[SM3] Items to discuss at the forthcoming F2F meeting

[SM3] Items to discuss at the forthcoming F2F meeting

[SM3] Items to discuss at the forthcoming F2F meeting

Ira McDonald blueroofmusic at gmail.com
Mon Jul 21 21:34:22 UTC 2014


Hi Pete,

The underspecified #1 is that the JobReceipt targeted XxxSupplied
attributes are fine (should probably be kept for receipts), but we need
plain input elements for the mapping from a JDF job ticket to an IPP
Job.

Bending the XxxSupplied to be simple Xxx (for operation attributes)
is a broken semantic, IMHO.

At IPP WG meetings and PWG F2F meetings, we have repeatedly
confirmed this year that the IPP Implementors Guide and the JDF
mapping spec should NOT recommend or use top-level MediaType.
It can be left in the SM PJT schema (for compatibility with MS Print
Schema/XPS), but should NOT be use for mapping JDF to IPP.

Hope that helps clarify a bit.

Cheers,
- Ira


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On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler at xerox.com>
wrote:

> All,
> I would not recommend moving MediaType.  It can be copied to MediaCol.  (I
> thought it already was included.)  But the reason MediaType was added as a
> top level attribute was for Microsoft compatibility.  MediaType and
> MediaSize are both used in media selection on Microsoft.  It was felt that
> requiring the entire MediaCol just to pick up MediaType was overkill.
> I'm not sure of what to make of #1 below without more details.
>
> Peter Zehler
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: sm3-bounces at pwg.org [mailto:sm3-bounces at pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira
> McDonald
> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 4:00 PM
> To: Semantic Model 3.0 Workgroup discussion list; Ira McDonald
> Subject: Re: [SM3] Items to discuss at the forthcoming F2F meeting
>
> Hi Daniel,
>
> This change to PJT *spec* (removing MediaType as a top-level
> element) as well as others (removing XxxSupplied and adding plain
> equivalent input elements, e.g., Compression) CANNOT be done by Call For
> Objections (because of technical changes).
>
> A new version of PJT is necessary (also adding the large number of missing
> FinishingsCol member attributes), passing through the full PWG Process
> steps (Initial, Interim, Prototype, Stable, SM last call, PWG Last Call,
> and PWG Formal Vote).
>
> For discussion at PWG F2F - is this a minor (1.1) or major (2.0) update?
>  In my opinion, it's a major update (because not backward compatible w/ 1.0
> version).
>
> Cheers,
> - Ira
>
>
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Co-Chair - TCG Trusted
> Mobility Solutions WG Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary -
> IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing
> Protocol WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music /
> High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
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>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Manchala, Daniel <
> Daniel.Manchala at xerox.com
> > wrote:
>
> > While going through the SM3 schema, Bill came up with a few items to
> > discuss at the forthcoming F2F meeting in Toronto to be held in Aug 2014.
> >
> >
> > 1.       Group of elements in the current job ticket are inappropriate
> and
> > are probably related to the receipt.
> >
> > 2.       Change MediaType from top level to lower level in the MediaCol
> > tree => change the print job ticket schema. Should we do a call for
> > objections? This will make us to make changes both to the schema and
> > the
> > SM3 document.
> >
> > Attendees at the meeting:
> > Bill Wagner
> > Paul Tykodi
> > Norbert Schrade
> > Rick Yardumian
> > Daniel Manchala
> >
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