WIMS> RE: Counter MIB questions

WIMS> RE: Counter MIB questions

WIMS> RE: Counter MIB questions

Stuart Rowley Stuart.Rowley at ktd-kyocera.com
Mon Jul 10 11:21:52 EDT 2006


Bill and Ira,

 

A unique media key seems necessary to me. I have looked at 5100.3, and
it seems it would take careful study for me to understand the
implementation of media key in this document. I just didn't get it in a
quick pass.

 

Thanks,

 

Stuart

 

Stuart Rowley

Kyocera Technology Development

 

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From: lynnewagner at comcast.net [mailto:lynnewagner at comcast.net] 
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 7:03 PM
To: McDonald, Ira; 'wamwagner at comcast.net'; Stuart Rowley
Cc: wims at pwg.org
Subject: RE: WIMS> RE: Counter MIB questions

 

Hello Ira,

 

Yes, that sounds good. Do we have any comments from the list?

 

Bill Wagner

 

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	-------------- Original message -------------- 
	From: "McDonald, Ira" <imcdonald at sharplabs.com> 

	Hi Bill,

	 

	The best solution would be to lead '...MediaInfo' as descriptive
and

	add a new attribute '...MediaKey' (see PWG 5100.3) that IS
unique.

	 

	This wants some consideration and discussion.

	 

	Cheers,

	- Ira

	Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
	Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
	PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839
	phone: +1-906-494-2434
	email: imcdonald at sharplabs.com 

		-----Original Message-----
		From: wamwagner at comcast.net
[mailto:wamwagner at comcast.net]
		Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 12:34 PM
		To: McDonald, Ira; 'Stuart Rowley'
		Cc: wims at pwg.org
		Subject: RE: WIMS> RE: Counter MIB questions

		Ira,

		 

		Understood. That is a problem with not prototyping,
although there is no guarentee that all issues will be found  when
prototyping. So, pending further discoveries, perhaps we should consider
an errata to the counter spec? I take it that we would add another
object, with 'icMediaUsedMediaInfo' being redefined and retyped as a
media qualifier and (perhaps) ''icMediaUsedMediaDescrip" being added for
user infomation?

		 

		Bill Wagner

		 

			-------------- Original message -------------- 
			From: "McDonald, Ira" <imcdonald at sharplabs.com> 

			Hi Bill,

			 

			I agree that 'icMediaUsedMediaInfo' is
overloaded with two probably

			incompatible uses, but it isn't the MIB that did
this overloading.  This

			is a bug in the PWG Candidate Standard Imaging
System Counters

			(PWG 5106.1) - see section 5.3 on the bottom of
page 27.

			 

			This bug cannot be fixed in the MIB
independently, without revision 

			of the source document's element semantics.

			 

			Cheers,

			- Ira

			 

			Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
			Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
			PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839
			phone: +1-906-494-2434
			email: imcdonald at sharplabs.com 

				-----Original Message-----
				From: wamwagner at comcast.net
[mailto:wamwagner at comcast.net]
				Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 4:36 PM
				To: McDonald, Ira; 'Stuart Rowley'
				Cc: wims at pwg.org
				Subject: Re: WIMS> RE: Counter MIB
questions

				OK. Ira, it seems that you agree with
Stuart that: 

				icMediaUsedMediaSizeName DisplayString
and

				icMediaUsedMediaInfo SnmpAdminString

				both are not localized. 

				 

				The former is a PWG 5101.1 defined
keyword; the latter is freeform in that it is not a public-spec defined
keyword, but operationally should be one of a set of strings defined for
use in a particular environment or with  a particular application.

				 

				This appears to overload
icMediaUsedMediaInfo as both a qualifying descriptor for media
identification and as a description for human consumption.

				 

				Since the MIB is informational only
(pending prototyping), and Stuart may be doing the prototyping, I would
suggest that we collect the issues discovered during this effort and
define an updated version of the MIB for resubmission as a candidate
standard. 

				 

				Bill Wagner

				 

				-------------- Original message
-------------- 
				From: "McDonald, Ira"
<imcdonald at sharplabs.com> 

				Hi Stuart,

				 

				The ASCII keyword in '...SizeName'
should NOT be localized, 

				but the equivalent elements in
'...MediaInfo' ARE supposed to 

				be localized.

				 

				But, because '...MediaInfo' in the
Abstact Counter spec (PWG 

				5106.1) and Counter MIB is required for
the key distinguishing 

				two instances of the same size media
(e.g., by color), it's highly

				undesirable to change the value of
'...MediaInfo' when the printer

				locale changes -  lousy side effects for
accounting applications.

				 

				Bill - I consider this a probable errata
against the Counter MIB.

				 

				Cheers,

				- Ira

				Ira McDonald (Musician / Software
Architect)
				Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
				PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839
				phone: +1-906-494-2434
				email: imcdonald at sharplabs.com 

				-----Original Message-----
				From: Stuart Rowley
[mailto:Stuart.Rowley at ktd-kyocera.com]
				Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 9:07 PM
				To: McDonald, Ira
				Cc: wims at pwg.org
				Subject: RE: Counter MIB questions

				Hi Ira,

				 

				Thanks for the quick reply. 

				 

				The description for
icMediaUsedMediaSizeName says:

				 

				"The media size self-describing name for
this specific media,

				for use with remote network management
scripts and GUIs,

				specified as a Unicode string encoded in
UTF-8 (RFC 3629)

				in the language specified in
'icGeneralNaturalLanguage'.

				 

				...so would this ASCII keyword be
localized...?

				 

				Thanks,

				 

				Stuart

				
________________________________


				From: McDonald, Ira
[mailto:imcdonald at sharplabs.com] 
				Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 12:47 PM
				To: Stuart Rowley; McDonald, Ira
				Cc: 'wims at pwg.org'
				Subject: RE: Counter MIB questions

				 

				Hi Stuart,

				 

				I copied the WIMS list, so others could
see my remarks and chime in.

				 

				The significance of
icMediaUsedMediaSizeName being DisplayString is

				that it MUST be strict ASCII (it's a
_keyword_ that follows the format in

				PWG 5101.1, not a free form name - even
a custom size name has a

				format and MUST be strict ASCII).

				 

				icMediaUsedMediaInfo is a description
that makes '...SizeName' unique for 

				instances of different (but same size)
media.  Because the IETF leaned

				on us hard to make all future MIB
descriptive strings be internationalized,

				it's of type SnmpAdminString (UTF-8) and
localized.

				 

				Now - nothing prevents you from making
the "localized" media info in

				Kyocera products be of the form:

				 

				  media-info = english-media-identifier
":" localized-description

				 

				So that your accounting applications use
the invariant identifier and

				save the localized-description (if at
all) in a separate database field

				that's informational.

				 

				Or you could cheat (I don't recommend
this) and leave the value of

				icGeneralNaturalLanguage empty and just
support all descriptive

				fields in US-English only (the default)
- I _really_ don't recommend

				this approach, because it's not very
customer-friendly.

				 

				Hope this helps,

				- Ira

				 

				Ira McDonald (Musician / Software
Architect)
				Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
				PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839
				phone: +1-906-494-2434
				email: imcdonald at sharplabs.com 

				-----Original Message-----
				From: Stuart Rowley
[mailto:Stuart.Rowley at ktd-kyocera.com]
				Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 1:47 PM
				To: McDonald, Ira
				Subject: Counters MIB questions

				Hi Ira,

				 

				I hope you had an enjoyable 4th of July
weekend. 

				 

				I have a couple questions about the
Counters spec and MIB regarding media used.

				 

				There are 3 objects used to describe the
media size and type.

				icMediaUsedMediaSizeName DisplayString,

				icMediaUsedMediaInfo SnmpAdminString,

				icMediaUsedMediaName SnmpAdminString

				 

				What is the significance of
icMediaUsedMediaSizeName using DisplayString and the others using
SnmpAdminString?

				 

				In the MIB it lists all three as being
localized, but it seems only icMediaUsedMediaName should be localized. I
need icMediaUsedMediaSizeName and icMediaUsedMediaInfo to be used by our
accounting apps to identify the size and type for billing purposes. This
would be hard to achieve using localized strings. Our apps would need to
read standardized names from these two objects. Am I missing something?

				 

				Thanks,

				 

				Stuart

				 

				Stuart Rowley

				Network Product Mgr.

				Kyocera Technology Development

				 

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