PWG> RE: Copyright statement in PWG documents [the thread about IEEE I STO Copyright for PWG proposed standards]

PWG> RE: Copyright statement in PWG documents [the thread about IEEE I STO Copyright for PWG proposed standards]

PWG> RE: Copyright statement in PWG documents [the thread about IEEE I STO Copyright for PWG proposed standards]

Hastings, Tom N hastings at cp10.es.xerox.com
Fri Feb 4 19:53:16 EST 2000


Here's the thread of discussion about IEEE ISTO Copyright for PWG proposed
standards, such as the "IPP: Production Printing Attributes - Set1" spec and
the "IPP: Exception Attributes for Documents and Pages" spec.

ISSUE:  When do we put in the copyright?

Do we need to put such a copyright in immediately for each PWG-Draft, or do
we put in it after Last Call for a PWG Proposed Standard, or when it becomes
an Approved PWG Standard?

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: don at lexmark.com [mailto:don at lexmark.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 06:46
To: hastings at cp10.es.xerox.com; cmanros at cp10.es.xerox.com
Subject: Copyright Statement


Here's the text  from the ISTO for copyright.

**********************************************
* Don Wright                 don at lexmark.com *
* Chair, Printer Working Group               *
* Chair, IEEE MSC                            *
*                                            *
* Director, Strategic & Technical Alliances  *
* Lexmark International                      *
* 740 New Circle Rd                          *
* Lexington, Ky 40550                        *
* 606-232-4808 (phone) 606-232-6740 (fax)    *
**********************************************

---------------------- Forwarded by Don Wright/Lex/Lexmark on 02/02/2000
09:45
AM ---------------------------

p.lefkin%staff.ieee.org at interlock.lexmark.com on 02/01/2000 05:30:28 PM

To:   Don Wright/Lex/Lexmark at Lexmark
cc:   a.salem%ieee.org at interlock.lexmark.com,
      c.tiritilli%ieee.org at interlock.lexmark.com
Subject:  RE: Copyright Statement



Don:

With regard to the Copyright Statement, below I've attached a generic
variation of the copyright statement we used in the first IEEE-ISTO Industry
Group Standard, IEEE-ISTO 5001-1999, The Nexus 5001 Forum Standard for a
Global Embedded Processor Debug Interface.  I've genericized it so that it
references a "document".  If the document is to be considered a Draft
IEEE-ISTO Industry Group Standard, I would suggest specifically referring to
the document as such.

The statement is very similar to the one used by the Internet Society for
the IETF.  The IEEE-ISTO statement was derived from the IEEE copyright
policies, and other policies of well known consortia.  The About IEEE-ISTO
and About the Printer Working Group could possibly be deleted to shorten it,
if necessary.

As you know, the copyright statement below is specific to the IEEE-ISTO and
the Printer Working Group, a program of the IEEE-ISTO.  For those documents
to be put forth within IEEE for standardization, the IEEE copyright policies
at the time of submission, would apply.

Let me know if you have any suggested edits or comments regarding the
statement

Regards,

Peter
----------------------------
Peter B. Lefkin
Secretary Treasurer and CFO
IEEE Industry Standards and Technology Organization (IEEE-ISTO)
445 Hoes Lane, PO Box 1331, Piscataway, NJ 08855-1331 USA
+1 732 562 3802 - (fax) +1 732 562 1571 - (mobile) +1 908 672 4929
p.lefkin at ieee.org - www.ieee-isto.org
______________

Copyright (C) 2000, IEEE Industry Standards and Technology Organization.
All rights reserved.

This document may be copied and furnished to others, and derivative works
that comment on, or otherwise explain it or assist in its implementation may
be prepared, copied, published and distributed, in whole or in part, without
restriction of any kind, provided that the above copyright notice, this
paragraph and the title of the Document as referenced below are included on
all such copies and derivative works.  However, this document itself may not
be modified in any way, such as by removing the copyright notice or
references to the IEEE-ISTO and the Printer Working Group, a program of the
IEEE-ISTO.

Title: TO BE COMPLETED

The IEEE-ISTO and the Printer Working Group DISCLAIM ANY AND ALL WARRANTIES,
WHETHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED INCLUDING (WITHOUT LIMITATION) ANY IMPLIED
WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.

The Printer Working Group, a program of the IEEE-ISTO, reserves the right to
make changes to the document without further notice.  The document may be
updated, replaced or made obsolete by other documents at any time.

The IEEE-ISTO takes no position regarding the validity or scope of any
intellectual property or other rights that might be claimed to pertain to
the implementation or use of the technology described in this document or
the extent to which any license under such rights might or might not be
available; neither does it represent that it has made any effort to identify
any such rights.

The IEEE-ISTO invites any interested party to bring to its attention any
copyrights, patents, or patent applications, or other proprietary rights
which may cover technology that may be required to implement the contents of
this document. The IEEE-ISTO and its programs shall not be responsible for
identifying patents for which a license may be required by a document and/or
IEEE-ISTO Industry Group Standard or for conducting inquiries into the legal
validity or scope of those patents that are brought to its attention.
Inquiries may be submitted to the IEEE-ISTO by e-mail at:
ieee-isto at ieee.org.

The Printer Working Group acknowledges that the IEEE-ISTO (acting itself or
through its designees) is, and shall at all times, be the sole entity that
may authorize the use of certification marks, trademarks, or other special
designations to indicate compliance with these materials.

Use of this document is wholly voluntary.  The existence of this document
does not imply that there are no other ways to produce, test, measure,
purchase, market, or provide other goods and services related to its scope.

About the IEEE-ISTO

The IEEE-ISTO is a not-for-profit corporation offering industry groups an
innovative and flexible operational forum and support services.  The
IEEE-ISTO provides a forum not only to develop standards, but also to
facilitate activities that support the implementation and acceptance of
standards in the marketplace.  The organization is affiliated with the IEEE
(http://www.ieee.org/) and the IEEE Standards Association
(http://standards.ieee.org/).

For additional information regarding the IEEE-ISTO and its industry programs
visit http://www.ieee-isto.org.


About the Printer Working Group

The Printer Working Group (or PWG) is a program of the IEEE Industry
Standard and Technology Organization (IEEE-ISTO) with member organizations
including printer manufacturers, print server developers, operating system
providers and print management application developers.  The group is
chartered to make printers and the applications and operating systems
supporting them work together better.

For additional information regarding the Printer Working Group visit
http://www.pwg.org


-----Original Message-----
From:     don at lexmark.com [mailto:don at lexmark.com]
Sent:     Tuesday, February 01, 2000 8:58 AM
To:  p.lefkin at ieee.org
Subject:  Copyright Statement

Does the ISTO have some boilerplate copyright statement we can include in
documents?  The text that we have used for IETF documents is:

----

Copyright (C) The Internet Society 1999.  All Rights Reserved.

  This document and translations of it may be copied and furnished to
  others, and derivative works that comment on or otherwise explain
  it or assist in its implementation may be prepared, copied,
  published and distributed, in whole or in part, without restriction
  of any kind, provided that the above copyright notice and this
  paragraph are included on all such copies and derivative works.
  However, this document itself may not be modified in any way, such
  as by removing the copyright notice or references to the Internet
  Society or other Internet organizations, except as needed for the
  purpose of developing Internet standards in which case the
  procedures for copyrights defined in the Internet Standards process
  must be followed, or as required to translate it into languages
  other than English.

  The limited permissions granted above are perpetual and will not be
  revoked by the Internet Society or its successors or assigns.

  This document and the information contained herein is provided on
  an "AS IS" basis and THE INTERNET SOCIETY AND THE INTERNET
  ENGINEERING TASK FORCE DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR
  IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO ANY WARRANTY THAT THE USE OF
  THE INFORMATION HEREIN WILL NOT INFRINGE ANY RIGHTS OR ANY IMPLIED
  WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
----

Remember, we want to encourage adoption and want to make the documents
freely available and distributable but retain copyright ownership.

If you have nothing, I would plan to start with this one and modify it
for our use.

**********************************************
* Don Wright                 don at lexmark.com *
* Chair, Printer Working Group               *
* Chair, IEEE MSC                            *
*                                            *
* Director, Strategic & Technical Alliances  *
* Lexmark International                      *
* 740 New Circle Rd                          *
* Lexington, Ky 40550                        *
* 606-232-4808 (phone) 606-232-6740 (fax)    *
**********************************************


---------------------- Forwarded by Don Wright/Lex/Lexmark on 02/01/2000
08:52
AM ---------------------------

imcdonald%sharplabs.com at interlock.lexmark.com on 01/31/2000 07:56:10 PM

To:   hastings%cp10.es.xerox.com at interlock.lexmark.com,
      ipp%pwg.org at interlock.lexmark.com
cc:    (bcc: Don Wright/Lex/Lexmark)
Subject:  RE: IPP> PPE - PWG IPP Production Printing Attributes - Set1 post
ed



Hi Tom,

I just read your issues list (but not the 37-page document yet).

I suggest that PWG specs that are *not* intended to become IETF
specs should instead become IEEE/ISTO specs - in which case they
would carry an IEEE copyright?  The PWG process precedes the
adoption of IEEE/ISTO member status, doesn't it?  Certainly
it is *not* appropriate to show an IETF copyright on non-IETF
documents and we should *never* publish any Internet-Draft
of a document not intended to be on the IETF 'standards track'.

Cheers,
- Ira McDonald (consulting architect at Sharp Labs America)
  High North Inc

-----Original Message-----
From: Hastings, Tom N [mailto:hastings at cp10.es.xerox.com]
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 3:21 PM
To: ipp
Subject: IPP> PPE - PWG IPP Production Printing Attributes - Set1 posted


I've posted a proposed set of PWG Production Printing Attributes - Set1 in:

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/new_PPE/pwg-ipp-prod-print-set1-000131.doc
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/new_PPE/pwg-ipp-prod-print-set1-000131.pdf

I created the separate sub-directory new_PPE (for Production Printing
Extensions).

Note:  At the recent IETF meeting, it was agreed that the new IETF IPP
Extensions WG (IPPEXT) would NOT work on Production Printing Extensions,
since there is little that the IETF could contribute.  So it was agreed at
the subsequent PWG meeting, that the PWG would work on Production Printing
extensions to IPP.  This is a first contribution.  It is on the agenda for
the PWG New Orleans meeting, next week, 2/9 and 2/10.

I took at stab at a pro forma for PWG standards, so take a look at it from
that point of view as well as at the content for production printing.

Here is the abstract:

This document specifies an extension to the Internet Printing Protocol/1.0
(IPP) [RFC2565, RFC2566] and IPP/1.1 [ipp-mod, ipp-pro].  This extension
consists primarily of Job Template attributes defined for submitting print
jobs to production printers.  These attributes permit a user to control
and/or override instructions in the document content to perform the
following functions:  print on document covers, insert sheets into the
document, provide an accounting id, request accounting sheets, provide job
sheet messages, request error sheets, provide a message to the operator,
provide a job recipient name in cases that is intended to be different from
the job submitter's name, control the media used for job sheets, request
media by characteristic (size, weight, etc.), control collation, and shift
the image.  This extension also defines the "current-page-order" Job
Description attribute and the 'none' out-of-band attribute value.

The document is 37 pages long.  It uses the 'collection' attribute syntax
extension.

There are 5 issues:

ISSUE 01 - Or should there be separate "xxx-supported" Printer Description
attributes for each "xxx" collection member attributes so that Job Template
attributes that have a collection do not have corresponding "xxx-supported"
with a collection?  See ISSUE 02 (section 3.10.12) for a concrete example
using "media-supported".

ISSUE 02 - Some of the attribute syntaxes of the "media-supported" member
attributes are not the same as the "media" member attributes since they
represent what the Printer supports, not what the client is supplying.
Should the member attributes of the "media-supported" collection be
"xxx-supported", instead of "xxx" member attributes?

Alternatively, it would be considerably simpler if the "media-supported"
remained simply a '1setOf (type3 keyword | name(MAX)) and there were
separate Printer Description attributes for each member attribute.  For
example, separate Printer Description attributes: "color-supported",
"opacity-supported", etc.   But their names need to have something about
"media" in them, say: "media-color-supported", "media-opacity-supported",
etc.  If so, should the original names of the member attributes also have a
prefix of "media-color" and "media-opacity", so that the usual simple IPP
rule is take the "xxx" that the client supplies as a Job Template (member)
attribute and add "-supported" to get the corresponding "xxx-supported"
Printer attribute?

ISSUE 03 - Should we change the name from "collate-sheets" to
"uncollated-sheets", since the absence of the attribute (and non-support of
this attribute) is more likely to indicate collated sheets and so should be
the 'false' value of the attribute, rather than the 'true' value?

ISSUE 04 - Should we move the definition of the 'none' out-of-band value to
the 'collection' specification (ipp-coll), since that document is IETF
standards track, while this one is PWG?

ISSUE 05 - What sort of copyright do we want for PWG documents, if any?  The
PWG Process paper says that the intent of PWG standards is to be "freely
usable" and "all PWG Members and Associates shall be free to use all
information received or publicly disclosed from the PWG", so not having any
PWG copyright will make that easier.

Please send comments to the DL.

Thanks,
Tom Hastings







-----Original Message-----
From: Manros, Carl-Uno B 
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 15:02
To: Wright, Don
Cc: Manros, Carl-Uno; Hastings, Tom; Herriot, Bob
Subject: Copyright statement in PWG documents


Don,

Tom has tried to write up the first PWG draft for a new IPP document.

We then discovered a few issues, which should be discussed next week:

1) the directory structure for PWG documents (as opposed to IETF documents)

2) a template for PWG drafts and standards

3) boiler plate text for things like summary and copyright statements

I would like you to make some room in the PWG part of the New Orleans agenda
to discuss these things.

Carl-Uno

Carl-Uno Manros
Principal Engineer - Xerox Architecture Center - Xerox Corporation
701 S. Aviation Blvd., El Segundo, CA, M/S: ESAE-231
Phone +1-310-333 8273, Fax +1-310-333 5514
Email: manros at cp10.es.xerox.com 



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