PMP Mail Archive: PMP> RE: Please appoint Designated Expert

PMP Mail Archive: PMP> RE: Please appoint Designated Expert

PMP> RE: Please appoint Designated Expert for Printer MIB

From: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) (bwijnen@lucent.com)
Date: Thu Jul 21 2005 - 13:41:11 EDT

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    Sounds fine to me.
    I would appreciate if I get copied on the review requests/responses
    (since it is all on MIB objects/TCs).

    Bert

    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: McDonald, Ira [mailto:imcdonald@sharplabs.com]
    > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 19:14
    > To: 'Wijnen, Bert (Bert)'; McDonald, Ira; 'Bergman, Ron'; pmp@pwg.org;
    > 'Harry Lewis'
    > Cc: 'hardie@qualcomm.com'; 'sah@428cobrajet.net'
    > Subject: Please appoint Designated Expert for Printer MIB
    >
    >
    > Hi Ted and Scott,
    >
    > We need to send a new enum to IANA for the IANA Printer MIB.
    >
    > We request that you appoint Harry Lewis (chair of IEEE/ISTO PWG,
    > co-editor of RFC 3805/3806) as the Designated Expert for the IANA
    > Printer MIB and IANA Finisher MIB modules.
    >
    > Cheers,
    > - Ira (co-editor of RFC 3805/3806)
    >
    > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
    > Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
    > PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839
    > phone: +1-906-494-2434
    > email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com
    >
    > > -----Original Message-----
    > > From: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [mailto:bwijnen@lucent.com]
    > > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 2:40 PM
    > > To: McDonald, Ira; 'Bergman, Ron'; pmp@pwg.org
    > > Subject: RE: PMP> Restructured Port MIB (18 July 2005)
    > >
    > >
    > > Given that most other TCs in the same IANA maintained MIB module
    > > in fact DO have a enum of: unknown(2)
    > > I can even see it would be very easy to make the case that it was
    > > an error/omission that the PrtChannelTypeTC does not have it.
    > >
    > > I do not see why this would need to take more than a few weeks
    > > in fact. The addition (as far as I can tell) can be made by
    > > expert review (to be designated by APPS ADs).
    > >
    > > Do you want to give it a try?
    > >
    > > Bert
    > >
    > > > -----Original Message-----
    > > > From: McDonald, Ira [mailto:imcdonald@sharplabs.com]
    > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 17:38
    > > > To: 'Bergman, Ron'; McDonald, Ira; Wijnen, Bert (Bert);
    > pmp@pwg.org
    > > > Subject: RE: PMP> Restructured Port MIB (18 July 2005)
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Hi Ron,
    > > >
    > > > Based on previous IPP experience, it will take MONTHS to add one
    > > > new enum to the PrtChannelTypeTC with IANA - that would stop the
    > > > Port Mon MIB dead in its tracks until it was accepted by IANA.
    > > >
    > > > About ppmPrinterEnabled - same rationale as ppmPortEnabled - keeps
    > > > the number of Printer entries STATIC in an implementation - lets
    > > > the user see that the one Printer (i.e., hardward output
    > interface)
    > > > on an External Network Adapter should presently be ignored.
    > > >
    > > > Remember that the Port Mon MIB MUST NOT depend on either Host
    > > > Resources or Printer MIB, by common concensus - it may only
    > > > AUGMENT them, if they are present.
    > > >
    > > > Cheers,
    > > > - Ira
    > > >
    > > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
    > > > Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
    > > > PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839
    > > > phone: +1-906-494-2434
    > > > email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com
    > > >
    > > > > -----Original Message-----
    > > > > From: Bergman, Ron [mailto:Ron.Bergman@rpsa.ricoh.com]
    > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 7:40 PM
    > > > > To: McDonald, Ira; Wijnen, Bert (Bert); pmp@pwg.org
    > > > > Subject: RE: PMP> Restructured Port MIB (18 July 2005)
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > Ira,
    > > > >
    > > > > I am not sure what value ppmPrinterEnabled adds to the MIB.
    > > > > This appears to be analogous to
    > > > > On Line/Off Line. If I want to create a driver for the
    > > > > printer I don't care what the current
    > > > > state is. That information is only necessary when I am ready
    > > > > to print and then this MIB is
    > > > > not used.
    > > > >
    > > > > I believe that Bert has a valid point in using
    > > > > ppmPortProtocolType. It is not a major effort
    > > > > to add unknown(2) to the IANA registrations.
    > > > >
    > > > > Otherwise, the changes are inline with our discussions
    > > > > following the test.
    > > > >
    > > > > Ron
    > > > >
    > > > > -----Original Message-----
    > > > > From: pmp-owner@pwg.org [mailto:pmp-owner@pwg.org]On Behalf
    > > > > Of McDonald,
    > > > > Ira
    > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 9:46 AM
    > > > > To: 'Wijnen, Bert (Bert)'; McDonald, Ira; 'pmp@pwg.org'
    > > > > Subject: RE: PMP> Restructured Port MIB (18 July 2005)
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > Hi Bert,
    > > > >
    > > > > Thanks for your quick feedback. My replies inline below.
    > > > >
    > > > > Cheers,
    > > > > - Ira
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
    > > > > Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
    > > > > PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839
    > > > > phone: +1-906-494-2434
    > > > > email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com
    > > > >
    > > > > > -----Original Message-----
    > > > > > From: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [mailto:bwijnen@lucent.com]
    > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 9:08 AM
    > > > > > To: McDonald, Ira; 'pmp@pwg.org'
    > > > > > Subject: RE: PMP> Restructured Port MIB (18 July 2005)
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Only did a very very quick scan.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Comments.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > - ppmPortProtocolTargetPort OBJECT-TYPE
    > > > > > SYNTAX Integer32 (0..65535)
    > > > > > I propose that you use InetPortNumber TC from RFC4001
    > > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > Won't work, because this port is not limited to Internet Suite
    > > > > protocols. The 'service:' URI in ppmPortServiceNameOrURI may
    > > > > also be for non-Internet suites (AppleTalk, NetWare, etc.).
    > > > >
    > > > > I'll correct the DESCRIPTION in the MIB and make clear that
    > > > > (as with the Printer MIB) ports/channels may be from multiple
    > > > > protocol suites.
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > > - ppmPortProtocolType OBJECT-TYPE
    > > > > > SYNTAX Integer32 (0..2147483647)
    > > > > >
    > > > > > WHy not use TC PrtChannelTypeTC as the SYNTAX?
    > > > > > I do see that you want to use zero (meaning not supported).
    > > > > > But maybe better is to use none(1) in that case, or maybe
    > > > > > adding an enumeration to the TC of notSupported(xx) ??
    > > > > > It is now an IANA-maintained TC, so it should not be that
    > > > > > difficult to get a label added.
    > > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > Won't work. PrtChannelTypeTC currently only defines 'other(1)'
    > > > > and (foolishly) does NOT define 'unknown(2)' (unlike every other
    > > > > textual convention in the Printer MIB). Because the Printer MIB
    > > > > v2 still doesn't define DEFVAL clauses for most objects, this
    > > > > oversight has not surfaced before. We could register
    > > 'unknown(2)'
    > > > > with IANA, but _not_ fast enough (because this MIB's
    > > going into OS
    > > > > and printer vendor products right now).
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > > - ppmPortPrtChannelIndex has a reference to RFC1213, while I
    > > > > > think I would reather reference RFC2863 (the current IF-MIB)
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Bert
    > > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > Agreed. My mistake from the old Printer MIB (RFC 1759).
    > > > >
    > > > > I'll correct the references in the MIB.
    > > > > - Ira
    > > > >
    > > >
    > >
    >



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