WIMS> RE: Counter MIB Last Call Comments

WIMS> RE: Counter MIB Last Call Comments

WIMS> RE: Counter MIB Last Call Comments

William A Wagner wamwagner at comcast.net
Sat Apr 9 16:43:19 EDT 2005


Gentlemen,

I agree with Ron that the descriptions are potentially misleading and at
best are not helpful. I agree with Ira that the counter MIB and the Counter
spec should use consistent terminology. However, the Counter Spec has
undergone much editing and does not explicitly define terms such as "black
media sheets", or "full color media sheets". 

The applicable definitions would probably be those of the form:

"MediaUsed.BlackSheets 	
	The total number of pieces of this specific media that have been
used and which only black colorant is placed on either side of the media."

... which is a bit cumbersome (I think I would reword this) but similar to
Ron's suggestion. 

Although it may be troublesome to define exactly the same terms in two
related documents, in that these definitions may be interpreted differently.
That does not appear to be the case here. I would suggest there is an
advantage to making the definitions in the MIB more useful (or alternately
to use the exact terms used in the Counter Spec, which would be structurally
difficult)

I would also object to some of Ron's alternate wordings in that the
definitions are different that thiose that may be inferred from the counter
spec. For example, 

icSheetFullColorSheets
        "Media sheets printed by this managed service (e.g., 
        'icServiceType' of 'print') or managed subunit (e.g., 
        'icSubunitType' of 'marker') using full color."

Does not have the same sense as the definition of full color implicit in the
Counter Spec. 

"MediaUsed.FullColorSheets 	
	The total number of pieces of this specific media that have been
used and which one or more non-black colorants is placed on either side of a
piece of media."

By the way, I expect that this should start up some comment on the Counter
spec definitions, since the wording is not only cumbersome, but would have
Highlighted products also counted as full color products. 

Bill Wagner



-----Original Message-----
From: owner-wims at pwg.org [mailto:owner-wims at pwg.org] On Behalf Of McDonald,
Ira
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 1:09 PM
To: 'Bergman, Ron'; wims at pwg.org
Cc: Harry Lewis (E-mail); McDonald, Ira
Subject: WIMS> RE: Counter MIB Last Call Comments

Hi Ron,

The first is a good catch - thanks.

The rest are rewordings that attempt to tersely redefine
what a 'black media sheet' (for example) means.  The
Counter MIB normatively imports these definitions from
the Counter Spec.  The rewordings are possibly dangerous
and add no value (in my opinion).  It is NOT the business
of the Counter MIB to redefine these terms at variance
with the Counter Spec.

My two cents,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839
phone: +1-906-494-2434
email: imcdonald at sharplabs.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: Bergman, Ron [mailto:Ron.Bergman at rpsa.ricoh.com]
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 6:25 PM
To: wims at pwg.org
Cc: Harry Lewis (E-mail); Ira McDonald (E-mail 3)
Subject: Counter MIB Last Call Comments


I have two comments on this document. 
1. Invalid examples in the description clause for: 
icKeySubunitType  The text "(e.g., print, copy, etc.)" is incorrect 
for this object.  Should be "(e.g., inputTray, outputBin, etc.)". 
2. Unclear wording in the description clauses for: 
icSheetBlackSheets: 
   Current: 
        "Black media sheets printed by this 
        managed service (e.g., 'icServiceType' of 'print') 
        or managed subunit (e.g., 'icSubunitType' of 'marker')." 
   Suggested: 
        "Media sheets printed by this managed service (e.g., 
        'icServiceType' of 'print') or managed subunit (e.g., 
        'icSubunitType' of 'marker') using only black colorant." 
icSheetBlankSheets 
   Current: 
        "Blank media sheets printed by this 
        managed service (e.g., 'icServiceType' of 'print') 
        or managed subunit (e.g., 'icSubunitType' of 'marker')." 
   Suggested: 
        "Media sheets printed by this managed service (e.g., 
        'icServiceType' of 'print') or managed subunit (e.g., 
        'icSubunitType' of 'marker') without an image." 
icSheetFullColorSheets 
   Current: 
        "Full color media sheets printed by this 
        managed service (e.g., 'icServiceType' of 'print') 
        or managed subunit (e.g., 'icSubunitType' of 'marker')." 
   Suggested: 
        "Media sheets printed by this managed service (e.g., 
        'icServiceType' of 'print') or managed subunit (e.g., 
        'icSubunitType' of 'marker') using full color." 
icSheetHighlightColorSheets 
   Current: 
        "Highlight color media sheets printed by this 
        managed service (e.g., 'icServiceType' of 'print') 
        or managed subunit (e.g., 'icSubunitType' of 'marker')." 
   Suggested: 
        "Media sheets printed by this managed service (e.g., 
        'icServiceType' of 'print') or managed subunit (e.g., 
        'icSubunitType' of 'marker') using a highlight color." 
icMediaUsedBlackSheets 
   Current: 
        "Black sheets of this specific media printed by this 
        managed service (e.g., 'icServiceType' of 'print') 
        or managed subunit (e.g., 'icSubunitType' of 'marker')." 
   Suggested: 
        "Sheets of this specific media printed by this managed service 
        (e.g., 'icServiceType' of 'print') or managed subunit (e.g., 
        'icSubunitType' of 'marker') using only black colorant." 
icMediaUsedBlankSheets 
   Current: 
        "Blank sheets of this specific media printed by this 
        managed service (e.g., 'icServiceType' of 'print') 
        or managed subunit (e.g., 'icSubunitType' of 'marker')." 
   Suggested: 
        "Sheets of this specific media printed by this managed service 
        (e.g., 'icServiceType' of 'print') or managed subunit (e.g., 
        'icSubunitType' of 'marker') without an image." 
icMediaUsedFullColorSheets 
   Current: 
        "Full color sheets of this specific media printed by this 
        managed service (e.g., 'icServiceType' of 'print') 
        or managed subunit (e.g., 'icSubunitType' of 'marker')." 
   Suggested: 
        "Sheets of this specific media printed by this managed service 
        (e.g., 'icServiceType' of 'print') or managed subunit (e.g., 
        'icSubunitType' of 'marker') using full color." 
icMediaUsedHighlightColorSheets 
   Current: 
        "Highlight color sheets of this specific media printed by this 
        managed service (e.g., 'icServiceType' of 'print') 
        or managed subunit (e.g., 'icSubunitType' of 'marker')." 
   Suggested: 
        "Sheets of this specific media printed by this managed service 
        (e.g., 'icServiceType' of 'print') or managed subunit (e.g., 
        'icSubunitType' of 'marker') using a highlight color." 
        Ron Bergman 
        Ricoh Printing Systems America 





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