning 6 : Item "Window" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(194) : Error 19 : Missing "(" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(194) : Error 19 : Missing ")" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(194) : Warning 6 : Item ":" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(194) : Error 19 : Missing "(" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(194) : Error 19 : Missing ")" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(194) : Warning 6 : Item "(" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(194) : Error 19 : Missing "(" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(195) : Warning 6 : Item "Fill" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(195) : Error 19 : Missing "(" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(195) : Error 19 : Missing ")" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(195) : Warning 6 : Item ":" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(195) : Error 19 : Missing "(" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(195) : Error 19 : Missing ")" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(195) : Warning 6 : Item "(" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(195) : Error 19 : Missing "(" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(196) : Warning 6 : Item "Fullscreen" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(197) : Warning 6 : Item "Stadium" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(204) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(206) : Warning 6 : Item "6300" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(206) : Error 19 : Missing "(" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(206) : Error 6 : Invalid number E:\SKELET~1.MIB(206) : Error 19 : Missing ")" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(207) : Warning 6 : Item "7200" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(207) : Error 19 : Missing "(" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(207) : Error 6 : Invalid number E:\SKELET~1.MIB(207) : Error 19 : Missing ")" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(208) : Warning 6 : Item "9300" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(208) : Error 19 : Missing "(" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(208) : Error 6 : Invalid number E:\SKELET~1.MIB(208) : Error 19 : Missing ")" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(217) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(218) : Warning 6 : Item "High" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(219) : Warning 6 : Item "Normal" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(220) : Warning 6 : Item "Low" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(221) : Warning 6 : Item "Other" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(228) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(229) : Warning 6 : Item "Alive" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(230) : Warning 6 : Item "Not" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(230) : Error 19 : Missing "(" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(230) : Error 6 : Invalid number E:\SKELET~1.MIB(230) : Error 19 : Missing ")" E:\SKELET~1.MIB(230) : Warning 6 : Item "Alive" must start with lowercase letter E:\SKELET~1.MIB(239) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(253) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(268) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(281) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(294) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(305) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(318) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(346) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(366) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(376) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported E:\SKELET~1.MIB(65) : Warning 15 : Size already defined E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique E:\SKELET~1.MIB(204) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique E:\SKELET~1.MIB(204) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique E:\SKELET~1.MIB(204) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique E:\SKELET~1.MIB(228) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique Regards, Raymond Rogers Symon Communications, Inc. (972)543-9586 From: owner-pdm@pwg.org [mailto:owner-pdm@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Richard_Landau@Dell.com Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 5:12 PM To: pdm@pwg.org Subject: PDM> New files on FTP Improved, I hope, MIB translation. in ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/ we have new skeleton-final.mib skeleton-final-names-too-long.txt xsl-mib-fragments-20071115.zip xsl-mib-translate-20071115.zip Ira, I think this MIB fixes the problems with clause order and duplicate OIDs. There are improved still rough DEFVALs and some bad enums; I hope the original authors will fix them soon. Please give it/them a turn thru various compilers to see how much crud remains. Thanks. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 Notice of Confidentiality: This transmission contains information that may be confidential and that may also be privileged. Unless you are the intended recipient of the message (or authorized to receive it for the intended recipient) you may not copy, forward, or otherwise use it, or disclose its contents to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify us immediately and delete it from your system. From blueroofmusic at gmail.com Sat Nov 17 13:03:55 2007 From: blueroofmusic at gmail.com (Ira McDonald) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:04 2009 Subject: PDM> New files on FTP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Yes, I requested Rick change "integer" -> "INTEGER" in my previous review. All underlying ASN.1 types are always uppercase. And all tokens in ASN.1 productions are case-sensitive. Cheers, - Ira On Nov 16, 2007 7:32 PM, wrote: > > Raymond, > > You are correct. Use "INTEGER" (upper case). > > Regards, > Ron Bergman > > > "Raymond Rogers" > om> To > Sent by: , "Ira > owner-pdm@pwg.org McDonald" > cc > > 11/16/2007 04:19 Subject > PM RE: PDM> New files on FTP > > > > > > > > > > > > Rick, > Here is part of the output from my MIB compiler. > > One thing that stands out is that the "SYNTAX integer" phrase in the > textual-conventions should be "SYNTAX INTEGER", Ira would you verify this > please. Most of the other errors seem to be based on problems in the XML > source. > > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(42) : Warning 20 : Node "pwg" with OID "1.3.6.1.4.1.2699" > created > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(42) : Warning 20 : Node "mibs" with OID > "1.3.6.1.4.1.2699.1" created > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(77) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(93) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(113) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(127) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(139) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(154) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(167) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(168) : Warning 6 : Item "True" must start with lowercase > letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(169) : Warning 6 : Item "False" must start with lowercase > letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(180) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(190) : Warning 6 : Item "Zoom" must start with lowercase > letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(191) : Warning 6 : Item "Letterbox" must start with > lowercase letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(191) : Error 19 : Missing "(" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(191) : Error 19 : Missing ")" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(191) : Warning 6 : Item ":" must start with lowercase > letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(191) : Error 19 : Missing "(" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(191) : Error 19 : Missing ")" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(191) : Warning 6 : Item "(" must start with lowercase > letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(191) : Error 19 : Missing "(" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(192) : Warning 6 : Item "Widescreen" must start with > lowercase letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(192) : Error 19 : Missing "(" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(192) : Error 19 : Missing ")" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(192) : Warning 6 : Item ":" must start with lowercase > letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(192) : Error 19 : Missing "(" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(192) : Error 19 : Missing ")" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(192) : Warning 6 : Item "(" must start with lowercase > letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(192) : Error 19 : Missing "(" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(193) : Warning 6 : Item "Crop" must start with lowercase > letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(194) : Warning 6 : Item "Window" must start with lowercase > letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(194) : Error 19 : Missing "(" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(194) : Error 19 : Missing ")" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(194) : Warning 6 : Item ":" must start with lowercase > letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(194) : Error 19 : Missing "(" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(194) : Error 19 : Missing ")" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(194) : Warning 6 : Item "(" must start with lowercase > letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(194) : Error 19 : Missing "(" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(195) : Warning 6 : Item "Fill" must start with lowercase > letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(195) : Error 19 : Missing "(" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(195) : Error 19 : Missing ")" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(195) : Warning 6 : Item ":" must start with lowercase > letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(195) : Error 19 : Missing "(" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(195) : Error 19 : Missing ")" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(195) : Warning 6 : Item "(" must start with lowercase > letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(195) : Error 19 : Missing "(" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(196) : Warning 6 : Item "Fullscreen" must start with > lowercase letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(197) : Warning 6 : Item "Stadium" must start with > lowercase letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(204) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(206) : Warning 6 : Item "6300" must start with lowercase > letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(206) : Error 19 : Missing "(" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(206) : Error 6 : Invalid number > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(206) : Error 19 : Missing ")" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(207) : Warning 6 : Item "7200" must start with lowercase > letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(207) : Error 19 : Missing "(" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(207) : Error 6 : Invalid number > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(207) : Error 19 : Missing ")" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(208) : Warning 6 : Item "9300" must start with lowercase > letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(208) : Error 19 : Missing "(" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(208) : Error 6 : Invalid number > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(208) : Error 19 : Missing ")" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(217) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(218) : Warning 6 : Item "High" must start with lowercase > letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(219) : Warning 6 : Item "Normal" must start with lowercase > letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(220) : Warning 6 : Item "Low" must start with lowercase > letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(221) : Warning 6 : Item "Other" must start with lowercase > letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(228) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(229) : Warning 6 : Item "Alive" must start with lowercase > letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(230) : Warning 6 : Item "Not" must start with lowercase > letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(230) : Error 19 : Missing "(" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(230) : Error 6 : Invalid number > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(230) : Error 19 : Missing ")" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(230) : Warning 6 : Item "Alive" must start with lowercase > letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(239) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(253) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(268) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(281) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(294) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(305) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(318) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(346) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(366) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(376) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(65) : Warning 15 : Size already defined > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(204) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(204) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(204) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(228) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique > > Regards, > Raymond Rogers > Symon Communications, Inc. > (972)543-9586 > > From: owner-pdm@pwg.org [mailto:owner-pdm@pwg.org] On Behalf Of > Richard_Landau@Dell.com > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 5:12 PM > To: pdm@pwg.org > Subject: PDM> New files on FTP > > > > Improved, I hope, MIB translation. > > > in ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/ we have new > skeleton-final.mib > skeleton-final-names-too-long.txt > xsl-mib-fragments-20071115.zip > xsl-mib-translate-20071115.zip > > > Ira, I think this MIB fixes the problems with clause order and duplicate > OIDs. There are improved still rough DEFVALs and some bad enums; I hope > the original authors will fix them soon. Please give it/them a turn thru > various compilers to see how much crud remains. Thanks. > > > rick > ---------------------- > Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office > +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 > > > > Notice of Confidentiality: This transmission contains information that may > be confidential and that may also be privileged. Unless you are the > intended recipient of the message (or authorized to receive it for the > intended recipient) you may not copy, forward, or otherwise use it, or > disclose its contents to anyone else. If you have received this > transmission in error, please notify us immediately and delete it from your > system. > > > -- Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 work: +1-906-494-2434 home: +1-906-494-2697 email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Nov 19 11:33:30 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:04 2009 Subject: PDM> New files on FTP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E46A@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Ayup, sorry, I missed that one amid the blizzard of other problems. I will fix that for sure today, and I will try to get to some of the enum spelling problems, too. Look for a new one this afternoon. rick -----Original Message----- From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 12:04 To: Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com; Ira McDonald Cc: Raymond Rogers; owner-pdm@pwg.org; pdm@pwg.org; Landau, Richard Subject: Re: PDM> New files on FTP Hi, Yes, I requested Rick change "integer" -> "INTEGER" in my previous review. All underlying ASN.1 types are always uppercase. And all tokens in ASN.1 productions are case-sensitive. Cheers, - Ira On Nov 16, 2007 7:32 PM, wrote: > > Raymond, > > You are correct. Use "INTEGER" (upper case). > > Regards, > Ron Bergman > > > "Raymond Rogers" > om> To > Sent by: , "Ira > owner-pdm@pwg.org McDonald" > cc > > 11/16/2007 04:19 Subject > PM RE: PDM> New files on FTP > > > > > > > > > > > > Rick, > Here is part of the output from my MIB compiler. > > One thing that stands out is that the "SYNTAX integer" phrase in the > textual-conventions should be "SYNTAX INTEGER", Ira would you verify > this please. Most of the other errors seem to be based on problems in > the XML source. > > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(42) : Warning 20 : Node "pwg" with OID "1.3.6.1.4.1.2699" > created > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(42) : Warning 20 : Node "mibs" with OID > "1.3.6.1.4.1.2699.1" created > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(77) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(93) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(113) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(127) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(139) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(154) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(167) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(168) : Warning 6 : Item "True" must start with > lowercase letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(169) : Warning 6 : Item "False" must start with > lowercase letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(180) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(190) : Warning 6 : Item "Zoom" must start with > lowercase letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(191) : Warning 6 : Item "Letterbox" must start with > lowercase letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(191) : Error 19 : Missing "(" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(191) : Error 19 : Missing ")" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(191) : Warning 6 : Item ":" must start with lowercase > letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(191) : Error 19 : Missing "(" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(191) : Error 19 : Missing ")" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(191) : Warning 6 : Item "(" must start with lowercase > letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(191) : Error 19 : Missing "(" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(192) : Warning 6 : Item "Widescreen" must start with > lowercase letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(192) : Error 19 : Missing "(" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(192) : Error 19 : Missing ")" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(192) : Warning 6 : Item ":" must start with lowercase > letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(192) : Error 19 : Missing "(" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(192) : Error 19 : Missing ")" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(192) : Warning 6 : Item "(" must start with lowercase > letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(192) : Error 19 : Missing "(" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(193) : Warning 6 : Item "Crop" must start with > lowercase letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(194) : Warning 6 : Item "Window" must start with > lowercase letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(194) : Error 19 : Missing "(" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(194) : Error 19 : Missing ")" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(194) : Warning 6 : Item ":" must start with lowercase > letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(194) : Error 19 : Missing "(" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(194) : Error 19 : Missing ")" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(194) : Warning 6 : Item "(" must start with lowercase > letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(194) : Error 19 : Missing "(" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(195) : Warning 6 : Item "Fill" must start with > lowercase letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(195) : Error 19 : Missing "(" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(195) : Error 19 : Missing ")" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(195) : Warning 6 : Item ":" must start with lowercase > letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(195) : Error 19 : Missing "(" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(195) : Error 19 : Missing ")" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(195) : Warning 6 : Item "(" must start with lowercase > letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(195) : Error 19 : Missing "(" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(196) : Warning 6 : Item "Fullscreen" must start with > lowercase letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(197) : Warning 6 : Item "Stadium" must start with > lowercase letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(204) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(206) : Warning 6 : Item "6300" must start with > lowercase letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(206) : Error 19 : Missing "(" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(206) : Error 6 : Invalid number > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(206) : Error 19 : Missing ")" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(207) : Warning 6 : Item "7200" must start with > lowercase letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(207) : Error 19 : Missing "(" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(207) : Error 6 : Invalid number > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(207) : Error 19 : Missing ")" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(208) : Warning 6 : Item "9300" must start with > lowercase letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(208) : Error 19 : Missing "(" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(208) : Error 6 : Invalid number > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(208) : Error 19 : Missing ")" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(217) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(218) : Warning 6 : Item "High" must start with > lowercase letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(219) : Warning 6 : Item "Normal" must start with > lowercase letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(220) : Warning 6 : Item "Low" must start with > lowercase letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(221) : Warning 6 : Item "Other" must start with > lowercase letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(228) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(229) : Warning 6 : Item "Alive" must start with > lowercase letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(230) : Warning 6 : Item "Not" must start with > lowercase letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(230) : Error 19 : Missing "(" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(230) : Error 6 : Invalid number > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(230) : Error 19 : Missing ")" > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(230) : Warning 6 : Item "Alive" must start with > lowercase letter > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(239) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(253) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(268) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(281) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(294) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(305) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(318) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(346) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(366) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(376) : Error 23 : Item "integer" is not defined or > imported > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(65) : Warning 15 : Size already defined > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(189) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(204) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(204) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(204) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique > E:\SKELET~1.MIB(228) : Warning 19 : Enumerated list is not unique > > Regards, > Raymond Rogers > Symon Communications, Inc. > (972)543-9586 > > From: owner-pdm@pwg.org [mailto:owner-pdm@pwg.org] On Behalf Of > Richard_Landau@Dell.com > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 5:12 PM > To: pdm@pwg.org > Subject: PDM> New files on FTP > > > > Improved, I hope, MIB translation. > > > in ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/ we have new > skeleton-final.mib skeleton-final-names-too-long.txt > xsl-mib-fragments-20071115.zip xsl-mib-translate-20071115.zip > > > Ira, I think this MIB fixes the problems with clause order and duplicate > OIDs. There are improved still rough DEFVALs and some bad enums; I hope > the original authors will fix them soon. Please give it/them a turn thru > various compilers to see how much crud remains. Thanks. > > > rick > ---------------------- > Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office > +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 > > > > Notice of Confidentiality: This transmission contains information that may > be confidential and that may also be privileged. Unless you are the > intended recipient of the message (or authorized to receive it for the > intended recipient) you may not copy, forward, or otherwise use it, or > disclose its contents to anyone else. If you have received this > transmission in error, please notify us immediately and delete it from your > system. > > > -- Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 work: +1-906-494-2434 home: +1-906-494-2697 email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Nov 19 13:43:51 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:04 2009 Subject: PDM> REMINDER OF CONCALL TODAY Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E470@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> P R O J E C T O R & D I S P L A Y M A N A G E M E N T W G Projector & Display Management Working Group conference call REMINDER of Concall 2007/11/19-20 -------- -- ------- ------------- ============================================================== NOTE THE NEW MEETING TIME: EVERYONE IS ONE HOUR EARLIER NOW! ============================================================== The next meeting (by conference call) of this working group will be held on Monday PM (US) / Tuesday AM (Asia), 2007 Nov. 11/19-20. Time: US Central Time (Austin, Dallas) Monday, 19 Nov 2007, 6 PM - 7 US Pacific Time (Seattle) Monday, 19 Nov 2007, 4 PM - 5 US Eastern Time (New Jersey) Monday, 19 Nov 2007, 7 PM - 8 Tokyo Tuesday, 20 Nov 2007, 9 AM - 10 Singapore, Taiwan Tuesday, 20 Nov 2007, 8 AM - 9 Agenda: ------ PLEASE READ THE MINUTES ABOUT NEW MEETING TIMES AND DATES! Long names - Decide what to do with names that are too long for SNMP. See the new file "skeleton-final-names-too-long.txt" for a list of the problems. Devin has already fixed two of the groups. Ira fixed Localization. Others still need work. Review remaining groups - The last two, I hope: Filter and Audio. DefaultValues - PLEASE clean up the DefaultValues in almost all groups. MIB translation - Check corrections to translation from XML to MIB. - What progress have we made to get to a publishable v1 MIB? And what remains? Telephone bridge details: --------- ------ ------- - US toll-free 1-866-917-7696 - from outside US +1-517-345-1887 - Participant passcode 3524129 # Live Meeting URL: ---- ------- --- https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/dell/join?id=Projector+%26+Display+Mgt+St ds&role=attend&pw=PDM-PWG Note: when LiveMeeting requests "Name" on the first sign-in screen, it wants only a human-consumable version of your name, so that others can see who is in the meeting. Example: "Rick Landau (Dell)" File storage area on PWG web site: ---- ------- ---- -- --- --- ---- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm PDM WIKI on the PWG Wiki Site: --- ---- -- --- --- ---- ---- http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/PDM Please take a look at the page, and bookmark it. And edit it if you see something wrong or want to include additional information. Yes, you have the privilege to edit the wiki. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20071119/e8d6622a/attachment.html From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Nov 19 17:14:50 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:04 2009 Subject: PDM> New files on ftp Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E473@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> In the usual directory, ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/ 1. Find the usual end product files: skeleton-final.mib and skeleton-final-names-too-long.txt and the MIB divided into two, manually for now: skeleton-final-mib.mib skeleton-final-tc.mib Ira and Raymond, please try to compile these. There are still some problems with enums in PwrSt and maybe the Thernal groups, but Nick is on vacation this week, and I am out of time. 2. Several XMLs changed, too. I edited these to remove long names, bad enum values starting with caps or numbers, etc.: DisplayCap_v11.xml which used to be DisplayCapability; had to shorten the name. LightSource_v08.xml DisplaySetting_v13.xml Devin and Koichi, when you edit these files further in the future, please start from the versions that are on the FTP site. Otherwise, you will lose the edits that I have already made. Talk to you all later, I hope. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20071119/b266d851/attachment.html From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Tue Nov 20 18:44:32 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:04 2009 Subject: PDM> Many new files on FTP. Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E47F@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> All in ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/ Groups with corrections and name changes.: DisplaySet_v14.xml formerly DisplaySetting Alert_v05.xml Power_v12.xml formerly PwrSt Button_v07.xml Fan_V10.xml previously misnamed Please note, again, that the filename, group name, and table name, if any, must all match. New MIB draft, individual MIBs, long name warnings:: skeleton-final.mib skeleton-final-tc.mib skeleton-final-mib.mib skeleton-final-names-too-long.mib And ZIP archives of the whole mess xsl-mib-translate-20071120.zip xsl-mib-fragments-20071120.zip This should fix many of the problems inhibiting compiling, but maybe not quite all. Please try it and let me know the results. Have a good Thanksgiving holiday. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20071120/a98d8577/attachment.html From ReRogers at SYMON.com Tue Nov 20 20:30:34 2007 From: ReRogers at SYMON.com (Raymond Rogers) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:04 2009 Subject: PDM> Many new files on FTP. In-Reply-To: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E47F@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> References: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E47F@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Message-ID: I Still see one problem. Below is the output from the compiler. SKELET~4.MIB(71) : Warning 21 : Node "pwg" with OID "1.3.6.1.4.1.2699" created SKELET~4.MIB(71) : Warning 21 : Node "mibs" with OID "1.3.6.1.4.1.2699.1" created SKELET~4.MIB(516) : Error 19 : Missing "}" SKELET~4.MIB(516) : Error 20 : Expected "::=" but found "{" 516 source lines. 2 error(s), 4 warning(s) Compilation failed. Done. The DEFVAL in pdmPowerTargetState is malformed. It looks like it could not figure out part of the XML source. Regards, Raymond Rogers Symon Communications, Inc. (972)543-9586 From: owner-pdm@pwg.org [mailto:owner-pdm@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Richard_Landau@Dell.com Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 5:45 PM To: pdm@pwg.org Subject: PDM> Many new files on FTP. All in ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/ Groups with corrections and name changes.: DisplaySet_v14.xml formerly DisplaySetting Alert_v05.xml Power_v12.xml formerly PwrSt Button_v07.xml Fan_V10.xml previously misnamed Please note, again, that the filename, group name, and table name, if any, must all match. New MIB draft, individual MIBs, long name warnings:: skeleton-final.mib skeleton-final-tc.mib skeleton-final-mib.mib skeleton-final-names-too-long.mib And ZIP archives of the whole mess xsl-mib-translate-20071120.zip xsl-mib-fragments-20071120.zip This should fix many of the problems inhibiting compiling, but maybe not quite all. Please try it and let me know the results. Have a good Thanksgiving holiday. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 Notice of Confidentiality: This transmission contains information that may be confidential and that may also be privileged. Unless you are the intended recipient of the message (or authorized to receive it for the intended recipient) you may not copy, forward, or otherwise use it, or disclose its contents to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify us immediately and delete it from your system. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20071120/92b705d8/attachment.html From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Wed Nov 21 18:00:02 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:04 2009 Subject: PDM> Many new files on FTP. In-Reply-To: References: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E47F@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E481@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Thanks, Raymond. Close but still no cigar just yet. Yes, I had removed a comment from the middle of the DefaultValue element, but I missed the closing "-->" string. Fixed. If that's the only remaining problem, we are in good shape. I fixed that, and one other minor problem, and reposted the MIB files. Please try again, and, if it compiles with no errors, break out the (cheap) champagne. New files: in the objects directory, as usual, skeleton-final.mib skeleton-final-tc.mib skeleton-final-mib.mib skeleton-final-names-too-long.mib And repairs to the offending groups. Power_v13.xml General_v09.xml rick PS: Ira, if you can slip me that freely redistributable MIB compiler you mentioned, I can catch some of these errors before I inflict them on others. ________________________________ From: Raymond Rogers [mailto:ReRogers@SYMON.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 19:31 To: Landau, Richard; pdm@pwg.org Subject: RE: PDM> Many new files on FTP. I Still see one problem. Below is the output from the compiler. SKELET~4.MIB(71) : Warning 21 : Node "pwg" with OID "1.3.6.1.4.1.2699" created SKELET~4.MIB(71) : Warning 21 : Node "mibs" with OID "1.3.6.1.4.1.2699.1" created SKELET~4.MIB(516) : Error 19 : Missing "}" SKELET~4.MIB(516) : Error 20 : Expected "::=" but found "{" 516 source lines. 2 error(s), 4 warning(s) Compilation failed. Done. The DEFVAL in pdmPowerTargetState is malformed. It looks like it could not figure out part of the XML source. Regards, Raymond Rogers Symon Communications, Inc. (972)543-9586 From: owner-pdm@pwg.org [mailto:owner-pdm@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Richard_Landau@Dell.com Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 5:45 PM To: pdm@pwg.org Subject: PDM> Many new files on FTP. All in ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/ Groups with corrections and name changes.: DisplaySet_v14.xml formerly DisplaySetting Alert_v05.xml Power_v12.xml formerly PwrSt Button_v07.xml Fan_V10.xml previously misnamed Please note, again, that the filename, group name, and table name, if any, must all match. New MIB draft, individual MIBs, long name warnings:: skeleton-final.mib skeleton-final-tc.mib skeleton-final-mib.mib skeleton-final-names-too-long.mib And ZIP archives of the whole mess xsl-mib-translate-20071120.zip xsl-mib-fragments-20071120.zip This should fix many of the problems inhibiting compiling, but maybe not quite all. Please try it and let me know the results. Have a good Thanksgiving holiday. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 Notice of Confidentiality: This transmission contains information that may be confidential and that may also be privileged. Unless you are the intended recipient of the message (or authorized to receive it for the intended recipient) you may not copy, forward, or otherwise use it, or disclose its contents to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify us immediately and delete it from your system. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20071121/e718b987/attachment.html From ReRogers at SYMON.com Wed Nov 21 19:38:27 2007 From: ReRogers at SYMON.com (Raymond Rogers) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:04 2009 Subject: PDM> Many new files on FTP. In-Reply-To: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E481@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> References: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E47F@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E481@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Message-ID: Rick, Here is the output from my compiler. C:\DOCUME~1\rerogers\MYDOCU~1\PROJEC~1\objects\SKELET~4.MIB(71) : Warning 21 : Node "pwg" with OID "1.3.6.1.4.1.2699" created C:\DOCUME~1\rerogers\MYDOCU~1\PROJEC~1\objects\SKELET~4.MIB(71) : Warning 21 : Node "mibs" with OID "1.3.6.1.4.1.2699.1" created C:\DOCUME~1\rerogers\MYDOCU~1\PROJEC~1\objects\SKELET~4.MIB(627) : Error 23 : Item "TruthValue" is not defined or imported C:\DOCUME~1\rerogers\MYDOCU~1\PROJEC~1\objects\SKELET~4.MIB(684) : Error 23 : Item "TruthValue" is not defined or imported C:\DOCUME~1\rerogers\MYDOCU~1\PROJEC~1\objects\SKELET~4.MIB(1459) : Error 23 : Item "TruthValue" is not defined or imported C:\DOCUME~1\rerogers\MYDOCU~1\PROJEC~1\objects\SKELET~4.MIB(1522) : Error 23 : Item "TruthValue" is not defined or imported C:\DOCUME~1\rerogers\MYDOCU~1\PROJEC~1\objects\SKELET~4.MIB(1811) : Error 23 : Item "TruthValue" is not defined or imported C:\DOCUME~1\rerogers\MYDOCU~1\PROJEC~1\objects\SKELET~4.MIB(1837) : Error 23 : Item "TruthValue" is not defined or imported C:\DOCUME~1\rerogers\MYDOCU~1\PROJEC~1\objects\SKELET~4.MIB(1651) : Warning 18 : Min is greater than max C:\DOCUME~1\rerogers\MYDOCU~1\PROJEC~1\objects\SKELET~4.MIB(1627) : Warning 18 : Min is greater than max 2043 source lines. 6 error(s), 6 warning(s) Compilation failed. Done. Regards, Raymond Rogers Symon Communications, Inc. (972)543-9586 From: Richard_Landau@Dell.com [mailto:Richard_Landau@Dell.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 5:00 PM To: Raymond Rogers; pdm@pwg.org Subject: RE: PDM> Many new files on FTP. Thanks, Raymond. Close but still no cigar just yet. Yes, I had removed a comment from the middle of the DefaultValue element, but I missed the closing "-->" string. Fixed. If that's the only remaining problem, we are in good shape. I fixed that, and one other minor problem, and reposted the MIB files. Please try again, and, if it compiles with no errors, break out the (cheap) champagne. New files: in the objects directory, as usual, skeleton-final.mib skeleton-final-tc.mib skeleton-final-mib.mib skeleton-final-names-too-long.mib And repairs to the offending groups. Power_v13.xml General_v09.xml rick PS: Ira, if you can slip me that freely redistributable MIB compiler you mentioned, I can catch some of these errors before I inflict them on others. ________________________________ From: Raymond Rogers [mailto:ReRogers@SYMON.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 19:31 To: Landau, Richard; pdm@pwg.org Subject: RE: PDM> Many new files on FTP. I Still see one problem. Below is the output from the compiler. SKELET~4.MIB(71) : Warning 21 : Node "pwg" with OID "1.3.6.1.4.1.2699" created SKELET~4.MIB(71) : Warning 21 : Node "mibs" with OID "1.3.6.1.4.1.2699.1" created SKELET~4.MIB(516) : Error 19 : Missing "}" SKELET~4.MIB(516) : Error 20 : Expected "::=" but found "{" 516 source lines. 2 error(s), 4 warning(s) Compilation failed. Done. The DEFVAL in pdmPowerTargetState is malformed. It looks like it could not figure out part of the XML source. Regards, Raymond Rogers Symon Communications, Inc. (972)543-9586 From: owner-pdm@pwg.org [mailto:owner-pdm@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Richard_Landau@Dell.com Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 5:45 PM To: pdm@pwg.org Subject: PDM> Many new files on FTP. All in ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/ Groups with corrections and name changes.: DisplaySet_v14.xml formerly DisplaySetting Alert_v05.xml Power_v12.xml formerly PwrSt Button_v07.xml Fan_V10.xml previously misnamed Please note, again, that the filename, group name, and table name, if any, must all match. New MIB draft, individual MIBs, long name warnings:: skeleton-final.mib skeleton-final-tc.mib skeleton-final-mib.mib skeleton-final-names-too-long.mib And ZIP archives of the whole mess xsl-mib-translate-20071120.zip xsl-mib-fragments-20071120.zip This should fix many of the problems inhibiting compiling, but maybe not quite all. Please try it and let me know the results. Have a good Thanksgiving holiday. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 Notice of Confidentiality: This transmission contains information that may be confidential and that may also be privileged. Unless you are the intended recipient of the message (or authorized to receive it for the intended recipient) you may not copy, forward, or otherwise use it, or disclose its contents to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify us immediately and delete it from your system. Notice of Confidentiality: This transmission contains information that may be confidential and that may also be privileged. Unless you are the intended recipient of the message (or authorized to receive it for the intended recipient) you may not copy, forward, or otherwise use it, or disclose its contents to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify us immediately and delete it from your system. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20071121/c2dd6c49/attachment.html From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Nov 26 13:31:00 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:04 2009 Subject: PDM> Many new files on FTP. In-Reply-To: References: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E47F@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E481@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E489@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Thanks. Apparently I regressed on the TruthValue import, which was in there sometime in the past. I will put it back in and present a new version in short order. rick ________________________________ From: Raymond Rogers [mailto:ReRogers@SYMON.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 18:38 To: Landau, Richard; pdm@pwg.org Subject: RE: PDM> Many new files on FTP. Rick, Here is the output from my compiler. C:\DOCUME~1\rerogers\MYDOCU~1\PROJEC~1\objects\SKELET~4.MIB(71) : Warning 21 : Node "pwg" with OID "1.3.6.1.4.1.2699" created C:\DOCUME~1\rerogers\MYDOCU~1\PROJEC~1\objects\SKELET~4.MIB(71) : Warning 21 : Node "mibs" with OID "1.3.6.1.4.1.2699.1" created C:\DOCUME~1\rerogers\MYDOCU~1\PROJEC~1\objects\SKELET~4.MIB(627) : Error 23 : Item "TruthValue" is not defined or imported C:\DOCUME~1\rerogers\MYDOCU~1\PROJEC~1\objects\SKELET~4.MIB(684) : Error 23 : Item "TruthValue" is not defined or imported C:\DOCUME~1\rerogers\MYDOCU~1\PROJEC~1\objects\SKELET~4.MIB(1459) : Error 23 : Item "TruthValue" is not defined or imported C:\DOCUME~1\rerogers\MYDOCU~1\PROJEC~1\objects\SKELET~4.MIB(1522) : Error 23 : Item "TruthValue" is not defined or imported C:\DOCUME~1\rerogers\MYDOCU~1\PROJEC~1\objects\SKELET~4.MIB(1811) : Error 23 : Item "TruthValue" is not defined or imported C:\DOCUME~1\rerogers\MYDOCU~1\PROJEC~1\objects\SKELET~4.MIB(1837) : Error 23 : Item "TruthValue" is not defined or imported C:\DOCUME~1\rerogers\MYDOCU~1\PROJEC~1\objects\SKELET~4.MIB(1651) : Warning 18 : Min is greater than max C:\DOCUME~1\rerogers\MYDOCU~1\PROJEC~1\objects\SKELET~4.MIB(1627) : Warning 18 : Min is greater than max 2043 source lines. 6 error(s), 6 warning(s) Compilation failed. Done. Regards, Raymond Rogers Symon Communications, Inc. (972)543-9586 From: Richard_Landau@Dell.com [mailto:Richard_Landau@Dell.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 5:00 PM To: Raymond Rogers; pdm@pwg.org Subject: RE: PDM> Many new files on FTP. Thanks, Raymond. Close but still no cigar just yet. Yes, I had removed a comment from the middle of the DefaultValue element, but I missed the closing "-->" string. Fixed. If that's the only remaining problem, we are in good shape. I fixed that, and one other minor problem, and reposted the MIB files. Please try again, and, if it compiles with no errors, break out the (cheap) champagne. New files: in the objects directory, as usual, skeleton-final.mib skeleton-final-tc.mib skeleton-final-mib.mib skeleton-final-names-too-long.mib And repairs to the offending groups. Power_v13.xml General_v09.xml rick PS: Ira, if you can slip me that freely redistributable MIB compiler you mentioned, I can catch some of these errors before I inflict them on others. ________________________________ From: Raymond Rogers [mailto:ReRogers@SYMON.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 19:31 To: Landau, Richard; pdm@pwg.org Subject: RE: PDM> Many new files on FTP. I Still see one problem. Below is the output from the compiler. SKELET~4.MIB(71) : Warning 21 : Node "pwg" with OID "1.3.6.1.4.1.2699" created SKELET~4.MIB(71) : Warning 21 : Node "mibs" with OID "1.3.6.1.4.1.2699.1" created SKELET~4.MIB(516) : Error 19 : Missing "}" SKELET~4.MIB(516) : Error 20 : Expected "::=" but found "{" 516 source lines. 2 error(s), 4 warning(s) Compilation failed. Done. The DEFVAL in pdmPowerTargetState is malformed. It looks like it could not figure out part of the XML source. Regards, Raymond Rogers Symon Communications, Inc. (972)543-9586 From: owner-pdm@pwg.org [mailto:owner-pdm@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Richard_Landau@Dell.com Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 5:45 PM To: pdm@pwg.org Subject: PDM> Many new files on FTP. All in ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/ Groups with corrections and name changes.: DisplaySet_v14.xml formerly DisplaySetting Alert_v05.xml Power_v12.xml formerly PwrSt Button_v07.xml Fan_V10.xml previously misnamed Please note, again, that the filename, group name, and table name, if any, must all match. New MIB draft, individual MIBs, long name warnings:: skeleton-final.mib skeleton-final-tc.mib skeleton-final-mib.mib skeleton-final-names-too-long.mib And ZIP archives of the whole mess xsl-mib-translate-20071120.zip xsl-mib-fragments-20071120.zip This should fix many of the problems inhibiting compiling, but maybe not quite all. Please try it and let me know the results. Have a good Thanksgiving holiday. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 Notice of Confidentiality: This transmission contains information that may be confidential and that may also be privileged. Unless you are the intended recipient of the message (or authorized to receive it for the intended recipient) you may not copy, forward, or otherwise use it, or disclose its contents to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify us immediately and delete it from your system. Notice of Confidentiality: This transmission contains information that may be confidential and that may also be privileged. Unless you are the intended recipient of the message (or authorized to receive it for the intended recipient) you may not copy, forward, or otherwise use it, or disclose its contents to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify us immediately and delete it from your system. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20071126/81b2901a/attachment.html From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Nov 26 17:24:22 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:04 2009 Subject: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E491@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> I updated, on ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/ skeleton-final.mib skeleton-final-mib.mib skeleton-final-tc.mib skeleton-final-names-too-long.txt Please try again to compile the beast and let me know the results. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20071126/9e1854aa/attachment.html From ReRogers at SYMON.com Mon Nov 26 18:28:00 2007 From: ReRogers at SYMON.com (Raymond Rogers) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:04 2009 Subject: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. In-Reply-To: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E491@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> References: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E491@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Message-ID: 0 Errors 6 Warnings The warnings we care about are at lines 1651 and 1627 of skeleton-final-mib.mib, the max value of the range is missing. The other 4 warnings are because I don't have the pwg MIBs in my database and I get warnings like "Node "pwg" with OID "1.3.6.1.4.1.2699" created". Regards, Raymond Rogers Symon Communications, Inc. (972)543-9586 From: owner-pdm@pwg.org [mailto:owner-pdm@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Richard_Landau@Dell.com Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 4:24 PM To: pdm@pwg.org Subject: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. I updated, on ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/ skeleton-final.mib skeleton-final-mib.mib skeleton-final-tc.mib skeleton-final-names-too-long.txt Please try again to compile the beast and let me know the results. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 Notice of Confidentiality: This transmission contains information that may be confidential and that may also be privileged. Unless you are the intended recipient of the message (or authorized to receive it for the intended recipient) you may not copy, forward, or otherwise use it, or disclose its contents to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify us immediately and delete it from your system. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20071126/265f9f8d/attachment.html From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Nov 26 18:38:42 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:04 2009 Subject: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. In-Reply-To: References: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E491@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E494@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Yes, we will fix the max-is-less-than-min warnings. And the other two are surprising, because I think that's the standard idiom for such definitions. To avoid the warnings, I may break it into separate declarations. But, hey, who's complaining. COMPILES WITHOUT ERROR! Mark the day. Break out the cheap champagne. Sincere thanks to all. We're not done yet, but we are getting closer to something we can ask the public to review. rick ________________________________ From: Raymond Rogers [mailto:ReRogers@SYMON.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 17:28 To: Landau, Richard; pdm@pwg.org Subject: RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. 0 Errors 6 Warnings The warnings we care about are at lines 1651 and 1627 of skeleton-final-mib.mib, the max value of the range is missing. The other 4 warnings are because I don't have the pwg MIBs in my database and I get warnings like "Node "pwg" with OID "1.3.6.1.4.1.2699" created". Regards, Raymond Rogers Symon Communications, Inc. (972)543-9586 From: owner-pdm@pwg.org [mailto:owner-pdm@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Richard_Landau@Dell.com Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 4:24 PM To: pdm@pwg.org Subject: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. I updated, on ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/ skeleton-final.mib skeleton-final-mib.mib skeleton-final-tc.mib skeleton-final-names-too-long.txt Please try again to compile the beast and let me know the results. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 Notice of Confidentiality: This transmission contains information that may be confidential and that may also be privileged. Unless you are the intended recipient of the message (or authorized to receive it for the intended recipient) you may not copy, forward, or otherwise use it, or disclose its contents to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify us immediately and delete it from your system. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20071126/8212462a/attachment.html From ReRogers at SYMON.com Mon Nov 26 18:58:47 2007 From: ReRogers at SYMON.com (Raymond Rogers) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:04 2009 Subject: PDM> Many new files on FTP. In-Reply-To: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E489@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> References: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E47F@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E481@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E489@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Message-ID: I get the same warnings on the PRINTER-PORT-MONITOR-MIB and PWG-IMAGING-COUNTER-MIB. So this may just be a quirk of the compiler that I'm using. Do any of the other compilers complain about this? Regards, Raymond Rogers Symon Communications, Inc. (972)543-9586 From: Richard_Landau@Dell.com [mailto:Richard_Landau@Dell.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 12:31 PM To: Raymond Rogers; pdm@pwg.org Subject: RE: PDM> Many new files on FTP. Thanks. Apparently I regressed on the TruthValue import, which was in there sometime in the past. I will put it back in and present a new version in short order. rick ________________________________ From: Raymond Rogers [mailto:ReRogers@SYMON.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 18:38 To: Landau, Richard; pdm@pwg.org Subject: RE: PDM> Many new files on FTP. Rick, Here is the output from my compiler. C:\DOCUME~1\rerogers\MYDOCU~1\PROJEC~1\objects\SKELET~4.MIB(71) : Warning 21 : Node "pwg" with OID "1.3.6.1.4.1.2699" created C:\DOCUME~1\rerogers\MYDOCU~1\PROJEC~1\objects\SKELET~4.MIB(71) : Warning 21 : Node "mibs" with OID "1.3.6.1.4.1.2699.1" created C:\DOCUME~1\rerogers\MYDOCU~1\PROJEC~1\objects\SKELET~4.MIB(627) : Error 23 : Item "TruthValue" is not defined or imported C:\DOCUME~1\rerogers\MYDOCU~1\PROJEC~1\objects\SKELET~4.MIB(684) : Error 23 : Item "TruthValue" is not defined or imported C:\DOCUME~1\rerogers\MYDOCU~1\PROJEC~1\objects\SKELET~4.MIB(1459) : Error 23 : Item "TruthValue" is not defined or imported C:\DOCUME~1\rerogers\MYDOCU~1\PROJEC~1\objects\SKELET~4.MIB(1522) : Error 23 : Item "TruthValue" is not defined or imported C:\DOCUME~1\rerogers\MYDOCU~1\PROJEC~1\objects\SKELET~4.MIB(1811) : Error 23 : Item "TruthValue" is not defined or imported C:\DOCUME~1\rerogers\MYDOCU~1\PROJEC~1\objects\SKELET~4.MIB(1837) : Error 23 : Item "TruthValue" is not defined or imported C:\DOCUME~1\rerogers\MYDOCU~1\PROJEC~1\objects\SKELET~4.MIB(1651) : Warning 18 : Min is greater than max C:\DOCUME~1\rerogers\MYDOCU~1\PROJEC~1\objects\SKELET~4.MIB(1627) : Warning 18 : Min is greater than max 2043 source lines. 6 error(s), 6 warning(s) Compilation failed. Done. Regards, Raymond Rogers Symon Communications, Inc. (972)543-9586 From: Richard_Landau@Dell.com [mailto:Richard_Landau@Dell.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 5:00 PM To: Raymond Rogers; pdm@pwg.org Subject: RE: PDM> Many new files on FTP. Thanks, Raymond. Close but still no cigar just yet. Yes, I had removed a comment from the middle of the DefaultValue element, but I missed the closing "-->" string. Fixed. If that's the only remaining problem, we are in good shape. I fixed that, and one other minor problem, and reposted the MIB files. Please try again, and, if it compiles with no errors, break out the (cheap) champagne. New files: in the objects directory, as usual, skeleton-final.mib skeleton-final-tc.mib skeleton-final-mib.mib skeleton-final-names-too-long.mib And repairs to the offending groups. Power_v13.xml General_v09.xml rick PS: Ira, if you can slip me that freely redistributable MIB compiler you mentioned, I can catch some of these errors before I inflict them on others. ________________________________ From: Raymond Rogers [mailto:ReRogers@SYMON.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 19:31 To: Landau, Richard; pdm@pwg.org Subject: RE: PDM> Many new files on FTP. I Still see one problem. Below is the output from the compiler. SKELET~4.MIB(71) : Warning 21 : Node "pwg" with OID "1.3.6.1.4.1.2699" created SKELET~4.MIB(71) : Warning 21 : Node "mibs" with OID "1.3.6.1.4.1.2699.1" created SKELET~4.MIB(516) : Error 19 : Missing "}" SKELET~4.MIB(516) : Error 20 : Expected "::=" but found "{" 516 source lines. 2 error(s), 4 warning(s) Compilation failed. Done. The DEFVAL in pdmPowerTargetState is malformed. It looks like it could not figure out part of the XML source. Regards, Raymond Rogers Symon Communications, Inc. (972)543-9586 From: owner-pdm@pwg.org [mailto:owner-pdm@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Richard_Landau@Dell.com Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 5:45 PM To: pdm@pwg.org Subject: PDM> Many new files on FTP. All in ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/ Groups with corrections and name changes.: DisplaySet_v14.xml formerly DisplaySetting Alert_v05.xml Power_v12.xml formerly PwrSt Button_v07.xml Fan_V10.xml previously misnamed Please note, again, that the filename, group name, and table name, if any, must all match. New MIB draft, individual MIBs, long name warnings:: skeleton-final.mib skeleton-final-tc.mib skeleton-final-mib.mib skeleton-final-names-too-long.mib And ZIP archives of the whole mess xsl-mib-translate-20071120.zip xsl-mib-fragments-20071120.zip This should fix many of the problems inhibiting compiling, but maybe not quite all. Please try it and let me know the results. Have a good Thanksgiving holiday. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 Notice of Confidentiality: This transmission contains information that may be confidential and that may also be privileged. Unless you are the intended recipient of the message (or authorized to receive it for the intended recipient) you may not copy, forward, or otherwise use it, or disclose its contents to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify us immediately and delete it from your system. Notice of Confidentiality: This transmission contains information that may be confidential and that may also be privileged. Unless you are the intended recipient of the message (or authorized to receive it for the intended recipient) you may not copy, forward, or otherwise use it, or disclose its contents to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify us immediately and delete it from your system. Notice of Confidentiality: This transmission contains information that may be confidential and that may also be privileged. Unless you are the intended recipient of the message (or authorized to receive it for the intended recipient) you may not copy, forward, or otherwise use it, or disclose its contents to anyone else. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify us immediately and delete it from your system. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20071126/fc5c77fb/attachment.html From Ron.Bergman at ricoh-usa.com Mon Nov 26 19:04:53 2007 From: Ron.Bergman at ricoh-usa.com (Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:04 2009 Subject: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. In-Reply-To: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E491@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Message-ID: My complier indicates "invalid size/range specified for ..." pdmDisplaySetSharpness, pdmLocaleCharsetEnumEWS, pdmLocaleCharsetEnum. Ron Bergman Ricoh Americas Corporation Sent by: To owner-pdm@pwg.org cc 11/26/2007 02:24 Subject PM PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. I updated, on ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/ skeleton-final.mib skeleton-final-mib.mib skeleton-final-tc.mib skeleton-final-names-too-long.txt Please try again to compile the beast and let me know the results. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Nov 26 19:12:24 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:04 2009 Subject: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. In-Reply-To: References: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E491@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E496@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Thanks, Ron. Still no cigar, eh? - On the ...Sharpness range, is it the plus sign that it is objecting to? I wondered about that myself. Please try editing that out and see. I will nuke it in the XML. - On the Locale... ones, is it giving an error or a warning? Failure to specify probably shouldn't be an error unless the SMI specs really say SHALL. I'll check. rick -----Original Message----- From: Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com [mailto:Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 18:05 To: Landau, Richard Cc: owner-pdm@pwg.org; pdm@pwg.org Subject: Re: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. My complier indicates "invalid size/range specified for ..." pdmDisplaySetSharpness, pdmLocaleCharsetEnumEWS, pdmLocaleCharsetEnum. Ron Bergman Ricoh Americas Corporation Sent by: To owner-pdm@pwg.org cc 11/26/2007 02:24 Subject PM PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. I updated, on ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/ skeleton-final.mib skeleton-final-mib.mib skeleton-final-tc.mib skeleton-final-names-too-long.txt Please try again to compile the beast and let me know the results. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 From Ron.Bergman at ricoh-usa.com Mon Nov 26 19:24:18 2007 From: Ron.Bergman at ricoh-usa.com (Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:04 2009 Subject: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. In-Reply-To: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E496@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Message-ID: Without the plus sign it compiles. I assume the message is an error, since it does not complete the compile. When I comment out the range, the compile completes. After the compile is complete the browser hangs up on many of the tables. Example, if I try to open the pdmGeneral table. I have tried all, but most seem to have this characteristic. Ron To 11/26/2007 04:12 PM cc , Subject RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. Thanks, Ron. Still no cigar, eh? - On the ...Sharpness range, is it the plus sign that it is objecting to? I wondered about that myself. Please try editing that out and see. I will nuke it in the XML. - On the Locale... ones, is it giving an error or a warning? Failure to specify probably shouldn't be an error unless the SMI specs really say SHALL. I'll check. rick -----Original Message----- From: Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com [mailto:Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 18:05 To: Landau, Richard Cc: owner-pdm@pwg.org; pdm@pwg.org Subject: Re: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. My complier indicates "invalid size/range specified for ..." pdmDisplaySetSharpness, pdmLocaleCharsetEnumEWS, pdmLocaleCharsetEnum. Ron Bergman Ricoh Americas Corporation Sent by: To owner-pdm@pwg.org cc 11/26/2007 02:24 Subject PM PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. I updated, on ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/ skeleton-final.mib skeleton-final-mib.mib skeleton-final-tc.mib skeleton-final-names-too-long.txt Please try again to compile the beast and let me know the results. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 From Ron.Bergman at ricoh-usa.com Mon Nov 26 19:27:58 2007 From: Ron.Bergman at ricoh-usa.com (Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:04 2009 Subject: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. Message-ID: Whoops, The last sentance should begin with "I have NOT tried all.." __________________ Without the plus sign it compiles. I assume the message is an error, since it does not complete the compile. When I comment out the range, the compile completes. After the compile is complete the browser hangs up on many of the tables. Example, if I try to open the pdmGeneral table. I have tried all, but most seem to have this characteristic. Ron To 11/26/2007 04:12 PM cc , Subject RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. Thanks, Ron. Still no cigar, eh? - On the ...Sharpness range, is it the plus sign that it is objecting to? I wondered about that myself. Please try editing that out and see. I will nuke it in the XML. - On the Locale... ones, is it giving an error or a warning? Failure to specify probably shouldn't be an error unless the SMI specs really say SHALL. I'll check. rick -----Original Message----- From: Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com [mailto:Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 18:05 To: Landau, Richard Cc: owner-pdm@pwg.org; pdm@pwg.org Subject: Re: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. My complier indicates "invalid size/range specified for ..." pdmDisplaySetSharpness, pdmLocaleCharsetEnumEWS, pdmLocaleCharsetEnum. Ron Bergman Ricoh Americas Corporation Sent by: To owner-pdm@pwg.org cc 11/26/2007 02:24 Subject PM PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. I updated, on ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/ skeleton-final.mib skeleton-final-mib.mib skeleton-final-tc.mib skeleton-final-names-too-long.txt Please try again to compile the beast and let me know the results. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Nov 26 19:27:59 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:04 2009 Subject: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. In-Reply-To: References: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E496@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E498@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Again, thanks, Ron. But what browser hangs up on what tables? I don't understand. Do you have something that really instantiates the MIB and a browser that wants to look at it? With no underlying database, all the tables should be empty. rick ----Original Message----- From: Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com [mailto:Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 18:24 To: Landau, Richard Cc: owner-pdm@pwg.org; pdm@pwg.org Subject: RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. Without the plus sign it compiles. I assume the message is an error, since it does not complete the compile. When I comment out the range, the compile completes. After the compile is complete the browser hangs up on many of the tables. Example, if I try to open the pdmGeneral table. I have tried all, but most seem to have this characteristic. Ron To 11/26/2007 04:12 PM cc , Subject RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. Thanks, Ron. Still no cigar, eh? - On the ...Sharpness range, is it the plus sign that it is objecting to? I wondered about that myself. Please try editing that out and see. I will nuke it in the XML. - On the Locale... ones, is it giving an error or a warning? Failure to specify probably shouldn't be an error unless the SMI specs really say SHALL. I'll check. rick -----Original Message----- From: Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com [mailto:Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 18:05 To: Landau, Richard Cc: owner-pdm@pwg.org; pdm@pwg.org Subject: Re: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. My complier indicates "invalid size/range specified for ..." pdmDisplaySetSharpness, pdmLocaleCharsetEnumEWS, pdmLocaleCharsetEnum. Ron Bergman Ricoh Americas Corporation Sent by: To owner-pdm@pwg.org cc 11/26/2007 02:24 Subject PM PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. I updated, on ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/ skeleton-final.mib skeleton-final-mib.mib skeleton-final-tc.mib skeleton-final-names-too-long.txt Please try again to compile the beast and let me know the results. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 From Ron.Bergman at ricoh-usa.com Mon Nov 26 19:33:25 2007 From: Ron.Bergman at ricoh-usa.com (Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:04 2009 Subject: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. In-Reply-To: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E498@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Message-ID: No, I am not trying to read the tables. Only looking at the MIB structure in the browser. This is where the desired objects are selected to be monitored. I am able to see the structure of all the MIBs I have compiled, except the pdm. Ron To 11/26/2007 04:27 PM cc , Subject RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. Again, thanks, Ron. But what browser hangs up on what tables? I don't understand. Do you have something that really instantiates the MIB and a browser that wants to look at it? With no underlying database, all the tables should be empty. rick ----Original Message----- From: Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com [mailto:Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 18:24 To: Landau, Richard Cc: owner-pdm@pwg.org; pdm@pwg.org Subject: RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. Without the plus sign it compiles. I assume the message is an error, since it does not complete the compile. When I comment out the range, the compile completes. After the compile is complete the browser hangs up on many of the tables. Example, if I try to open the pdmGeneral table. I have tried all, but most seem to have this characteristic. Ron To 11/26/2007 04:12 PM cc , Subject RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. Thanks, Ron. Still no cigar, eh? - On the ...Sharpness range, is it the plus sign that it is objecting to? I wondered about that myself. Please try editing that out and see. I will nuke it in the XML. - On the Locale... ones, is it giving an error or a warning? Failure to specify probably shouldn't be an error unless the SMI specs really say SHALL. I'll check. rick -----Original Message----- From: Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com [mailto:Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 18:05 To: Landau, Richard Cc: owner-pdm@pwg.org; pdm@pwg.org Subject: Re: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. My complier indicates "invalid size/range specified for ..." pdmDisplaySetSharpness, pdmLocaleCharsetEnumEWS, pdmLocaleCharsetEnum. Ron Bergman Ricoh Americas Corporation Sent by: To owner-pdm@pwg.org cc 11/26/2007 02:24 Subject PM PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. I updated, on ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/ skeleton-final.mib skeleton-final-mib.mib skeleton-final-tc.mib skeleton-final-names-too-long.txt Please try again to compile the beast and let me know the results. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 From blueroofmusic at gmail.com Mon Nov 26 20:01:36 2007 From: blueroofmusic at gmail.com (Ira McDonald) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:04 2009 Subject: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. In-Reply-To: References: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E498@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Message-ID: Hi, MG-Soft MIB Browser will compile and then let you visually navigate a MIB (without instantiating it). Several other professional SNMP tools have similar functionality. Cheers, - Ira On Nov 26, 2007 4:33 PM, wrote: > > No, I am not trying to read the tables. Only looking at the MIB structure > in the browser. This is where the desired objects are selected to be > monitored. I am able to see the structure of all the MIBs I have compiled, > except the pdm. > > Ron > > > ell.com> > To > 11/26/2007 04:27 > > PM cc > , > Subject > RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on > FTP. > > > > > > > > > > > Again, thanks, Ron. But what browser hangs up on what tables? I don't > understand. Do you have something that really instantiates the MIB and > a browser that wants to look at it? With no underlying database, all > the tables should be empty. > > rick > > > ----Original Message----- > From: Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com [mailto:Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com] > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 18:24 > To: Landau, Richard > Cc: owner-pdm@pwg.org; pdm@pwg.org > Subject: RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. > > > Without the plus sign it compiles. > I assume the message is an error, since it does not complete the > compile. > When I comment out the range, the compile completes. > After the compile is complete the browser hangs up on many of the > tables. > Example, if I try to open the pdmGeneral table. I have tried all, but > most seem to have this characteristic. > > Ron > > > > ell.com> > > > To > 11/26/2007 04:12 > > PM > cc > , > > > Subject > RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on > > FTP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Ron. Still no cigar, eh? > > - On the ...Sharpness range, is it the plus sign that it is objecting > to? I wondered about that myself. Please try editing that out and see. > I will nuke it in the XML. > > - On the Locale... ones, is it giving an error or a warning? Failure to > specify probably shouldn't be an error unless the SMI specs really say > SHALL. I'll check. > > rick > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com [mailto:Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com] > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 18:05 > To: Landau, Richard > Cc: owner-pdm@pwg.org; pdm@pwg.org > Subject: Re: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. > > > My complier indicates "invalid size/range specified for ..." > pdmDisplaySetSharpness, > pdmLocaleCharsetEnumEWS, > pdmLocaleCharsetEnum. > > Ron Bergman > Ricoh Americas Corporation > > > > > ell.com> > > Sent by: > To > owner-pdm@pwg.org > > > cc > > > 11/26/2007 02:24 > Subject > PM PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I updated, on ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/ > > > skeleton-final.mib > skeleton-final-mib.mib > skeleton-final-tc.mib > skeleton-final-names-too-long.txt > > > Please try again to compile the beast and let me know the results. > > > rick > ---------------------- > Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO > Office > +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 > > > > > > > > > -- Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 work: +1-906-494-2434 home: +1-906-494-2697 email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Tue Nov 27 17:02:54 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:04 2009 Subject: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. In-Reply-To: References: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E498@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E4A1@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Ron, this sounds bad, if your software can browse all MIBs with tables *except* the PDM MIB. What is it about our table structure that is so funky that it hangs the software? Can you please poke around in the PDM MIB, which doesn't work, and some other MIBs that do work, to see if there is any understandable difference? It is entirely possible that our tables are not defined just so. Any help would be appreciated, thanks. rick -----Original Message----- From: Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com [mailto:Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 18:33 To: Landau, Richard Cc: owner-pdm@pwg.org; pdm@pwg.org Subject: RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. No, I am not trying to read the tables. Only looking at the MIB structure in the browser. This is where the desired objects are selected to be monitored. I am able to see the structure of all the MIBs I have compiled, except the pdm. Ron To 11/26/2007 04:27 PM cc , Subject RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. Again, thanks, Ron. But what browser hangs up on what tables? I don't understand. Do you have something that really instantiates the MIB and a browser that wants to look at it? With no underlying database, all the tables should be empty. rick ----Original Message----- From: Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com [mailto:Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 18:24 To: Landau, Richard Cc: owner-pdm@pwg.org; pdm@pwg.org Subject: RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. Without the plus sign it compiles. I assume the message is an error, since it does not complete the compile. When I comment out the range, the compile completes. After the compile is complete the browser hangs up on many of the tables. Example, if I try to open the pdmGeneral table. I have tried all, but most seem to have this characteristic. Ron To 11/26/2007 04:12 PM cc , Subject RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. Thanks, Ron. Still no cigar, eh? - On the ...Sharpness range, is it the plus sign that it is objecting to? I wondered about that myself. Please try editing that out and see. I will nuke it in the XML. - On the Locale... ones, is it giving an error or a warning? Failure to specify probably shouldn't be an error unless the SMI specs really say SHALL. I'll check. rick -----Original Message----- From: Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com [mailto:Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 18:05 To: Landau, Richard Cc: owner-pdm@pwg.org; pdm@pwg.org Subject: Re: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. My complier indicates "invalid size/range specified for ..." pdmDisplaySetSharpness, pdmLocaleCharsetEnumEWS, pdmLocaleCharsetEnum. Ron Bergman Ricoh Americas Corporation Sent by: To owner-pdm@pwg.org cc 11/26/2007 02:24 Subject PM PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. I updated, on ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/ skeleton-final.mib skeleton-final-mib.mib skeleton-final-tc.mib skeleton-final-names-too-long.txt Please try again to compile the beast and let me know the results. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Tue Nov 27 18:44:51 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:04 2009 Subject: PDM> Yet more new files on FTP Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E4A3@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> In the objects dir, DisplaySet_v15.xml LocaleCharset_v03.xml and, as ever, new MIB drafts skeleton-final-tc.mib skeleton-final-mib.mib These should, maybe, compile with fewer errors or warnings. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20071127/19224bdf/attachment.html From Ron.Bergman at ricoh-usa.com Tue Nov 27 20:33:25 2007 From: Ron.Bergman at ricoh-usa.com (Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:05 2009 Subject: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. In-Reply-To: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E4A1@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Message-ID: Rick, I have isolated the problem to the PDM-TC MIB. I'll try to look some more tomorrow to determine why. Ron To 11/27/2007 02:02 PM cc , Subject RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. Ron, this sounds bad, if your software can browse all MIBs with tables *except* the PDM MIB. What is it about our table structure that is so funky that it hangs the software? Can you please poke around in the PDM MIB, which doesn't work, and some other MIBs that do work, to see if there is any understandable difference? It is entirely possible that our tables are not defined just so. Any help would be appreciated, thanks. rick -----Original Message----- From: Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com [mailto:Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 18:33 To: Landau, Richard Cc: owner-pdm@pwg.org; pdm@pwg.org Subject: RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. No, I am not trying to read the tables. Only looking at the MIB structure in the browser. This is where the desired objects are selected to be monitored. I am able to see the structure of all the MIBs I have compiled, except the pdm. Ron To 11/26/2007 04:27 PM cc , Subject RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. Again, thanks, Ron. But what browser hangs up on what tables? I don't understand. Do you have something that really instantiates the MIB and a browser that wants to look at it? With no underlying database, all the tables should be empty. rick ----Original Message----- From: Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com [mailto:Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 18:24 To: Landau, Richard Cc: owner-pdm@pwg.org; pdm@pwg.org Subject: RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. Without the plus sign it compiles. I assume the message is an error, since it does not complete the compile. When I comment out the range, the compile completes. After the compile is complete the browser hangs up on many of the tables. Example, if I try to open the pdmGeneral table. I have tried all, but most seem to have this characteristic. Ron To 11/26/2007 04:12 PM cc , Subject RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. Thanks, Ron. Still no cigar, eh? - On the ...Sharpness range, is it the plus sign that it is objecting to? I wondered about that myself. Please try editing that out and see. I will nuke it in the XML. - On the Locale... ones, is it giving an error or a warning? Failure to specify probably shouldn't be an error unless the SMI specs really say SHALL. I'll check. rick -----Original Message----- From: Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com [mailto:Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 18:05 To: Landau, Richard Cc: owner-pdm@pwg.org; pdm@pwg.org Subject: Re: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. My complier indicates "invalid size/range specified for ..." pdmDisplaySetSharpness, pdmLocaleCharsetEnumEWS, pdmLocaleCharsetEnum. Ron Bergman Ricoh Americas Corporation Sent by: To owner-pdm@pwg.org cc 11/26/2007 02:24 Subject PM PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. I updated, on ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/ skeleton-final.mib skeleton-final-mib.mib skeleton-final-tc.mib skeleton-final-names-too-long.txt Please try again to compile the beast and let me know the results. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Wed Nov 28 10:30:01 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:05 2009 Subject: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. In-Reply-To: References: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E4A1@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E4A5@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Thanks, Ron. I'll take a look, too. rick -----Original Message----- From: Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com [mailto:Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 19:33 To: Landau, Richard Cc: owner-pdm@pwg.org; pdm@pwg.org Subject: RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. Rick, I have isolated the problem to the PDM-TC MIB. I'll try to look some more tomorrow to determine why. Ron To 11/27/2007 02:02 PM cc , Subject RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. Ron, this sounds bad, if your software can browse all MIBs with tables *except* the PDM MIB. What is it about our table structure that is so funky that it hangs the software? Can you please poke around in the PDM MIB, which doesn't work, and some other MIBs that do work, to see if there is any understandable difference? It is entirely possible that our tables are not defined just so. Any help would be appreciated, thanks. rick -----Original Message----- From: Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com [mailto:Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 18:33 To: Landau, Richard Cc: owner-pdm@pwg.org; pdm@pwg.org Subject: RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. No, I am not trying to read the tables. Only looking at the MIB structure in the browser. This is where the desired objects are selected to be monitored. I am able to see the structure of all the MIBs I have compiled, except the pdm. Ron To 11/26/2007 04:27 PM cc , Subject RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. Again, thanks, Ron. But what browser hangs up on what tables? I don't understand. Do you have something that really instantiates the MIB and a browser that wants to look at it? With no underlying database, all the tables should be empty. rick ----Original Message----- From: Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com [mailto:Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 18:24 To: Landau, Richard Cc: owner-pdm@pwg.org; pdm@pwg.org Subject: RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. Without the plus sign it compiles. I assume the message is an error, since it does not complete the compile. When I comment out the range, the compile completes. After the compile is complete the browser hangs up on many of the tables. Example, if I try to open the pdmGeneral table. I have tried all, but most seem to have this characteristic. Ron To 11/26/2007 04:12 PM cc , Subject RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. Thanks, Ron. Still no cigar, eh? - On the ...Sharpness range, is it the plus sign that it is objecting to? I wondered about that myself. Please try editing that out and see. I will nuke it in the XML. - On the Locale... ones, is it giving an error or a warning? Failure to specify probably shouldn't be an error unless the SMI specs really say SHALL. I'll check. rick -----Original Message----- From: Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com [mailto:Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 18:05 To: Landau, Richard Cc: owner-pdm@pwg.org; pdm@pwg.org Subject: Re: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. My complier indicates "invalid size/range specified for ..." pdmDisplaySetSharpness, pdmLocaleCharsetEnumEWS, pdmLocaleCharsetEnum. Ron Bergman Ricoh Americas Corporation Sent by: To owner-pdm@pwg.org cc 11/26/2007 02:24 Subject PM PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. I updated, on ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/ skeleton-final.mib skeleton-final-mib.mib skeleton-final-tc.mib skeleton-final-names-too-long.txt Please try again to compile the beast and let me know the results. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 From Ron.Bergman at ricoh-usa.com Wed Nov 28 12:30:25 2007 From: Ron.Bergman at ricoh-usa.com (Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:05 2009 Subject: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. In-Reply-To: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E4A5@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Message-ID: Found the problem! Having the TCs and the MIB objects in one file causes the application to corrupt the compiled TC file. (I did not realize both were in the same file.) Removing the MIB objects from the file with the TCs corrects the problem. Why are the two files structured this way? Ron Sent by: To owner-pdm@pwg.org cc , 11/28/2007 07:30 Subject AM RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. Thanks, Ron. I'll take a look, too. rick -----Original Message----- From: Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com [mailto:Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 19:33 To: Landau, Richard Cc: owner-pdm@pwg.org; pdm@pwg.org Subject: RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. Rick, I have isolated the problem to the PDM-TC MIB. I'll try to look some more tomorrow to determine why. Ron To 11/27/2007 02:02 PM cc , Subject RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. Ron, this sounds bad, if your software can browse all MIBs with tables *except* the PDM MIB. What is it about our table structure that is so funky that it hangs the software? Can you please poke around in the PDM MIB, which doesn't work, and some other MIBs that do work, to see if there is any understandable difference? It is entirely possible that our tables are not defined just so. Any help would be appreciated, thanks. rick -----Original Message----- From: Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com [mailto:Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 18:33 To: Landau, Richard Cc: owner-pdm@pwg.org; pdm@pwg.org Subject: RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. No, I am not trying to read the tables. Only looking at the MIB structure in the browser. This is where the desired objects are selected to be monitored. I am able to see the structure of all the MIBs I have compiled, except the pdm. Ron To 11/26/2007 04:27 PM cc , Subject RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. Again, thanks, Ron. But what browser hangs up on what tables? I don't understand. Do you have something that really instantiates the MIB and a browser that wants to look at it? With no underlying database, all the tables should be empty. rick ----Original Message----- From: Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com [mailto:Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 18:24 To: Landau, Richard Cc: owner-pdm@pwg.org; pdm@pwg.org Subject: RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. Without the plus sign it compiles. I assume the message is an error, since it does not complete the compile. When I comment out the range, the compile completes. After the compile is complete the browser hangs up on many of the tables. Example, if I try to open the pdmGeneral table. I have tried all, but most seem to have this characteristic. Ron To 11/26/2007 04:12 PM cc , Subject RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. Thanks, Ron. Still no cigar, eh? - On the ...Sharpness range, is it the plus sign that it is objecting to? I wondered about that myself. Please try editing that out and see. I will nuke it in the XML. - On the Locale... ones, is it giving an error or a warning? Failure to specify probably shouldn't be an error unless the SMI specs really say SHALL. I'll check. rick -----Original Message----- From: Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com [mailto:Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 18:05 To: Landau, Richard Cc: owner-pdm@pwg.org; pdm@pwg.org Subject: Re: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. My complier indicates "invalid size/range specified for ..." pdmDisplaySetSharpness, pdmLocaleCharsetEnumEWS, pdmLocaleCharsetEnum. Ron Bergman Ricoh Americas Corporation Sent by: To owner-pdm@pwg.org cc 11/26/2007 02:24 Subject PM PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. I updated, on ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/ skeleton-final.mib skeleton-final-mib.mib skeleton-final-tc.mib skeleton-final-names-too-long.txt Please try again to compile the beast and let me know the results. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 From blueroofmusic at gmail.com Wed Nov 28 12:44:24 2007 From: blueroofmusic at gmail.com (Ira McDonald) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:05 2009 Subject: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. In-Reply-To: References: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E4A5@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Message-ID: Hi Ron, Actually they've been separated into two files for several weeks now (because I pointed out to Rick that most compilers would stop at the first ASN.1 "END" statement). Try compiling one after the other (in the same command line): skeleton-final-tc.mib skeleton-final-mib.mib Cheers, - Ira On Nov 28, 2007 9:30 AM, wrote: > > Found the problem! > > Having the TCs and the MIB objects in one file causes the application to > corrupt the compiled TC file. (I did not realize both were in the same > file.) Removing the MIB objects from the file with the TCs corrects the > problem. > > Why are the two files structured this way? > > Ron > > > ell.com> > Sent by: To > owner-pdm@pwg.org > cc > , > 11/28/2007 07:30 Subject > AM RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on > > FTP. > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Ron. I'll take a look, too. > > rick > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com [mailto:Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 19:33 > To: Landau, Richard > Cc: owner-pdm@pwg.org; pdm@pwg.org > Subject: RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. > > > Rick, > > I have isolated the problem to the PDM-TC MIB. I'll try to look some > more tomorrow to determine why. > > Ron > > > > > ell.com> > > > To > 11/27/2007 02:02 > > PM > cc > , > > > Subject > RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on > > FTP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron, this sounds bad, if your software can browse all MIBs with tables > *except* the PDM MIB. What is it about our table structure that is so > funky that it hangs the software? Can you please poke around in the PDM > MIB, which doesn't work, and some other MIBs that do work, to see if > there is any understandable difference? It is entirely possible that > our tables are not defined just so. > > Any help would be appreciated, thanks. > > rick > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com [mailto:Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com] > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 18:33 > To: Landau, Richard > Cc: owner-pdm@pwg.org; pdm@pwg.org > Subject: RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. > > > No, I am not trying to read the tables. Only looking at the MIB > structure in the browser. This is where the desired objects are > selected to be monitored. I am able to see the structure of all the > MIBs I have compiled, except the pdm. > > Ron > > > > > ell.com> > > > To > 11/26/2007 04:27 > > PM > cc > , > > > Subject > RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on > > FTP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, thanks, Ron. But what browser hangs up on what tables? I don't > understand. Do you have something that really instantiates the MIB and > a browser that wants to look at it? With no underlying database, all > the tables should be empty. > > rick > > > ----Original Message----- > From: Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com [mailto:Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com] > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 18:24 > To: Landau, Richard > Cc: owner-pdm@pwg.org; pdm@pwg.org > Subject: RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. > > > Without the plus sign it compiles. > I assume the message is an error, since it does not complete the > compile. > When I comment out the range, the compile completes. > After the compile is complete the browser hangs up on many of the > tables. > Example, if I try to open the pdmGeneral table. I have tried all, but > most seem to have this characteristic. > > Ron > > > > ell.com> > > > To > 11/26/2007 04:12 > > PM > cc > , > > > Subject > RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on > > FTP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Ron. Still no cigar, eh? > > - On the ...Sharpness range, is it the plus sign that it is objecting > to? I wondered about that myself. Please try editing that out and see. > I will nuke it in the XML. > > - On the Locale... ones, is it giving an error or a warning? Failure to > specify probably shouldn't be an error unless the SMI specs really say > SHALL. I'll check. > > rick > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com [mailto:Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com] > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 18:05 > To: Landau, Richard > Cc: owner-pdm@pwg.org; pdm@pwg.org > Subject: Re: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. > > > My complier indicates "invalid size/range specified for ..." > pdmDisplaySetSharpness, > pdmLocaleCharsetEnumEWS, > pdmLocaleCharsetEnum. > > Ron Bergman > Ricoh Americas Corporation > > > > > ell.com> > > Sent by: > To > owner-pdm@pwg.org > > > cc > > > 11/26/2007 02:24 > Subject > PM PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I updated, on ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/ > > > skeleton-final.mib > skeleton-final-mib.mib > skeleton-final-tc.mib > skeleton-final-names-too-long.txt > > > Please try again to compile the beast and let me know the results. > > > rick > ---------------------- > Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO > Office > +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 work: +1-906-494-2434 home: +1-906-494-2697 email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Wed Nov 28 14:19:00 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:05 2009 Subject: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. In-Reply-To: References: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E4A5@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E4AB@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Ack! Ron, I actually publish them as two separate files these days because of just that complaint. The separate files are skeleton-final-tc.mib skeleton-final-mib.mib I should have been clearer about what these extra files are. Works now? rick -----Original Message----- From: Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com [mailto:Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 11:30 To: Landau, Richard Cc: owner-pdm@pwg.org; pdm@pwg.org Subject: RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. Found the problem! Having the TCs and the MIB objects in one file causes the application to corrupt the compiled TC file. (I did not realize both were in the same file.) Removing the MIB objects from the file with the TCs corrects the problem. Why are the two files structured this way? Ron Sent by: To owner-pdm@pwg.org cc , 11/28/2007 07:30 Subject AM RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. Thanks, Ron. I'll take a look, too. rick -----Original Message----- From: Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com [mailto:Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 19:33 To: Landau, Richard Cc: owner-pdm@pwg.org; pdm@pwg.org Subject: RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. Rick, I have isolated the problem to the PDM-TC MIB. I'll try to look some more tomorrow to determine why. Ron To 11/27/2007 02:02 PM cc , Subject RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. Ron, this sounds bad, if your software can browse all MIBs with tables *except* the PDM MIB. What is it about our table structure that is so funky that it hangs the software? Can you please poke around in the PDM MIB, which doesn't work, and some other MIBs that do work, to see if there is any understandable difference? It is entirely possible that our tables are not defined just so. Any help would be appreciated, thanks. rick -----Original Message----- From: Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com [mailto:Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 18:33 To: Landau, Richard Cc: owner-pdm@pwg.org; pdm@pwg.org Subject: RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. No, I am not trying to read the tables. Only looking at the MIB structure in the browser. This is where the desired objects are selected to be monitored. I am able to see the structure of all the MIBs I have compiled, except the pdm. Ron To 11/26/2007 04:27 PM cc , Subject RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. Again, thanks, Ron. But what browser hangs up on what tables? I don't understand. Do you have something that really instantiates the MIB and a browser that wants to look at it? With no underlying database, all the tables should be empty. rick ----Original Message----- From: Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com [mailto:Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 18:24 To: Landau, Richard Cc: owner-pdm@pwg.org; pdm@pwg.org Subject: RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. Without the plus sign it compiles. I assume the message is an error, since it does not complete the compile. When I comment out the range, the compile completes. After the compile is complete the browser hangs up on many of the tables. Example, if I try to open the pdmGeneral table. I have tried all, but most seem to have this characteristic. Ron To 11/26/2007 04:12 PM cc , Subject RE: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. Thanks, Ron. Still no cigar, eh? - On the ...Sharpness range, is it the plus sign that it is objecting to? I wondered about that myself. Please try editing that out and see. I will nuke it in the XML. - On the Locale... ones, is it giving an error or a warning? Failure to specify probably shouldn't be an error unless the SMI specs really say SHALL. I'll check. rick -----Original Message----- From: Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com [mailto:Ron.Bergman@ricoh-usa.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 18:05 To: Landau, Richard Cc: owner-pdm@pwg.org; pdm@pwg.org Subject: Re: PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. My complier indicates "invalid size/range specified for ..." pdmDisplaySetSharpness, pdmLocaleCharsetEnumEWS, pdmLocaleCharsetEnum. Ron Bergman Ricoh Americas Corporation Sent by: To owner-pdm@pwg.org cc 11/26/2007 02:24 Subject PM PDM> New draft MIB files on FTP. I updated, on ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/ skeleton-final.mib skeleton-final-mib.mib skeleton-final-tc.mib skeleton-final-names-too-long.txt Please try again to compile the beast and let me know the results. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 From blueroofmusic at gmail.com Wed Nov 28 17:20:37 2007 From: blueroofmusic at gmail.com (Ira McDonald) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:05 2009 Subject: PDM> One IMPORT error left in PDM MIB Message-ID: Hi, According to my Epilogue SNMP compiler v9.1, the ONE REMAINING error in the PDM MIB is the missing IMPORT for Counter32 from SNMPv2-SMI (RFC 2578). Well done, Rick! Cheers, - Ira -- Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 work: +1-906-494-2434 home: +1-906-494-2697 email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Wed Dec 5 18:00:43 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:05 2009 Subject: PDM> Projector&Display WG concall CANCELLED TODAY! Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E4DB@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> I'm really sorry about the late notice, guys. I have not been able to make any progress on the MIB. I got a new machine, and the build setup doesn't quite transfer from one to the other as easily as I had thought. It will be much better when it works, but at the moment it doesn't work at all. Next week, 12/12, the usual time. 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Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E501@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> ________________________________ From: owner-pwg-announce@pwg.org [mailto:owner-pwg-announce@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Richard_Landau@dell.com Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 11:39 To: pwg-announce@pwg.org Subject: PWG-ANNOUNCE> Slides posted for F2F Projector & Display WG session Wed. ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/presentations/PWG-F2F-200712-PDM-WG-se ssion-01.ppt rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20071210/ea5d1335/attachment.html From blueroofmusic at gmail.com Mon Dec 10 14:34:13 2007 From: blueroofmusic at gmail.com (Ira McDonald) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:05 2009 Subject: PDM> [PDF of] Slides posted for F2F Projector & Display WG session Wed. Message-ID: Hi, Converted to PDF and stored back to the same directory. Cheers, - Ira On Dec 10, 2007 1:11 PM, wrote: > > > > > ________________________________ > From: owner-pwg-announce@pwg.org [mailto:owner-pwg-announce@pwg.org] On > Behalf Of Richard_Landau@dell.com > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 11:39 > To: pwg-announce@pwg.org > Subject: PWG-ANNOUNCE> Slides posted for F2F Projector & Display WG session > Wed. > > > > > > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/presentations/PWG-F2F-200712-PDM-WG-session-01.ppt > > rick > ---------------------- > Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office > +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -- Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 work: +1-906-494-2434 home: +1-906-494-2697 email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Dec 10 19:31:12 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:05 2009 Subject: PDM> Minutes posted of concall 2007/11/28. Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E50B@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> Please read. There is a discussion of future f2f meeting requirements. Tnx. ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/minutes/minutes-20071128.doc rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20071210/f656bde1/attachment.html From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Mon Dec 10 19:44:27 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:05 2009 Subject: PDM> Projector&Display Mgt WG: REMINDER OF CONCALL Wed-Thurs. Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E50D@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> P R O J E C T O R & D I S P L A Y M A N A G E M E N T W G Projector & Display Management Working Group conference call REMINDER of Concall 2007/12/12-13 -------- -- ------- ------------- ============================================================== NOTE THE NEW MEETING TIME: EVERYONE IS ONE HOUR EARLIER NOW! ============================================================== ALSO NOTE THAT MEETINGS ARE WEDNESDAY-THURSDAY! ============================================================== The next meeting (by conference call) of this working group will be held on Wednesday PM (US) / Thursday AM (Asia), 2007 Dec 12-13. Time: US Central Time (Austin, Dallas) Wednesday, 12 Dec 2007, 6 PM - 7 US Pacific Time (Seattle) Wednesday, 12 Dec 2007, 4 PM - 5 US Eastern Time (New Jersey) Wednesday, 12 Dec 2007, 7 PM - 8 Tokyo Thursday, 13 Dec 2007, 9 AM - 10 Singapore, Taiwan Thursday, 13 Dec 2007, 8 AM - 9 Agenda: ------ PLEASE READ THE MINUTES ABOUT F2F MEETING DATES! Review remaining groups - The last one, I hope: Filter. DefaultValues - I have done a lot of editing, cleaning up DefaultValues in almost all groups. PLEASE get new copies of the latest groups from the FTP site before you do any editing. MIB translation - The MIB is close to being real. It compiles on many MIB compilers without error. There may still be a few minor problems with the pickier commercial compilers. Let's check. Telephone bridge details: --------- ------ ------- - US toll-free 1-866-917-7696 - from outside US +1-517-345-1887 - Participant passcode 3524129 # Live Meeting URL: ---- ------- --- https://www.livemeeting.com/cc/dell/join?id=Projector+%26+Display+Mgt+St ds&role=attend&pw=PDM-PWG Note: when LiveMeeting requests "Name" on the first sign-in screen, it wants only a human-consumable version of your name, so that others can see who is in the meeting. Example: "Rick Landau (Dell)" File storage area on PWG web site: ---- ------- ---- -- --- --- ---- ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm PDM WIKI on the PWG Wiki Site: --- ---- -- --- --- ---- ---- http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/PDM Please take a look at the page, and bookmark it. And edit it if you see something wrong or want to include additional information. Yes, you have the privilege to edit the wiki. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They should be a lot closer to compiling with very few errors and warnings. rick ---------------------- Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/pdm/attachments/20071211/8fa608f0/attachment.html From blueroofmusic at gmail.com Tue Dec 11 17:58:48 2007 From: blueroofmusic at gmail.com (Ira McDonald) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:05 2009 Subject: PDM> [nearly perfect!] New files on FTP site Message-ID: Hi, Two compile errors (both bad DEFVAL for an Enum) at lines 969 and 979 in LightSource. Well done! Cheers, - Ira On Dec 11, 2007 3:23 PM, wrote: > > > > All in the ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/objects/ directory > > Last week: > Audio_v03.xml > Power_v14.xml > DisplaySet_v16.xml > Connector_v07.xml > Alert_v06.xml > Fan_v11.xml > > This week: > TempSensor_v08.xml > TempSwitch_v08.xml > > And the new MIBs: > skeleton-final-tc.mib > skeleton-final-mib.mib > > And the now-empty: > skeleton-final-names-too-long.txt > > > And all the files to build the MIB are in two archives: > xsl-mib-translate-20071211.zip and > xsl-mib-fragments-20071211.zip > > > Please try your MIB compilers on these new draft MIB files. They should be > a lot closer to compiling with very few errors and warnings. > > rick > ---------------------- > Richard_Landau(at)dell(dot)com, Stds & System Mgt Architecture, CTO Office > +1-512-728-9023, One Dell Way, RR5-3, MS RR5-09, Round Rock, TX 78682 -- Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 work: +1-906-494-2434 home: +1-906-494-2697 email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com From Richard_Landau at Dell.com Thu Dec 13 18:16:04 2007 From: Richard_Landau at Dell.com (Richard_Landau@Dell.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:01:05 2009 Subject: PDM> Posted concall minutes from yesterday Message-ID: <8546BF850DA5144EBE4E0486C86E36FCC7E526@ausx3mps304.aus.amer.dell.com> in ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pdm/minutes/minutes-20071212.doc And it contains good news! That's it for this year. Have a good holiday and I'll talk to you in January. 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