[Cloud] Revised charter

[Cloud] Revised charter

Ira McDonald blueroofmusic at gmail.com
Thu Aug 18 16:26:38 UTC 2011


Hi Pete,

Thanks for your good clarifications.  I like combining in the single
PWG Print Job Ticket spec the job ticket, capabilities, and default
job ticket (DMTF settings).

Therefore, I've incorporated *both* PWG PrintJobTicket and
PrintServiceCapabilities element groups in the scope of my
suggested revision:

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/cloud/wd/wd-cloud-charter-20110818.pdf / doc
- clean with all changes accepted

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/cloud/wd/wd-cloud-charter-20110818-rev.pdf / doc
- cumulative redlines

Cheers,

PS - I'm not very happy about the changed dates for the various
Cloud Imaging first edition (Print) specs - these should be discussed
in detail at the Cloud Imaging WG teleconference next Monday.

- Ira

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
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On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Zehler, Peter <Peter.Zehler at xerox.com>wrote:

> Ira,****
>
> I view the Printer Capabilities and Print Job Ticket as linked.  The Print
> Job Ticket spec I’m drafting describes the different  uses of the Print Job
> Ticket  including****
>
> **1)      **It is used in a job submission protocol to carry the User’s
> request.  ****
>
> **2)      **It is  used in a PrintJob object to indicate the accepted
> request that might have been modified to resolve conflicting or unsupported
> elements.****
>
> **3)      **It is used in the PrintJob is to carry the applied
> PrintJobTickets elements as a PrintJob is processed by the Printer (i.e.,
> PrintJobReceipt/xxx-applied). ****
>
> **4)      **It is used by the Printer to indicate the default values for
> the Printer (i.e., PrintServiceDefaults/xxx-default).  ****
>
> **5)      **It is used by the Printer to indicate the capabilities of the
> Printer (i.e., PrintServiceCapabilities/xxx-supported).  ****
>
> **6)      **It is used by the Printer to indicate the capabilities of the
> Printer available without operator intervention (i.e.,
> PrintServiceCapabilitiesReady/xxx-ready).
>
> ****
>
> I have not written the capabilities section yet but I see it mainly as a
> table indicating the element name and associated capabilities syntax along
> with some verbiage to explain the relationships.  The capabilities elements
> are used to indicate if a Print Job Ticket element is supported by the
> Printer and the supported values.****
>
> ** **
>
> For Cloud printing the Client needs a Print Job Ticket.  The Client may to
> know the capabilities and defaults.  It is preferable to have a scalable
> Client that can adapt the capability of a Cloud Printer.  Of course a Client
> can be written to a limited subset of the model but even then it may be
> useful to examine the capabilities to determine if simple features such as
> color printing are supported.****
>
> ** **
>
> I view the Print Job Ticket, its supported elements and allowed values
> (i.e., capabilities), and its default values as a single specification.  I’d
> also point out that Google Cloud Print uses PPD and PSF as a Ticket, Default
> and Capabilities as well.****
>
> ** **
>
> Pete ****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Peter Zehler
>
> Xerox Research Center Webster
> Email: Peter.Zehler at Xerox.com
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> ** **
>
> *From:* cloud-bounces at pwg.org [mailto:cloud-bounces at pwg.org] *On Behalf Of
> *Ira McDonald
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:38 AM
> *To:* Michael Sweet; Ira McDonald
> *Cc:* cloud at pwg.org
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Cloud] Revised charter****
>
> ** **
>
> Hi,
>
>
> I believe both the title and description of the new spec need changes:
>
> (1) Title should be
>      "Mapping of PWG Job Ticket to/from MSPS, PPD, and JDF (PJTMAP)"
>      - per last week's minutes and our F2F discussion, JDF in scope
>
> (2) Document filename should be
>      "wd-cloudpjtmap10-yyyymmdd"
>
> (3) Description should be strictly limited to PWG Job Ticket (the
>      only normative reference needed for this mapping spec) and
>      name MSPS, Adobe PPD, and CIP4 JDF
>
> (4) If our scope is expanded to address PrintServiceCapabilities,
>      then a SECOND mapping spec should be written, not a muddy
>      scope job ticket mapping spec
>
> (5) Both directory (charter) and prefix (ch) are wrong in this
>      Interim draft, per PWG Naming Policy
>
> The term "PWG semantic elements" is far too fuzzy to be source
> or target for mapping - also there is no proposal to map the vast
> majority of PWG SM/2.0 elements or objects.
>
> The urgent issue is non-PWG *job ticket* usage in Cloud offerings
> - capabilities are and will continue to be advertised and discovered
> by a number of different means in Cloud Print implementations.
>
> Cheers,
> - Ira
>
>
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG
> Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SWG
> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic
> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc
> mailto:blueroofmusic at gmail.com
> Christmas through April:
>   579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176
>   734-944-0094
> May to Christmas:
>   PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI 49839
>   906-494-2434****
>
>
>
> ****
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet at apple.com> wrote:**
> **
>
> The changes look good to me; aside from the editorial comments about the MS
> licensing of MSPS, and the filename (should be "wd" until approved :) I
> think we are good to go...****
>
> ** **
>
> I will fix the minutes tonight...****
>
> ** **
>
> On Aug 17, 2011, at 3:33 PM, William Wagner wrote:****
>
> ** **
>
> In accord with the information in the minutes of the face-to-face Cloud
> Meeting minutes of 2 August (
> ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/cloud/minutes/cloud-f2f-minutes-20110802.pdf), I
> have revised the existing, approved  Cloud Imaging WG charter and posted an
> interim draft.****
>
> ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/cloud/wd/ch-cloud-charter-20110818-rev.pdf****
>
> ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/cloud/wd/ch-cloud-charter-20110818.docx****
>
>  ****
>
> I sought to make changes in a way consistent with the original. In the
> interests of using concall time effectively, I request that those who prefer
> different wording or abbreviations post their preferred version, and that
> discussion be focused on content. One issue that needs to be resolved is
> under comment W1. “Considering that Semantic Model V2 is not yet formalized,
> but represents the preferred model, what do we use as a reference? If the to
> be issued PJT, do we loose mapping to the SM elements related to printer
> description?”****
>
>  ****
>
> Since the charter already separated out the print and multifunction
> document activity milestones, I made no changes to these other than the
> dates.****
>
>  ****
>
> (I should also observe the minutes cited above have an incorrect title and
> date)****
>
> Thanks,****
>
>  ****
>
> Bill Wagner****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
>
>  ****
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