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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>メッセージ</TITLE> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.5346.5" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=776482503-06102006><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>Hello Kojima-san,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=776482503-06102006><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=776482503-06102006><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>I don't believe these changes would have any effect on loss of content.  If an author tries to put too much information in too small an area, some content could get clipped (if overflow is 'hidden') or things could print on top of each other (if overflow is 'visible' or 'auto').  But these changes don't make that situation any better or any worse.  (Well, maybe a little better, since there will be a little more space available in the margin area.  Or maybe a little worse because a border might overlay some text.)</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=776482503-06102006><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=776482503-06102006><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>Best wishes,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=776482503-06102006><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=776482503-06102006><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000ff size=2>Melinda</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left> <HR tabIndex=-1> <FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Kojima Shoji [mailto:Kojima.Shoji@exc.epson.co.jp] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 27, 2006 3:26 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Grant, Melinda; xp@pwg.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: XP> [CSS Paged Media] Margin Boxes and the Page Border<BR></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=438431522-27092006><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>Hello Melinda-san,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=438431522-27092006><FONT color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=438431522-27092006><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>I know it may be late. But I think this is one of the important things for basic concept of XHTML.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=438431522-27092006><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>So I would like to make some comment for this issue.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=438431522-27092006><FONT color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=438431522-27092006> <DIV><SPAN class=315352220-26092006><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>Epson understands one of the most important benefit of XHTML is <SPAN class=438431522-27092006>p</SPAN>reservation of contents.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN class=315352220-26092006><SPAN class=438431522-27092006>T</SPAN>hese proposals seems that some of contents could be lost. Contents creator must think about possibility of lost of data depending on devices <SPAN class=438431522-27092006>which </SPAN>show<SPAN class=438431522-27092006>s</SPAN> contents, display, printed paper and so on.<SPAN class=438431522-27092006> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN class=315352220-26092006>It brings another complexity to authors. It <SPAN class=438431522-27092006>is </SPAN>sometimes unexpected<SPAN class=438431522-27092006> for authors</SPAN>. We should be careful for such important things.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=+0><FONT color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=315352220-26092006><SPAN class=438431522-27092006>I may make misunderstanding.. If so please let me know.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=315352220-26092006><FONT face="ＭＳ Ｐゴシック" color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=315352220-26092006><SPAN class=438431522-27092006><FONT face="ＭＳ Ｐゴシック" color=#0000ff size=2>Best Regards</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=315352220-26092006><SPAN class=438431522-27092006><FONT face="ＭＳ Ｐゴシック" color=#0000ff size=2>---</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=315352220-26092006><SPAN class=438431522-27092006><FONT face="ＭＳ Ｐゴシック" color=#0000ff size=2>Shoji KOJIMA</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV></DIV> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=ja dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> owner-xp@pwg.org [mailto:owner-xp@pwg.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Grant, Melinda<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 22, 2006 7:15 AM<BR><B>To:</B> xp@pwg.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> XP> [CSS Paged Media] Margin Boxes and the Page Border<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#008000 size=2><SPAN class=257430716-21092006>The CSS WG is reviewing CSS3 Paged Media in preparation for publishing a new version.  Some questions have been raised and some proposals for changes made.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#008000 size=2><SPAN class=257430716-21092006></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <UL> <LI><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#008000 size=2><SPAN class=257430716-21092006>Section 4.2 defines margin boxes so that they do not extend across the page border.  This creates a gap of one border width between, for example, the 'top-left-corner' and the 'top-left' boxes.  (An example test file is attached.)  The WG proposes to change this. (We haven't yet discussed the specifics of how it will be changed.  I assume we will allow the non-corner boxes to extend across the border region so that they are contiguous with the corner boxes.)  </SPAN></FONT> <LI><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#008000 size=2><SPAN class=257430716-21092006>Section 4.2 also describes how overconstrained margin boxes should be resolved.  "<FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3>Values of the <SPAN class=property>'width'</SPAN>, <SPAN class=property>'height',</SPAN> <SPAN class=property>'padding'</SPAN>, <SPAN class=property>'margin'</SPAN>, and <SPAN class=property>'border'</SPAN> properties for these boxes that result in a value larger than the maximum <EM class=RFC2119 title="MUST in RFC 2119 context">MUST</EM> be ignored from the outside in, that is first the margin, then the border, and so forth."  <FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><FONT color=#008000>The CSS WG proposes to change this so that padding and border are never ignored (instead, boxes will overlap).  This is more consistent with other cases of overconstraint within CSS.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></LI></UL> <DIV><SPAN class=257430716-21092006><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#008000 size=2>If you have objections to either of these proposed changes, please respond ASAP!</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=257430716-21092006><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#008000 size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=257430716-21092006><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#008000 size=2>Best wishes,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=257430716-21092006><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#008000 size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=257430716-21092006><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#008000 size=2>Melinda</FONT></SPAN></DIV><FONT size=2> <P align=left><BR>  _____ <BR><BR>HP  -   Melinda Grant<BR>Connectivity Standards <BR>Consumer Printing and Imaging<BR>+1 (541) 582-3681<BR>melinda.grant@hp.com   <BR>  _____ <BR><BR></P></FONT> <DIV> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>