WIMS> RE: Counter MIB v1 - PWG Informational status

WIMS> RE: Counter MIB v1 - PWG Informational status

WIMS> RE: Counter MIB v1 - PWG Informational status

Walter Filbrich w.filbrich at samsung.com
Wed Apr 4 17:30:47 EDT 2007


Hello Ira,

I asked about implementing managed subunits because I'm not sure how many
features of the Counter MIB need to be implemented to allow us to say that
is has been prototyped.  

Another question on implementation:

A COPY job requires both scanning and printing.  I assumed that this will
require entries in both the Imaging Group and the Impressions Group
associated with the COPY Service key.

The Counter MIB Spec, section 6.2, lists the counters associated with the
COPY service.  There are no image counters listed, only impression
counters.  Does this mean I cannot have an Image Counter associated with the
COPY service?

Relative to the icWorkType for counters, is the "WorkTotals type mandatory
and the other work types optional?

Thanks,

/Walt




Walter Filbrich
Principal Engineer
Advanced Printing Software Lab
Samsung Information Systems America
3345 Michelson Drive, Suite 350
Irvine, CA 92612

Tel:  949 797 8085
Fax: 949 797 8099
w.filbrich at samsung.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-wims at pwg.org [mailto:owner-wims at pwg.org] On Behalf Of McDonald,
Ira
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 9:33 AM
To: McDonald, Ira; wamwagner at comcast.net; Walter Filbrich; Farrell, Lee;
wims at pwg.org
Cc: thrasher at lexmark.com; Harry Lewis
Subject: RE: WIMS> RE: Counter MIB v1 - PWG Informational status

Hi Walt,

OOPS - forgot to answer your first question, to whit: 

  1) Is it OK to have only managed services (e.g. Print, Copy, 
     etc) and not have any managed subunits? 

YES - In fact you don't have to implement ANY specific 
managed service entries - just one for the special type
"systemTotals(3)" (for the system rollup counters).

Please note that DESCRIPTION clauses in OBJECT-TYPE
macros are Informative.  The only Normative conformance
statements in any MIB are in the MODULE-COMPLIANCE
macro and GROUP and OBJECT clauses (for any optional
or conditionally mandatory groups or objects).  

See "icMIBCompliance" on page 50 of the Counter MIB v1
spec "info-wimscountmib10-20051223.pdf".

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839
phone: +1-906-494-2434
email: imcdonald at sharplabs.com

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-wims at pwg.org [mailto:owner-wims at pwg.org]On Behalf Of
McDonald, Ira
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 10:50 AM
To: wamwagner at comcast.net; Walter Filbrich; Farrell, Lee; wims at pwg.org
Cc: thrasher at lexmark.com; Harry Lewis
Subject: WIMS> RE: Counter MIB v1 - PWG Informational status


Hi Walt,

Inline comments to your questions below.

By the way, I never received your questions in the first
place - what email address did you send them to, please?

Cheers,
- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839
phone: +1-906-494-2434
email: imcdonald at sharplabs.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: wamwagner at comcast.net [mailto:wamwagner at comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 7:19 PM
To: Walter Filbrich; McDonald, Ira; 'Farrell, Lee'
Cc: thrasher at lexmark.com; 'Harry Lewis'
Subject: RE: Counter MIB v1 - PWG Informational status


Walter,

Thanks for your interesting comment. This would suggest that the working
group really ought to spend some time on Ira's MIB. As you know, although
the printer MIB does require some groups of the hrMIB to be supported, it
does not require any part of hrSWxxx. Further, although I cannot say that 
no printer supports this, I have not seen a mib walk of any one that does.
The counter MIB statement appears to suugest that such support is part of
hrMib support for printers, and as such is misleading.

Bill Wagner

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Walter Filbrich <w.filbrich at samsung.com> 

> Hello Ira, 
> 
> I have the following questions relative to prototyping the Counter MIB: 
> 
> 1) Is it OK to have only managed services (e.g. Print, Copy, etc) and not 
> have any managed subunits? 
> 2) On page 8 of the MIB spec, in the definition of icKeyServiceIndex,
under 
> "Description", there is the following statement: 
> 
> "If an Imaging System also implements the Host Resources MIB 
> (RFC 1514/2790) then the value of 'icKeyServiceIndex' for each 
> configured managed service SHOULD be the same as the value of 
> 'hrSWRunIndex' and 'hrSWInstalledIndex' for that service.". 
> 
> Does this imply that we need an entry for hrSWInstalled in the Host 
> Resources MIB? We implement the H ost Resources MIB, but do not have
entries 
> for hrSWInstalled. . 

<ira>
No - I'll improve that description, which was meant to be
conditional on the implementation option of _both_ the HR MIB
and the HRSWxxx tables in the HR MIB.

The Counter MIB does NOT require (or need) the implementation
of the Printer MIB or Finisher MIB.
</ira>


> 
> - Should there be entries in the Host Resources MIB for hrSWInstalled" for

> an MFP (supporting COPY, Scan etc) or is this optional? 

<ira>
It's all optional - but, if you choose to implement a row
for the Print software/firmware, then it seems appropriate
to also implement a row for Scan, Copy, Fax, etc.  

Please note that the Counter MIB is talking about Print
_Service_, NOT the Print Device - that's by design in the
PWG Abstract Counter spec, which purposely ignores devices.
</ira>


> 
> - If hrSWInstalled is optional, can we use any unused index for 
> icKeyServiceIndex? 

<ira>
Yes - you can use any value you choose - they do NOT have to
be contiguous.
</ira>


> 
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> /Walt 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Walter Filbrich 
> Principal Engineer 
> Advanced Printing Software Lab 
> Samsung Information Systems America 
> 3345 Michelson Drive, Suite 350 
> Irvine, CA 92612 
> 
> Tel: 949 797 8085 
> Fax: 949 797 8099 
> w.filbrich at samsung.com 
> 
> This message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above and may 
> contain confidential or privileged information or protected attorney work 
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> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: McDonald, Ira [mailto:imcdonald at sharplabs.com] 
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 7:22 AM 
> To: Farrell, Lee; Walter Filbrich; McDonald, Ira 
> Cc: wamwagner at comcast.net; thrasher at lexmark.com; Harry Lewis 
> Subject: RE: Counter MIB v1 - PWG Informational status 
> 
> Hi Walt and Lee, 
> 
> Actually the Counter MIB v1 was Formally Approved (by vote) 
> as a PWG Informational specification (rather than Candidate 
> Standard, because we didn't have a prototype) and published 
> on the PWG FTP server in the directory: 
> 
> ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/in format ional 
> 
> in the files: 
> 
> info-wimscountmib10-20051223.doc 
> info-wimscountmib10-20051223.mib 
> info-wimscountmib10-20051223.pdf 
> 
> 
> *** PWG Officers - note that the PWG website doesn't have any 
> link to our quite a few formally approved PWG Informational 
> specs (e.g., all of our Requirements specs since PSI) - this 
> seems a rather high-profile oversight. *** 
> 
> 
> Recently, while preparing the draft for Counter MIB v2 
> (which I'll publish within the next week, by the way), 
> I found small documentation errors in the Description 
> clauses of a few 'icMediaUsedTable' objects. 
> 
> Counter MIB v2 will be 100% backward compatible with 
> Counter MIB v1, but will add five new objects: 
> 
> icMediaUsedMediaAccountingKey 
> appended to icMediaUsedTable 
> 
> icServiceState and icServiceStateMessage > appended to icServiceTable 
> 
> icSubunitStatus and icSubunitStatusMessage 
> appended to icSubunitTable 
> 
> And one entirely new table: 
> 
> icSubunitMapTable 
> to map services to their subunits (since more 
> than one service may share the same subunit) 
> 
> Walt - if your Samsung team can prototype the Counter 
> MIB v2, then it can move (via PWG Last Call and Formal 
> Approval vote) to Candidate Standard status. 
> 
> Cheers, 
> - Ira 
> 
> 
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) 
> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG 
> Blue Roof Music / High North Inc 
> PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 
> phone: +1-906-494-2434 
> email: imcdonald at sharplabs.com 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Farrell, Lee [mailto:Lee.Farrell at cda.canon.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 7:15 PM 
> ; To: Walter Filbrich 
> Cc: McDonald, Ira; wamwagner at comcast.net 
> Subject: RE: Counter MIB 
> 
> 
> Hi Walt, 
> 
> Glad to hear about Samsung's interest in this! 
> 
> [I have copied two people on this response that are most knowledgeable 
> about the Counter MIB -- Bill Wagner (WIMS WG Chair) and Ira McDonald 
> (all-around doer of good works on this spec). Hopefully one or both of 
> them will pick up this thread with you and carry it forward.] 
> 
> To the best of my knowledge, the Counter MIB is in the state of 
> "post-Candidate Standard update". There was a recent change to the 
> document which should be resulting in another approval round soon. 
> (Bill/Ira -- is this correct?) Based on a status slide at the Feb 
> meeting, "Steering Committee recommendation to republish after WG 
> approval and PWG Call for Objections" 
> 
> And yes, the spec is in nee d of prototyping. The latest draft is at: 
> ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wims/wd/wd-wimscount10-20070212.pdf (and 
> .doc). 
> 
> Please feel free to discuss this in more detail with Bill and/or Ira. 
> They are much closer to the detailed goings-on than I am. 
> 
> I've attached an email that discusses the recent changes. 
> 
> Cheers, 
> 
> Lee 
> 
> ________________________________ 
> 
> From: Walter Filbrich [mailto:] 
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 9:38 AM 
> To: Farrell, Lee 
> Subject: Counter MIB 
> 
> 
> 
> Lee, 
> 
> 
> 
> I know there have been several recent modifications to the Counter spec 
> and these will be reflected in the Counter MIB. In reviewing the 
> previous meeting minutes, I realized that I am not sure about the status 
> if the Counter MIB itself. Is this MIB in Draft state? Has it be en 
> prototyped or is there a request for it to be prototyped? Can you send 
> me a link to the Counter MIB? I am trying to make a case at Samsung 
> that we should volunteer to prototype some of the PWG requests, but I'm 
> not sure if the Counter MIB falls into that category. 
> 
> 
> 
> /Walt 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Walter Filbrich 
> Principal Engineer 
> Advanced Printing Software Lab 
> Samsung Information Systems America 
> 3345 Michelson Drive, Suite 350 
> Irvine, CA 92612 
> 
> Tel: 949 797 8085 
> Fax: 949 797 8099 
> w.filbrich at samsung.com 
> 
> This message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above and may 
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> 
> 
> 
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