From ElliottBradshaw at oaktech.com Tue Nov 26 14:02:12 2002 From: ElliottBradshaw at oaktech.com (ElliottBradshaw@oaktech.com) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:38 2009 Subject: CR> Test - please ignore Message-ID: ------------------------------------------ Elliott Bradshaw Director, Software Engineering Oak Technology Imaging Group 781 638-7534 From ElliottBradshaw at oaktech.com Thu Dec 5 11:51:25 2002 From: ElliottBradshaw at oaktech.com (ElliottBradshaw@oaktech.com) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:38 2009 Subject: CR> Let's get started Message-ID: Folks, Welcome to the CR reflector. I would like to see if there is interest in holding a teleconference next week. Agenda: 1. Overview of our process, goals, deliverables 2. Discussion of charter 3. Discussion of background paper (which I will post Real Soon Now) 4. Goals for Maui 5. Future teleconference schedule And I thought of doing it next Wed., 12/11, at 1:00 Eastern time. Please let me know if you are interested in attending, and whether that time is good for you. E. ------------------------------------------ Elliott Bradshaw Director, Software Engineering Oak Technology Imaging Group 781 638-7534 From jim.bigelow at hp.com Thu Dec 5 12:11:00 2002 From: jim.bigelow at hp.com (BIGELOW,JIM (HP-Boise,ex1)) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:38 2009 Subject: CR> Let's get started Message-ID: <25C4C6009B5BD5118FF30003470BF7F507685A82@xboi04.boi.hp.com> Hello, I'm interested in attending a phone conference next week. I'm available on Tuesday 1 pm to 2 pm EDT and Thursday from 1pm EDT. As well as after 5pm EDT each Mon - Thursday. Jim Bigelow Hewlett-Packard 206-444-0437 Jim.bigelow@hp.com -----Original Message----- From: ElliottBradshaw@oaktech.com [mailto:ElliottBradshaw@oaktech.com] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 8:51 AM To: cr@pwg.org Subject: CR> Let's get started Folks, Welcome to the CR reflector. I would like to see if there is interest in holding a teleconference next week. Agenda: 1. Overview of our process, goals, deliverables 2. Discussion of charter 3. Discussion of background paper (which I will post Real Soon Now) 4. Goals for Maui 5. Future teleconference schedule And I thought of doing it next Wed., 12/11, at 1:00 Eastern time. Please let me know if you are interested in attending, and whether that time is good for you. E. ------------------------------------------ Elliott Bradshaw Director, Software Engineering Oak Technology Imaging Group 781 638-7534 From don at lexmark.com Thu Dec 5 14:57:37 2002 From: don at lexmark.com (don@lexmark.com) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:38 2009 Subject: CR> Let's get started Message-ID: I'm not available at all next week. ********************************************** Don Wright don@lexmark.com Member, IEEE SA Standards Board PatCom Chair, SCC Liaison Member, IEEE-ISTO Board of Directors f.wright@ieee.org / f.wright@computer.org Director, Alliances & Standards Lexmark International 740 New Circle Rd Lexington, Ky 40550 859-825-4808 (phone) 603-963-8352 (fax) ********************************************** ElliottBradshaw@oaktech.com@pwg.org on 12/05/2002 11:51:25 AM Sent by: owner-cr@pwg.org To: cr@pwg.org cc: Subject: CR> Let's get started Folks, Welcome to the CR reflector. I would like to see if there is interest in holding a teleconference next week. Agenda: 1. Overview of our process, goals, deliverables 2. Discussion of charter 3. Discussion of background paper (which I will post Real Soon Now) 4. Goals for Maui 5. Future teleconference schedule And I thought of doing it next Wed., 12/11, at 1:00 Eastern time. Please let me know if you are interested in attending, and whether that time is good for you. E. ------------------------------------------ Elliott Bradshaw Director, Software Engineering Oak Technology Imaging Group 781 638-7534 From ElliottBradshaw at oaktech.com Thu Dec 5 16:49:46 2002 From: ElliottBradshaw at oaktech.com (ElliottBradshaw@oaktech.com) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:38 2009 Subject: CR> Re: Let's get started Message-ID: Folks, Two items: 1. Jim Bigelow has a conflict with that time for a teleconference. For those planning to attend, how about: 1 PM Eastern Tue. 12/10 or, failing that, 5 PM Eastern Wed. 12/11 2. I have put up some background info at: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/Character-Repertoires/CRbackground.htm ------------------------------------------ Elliott Bradshaw Director, Software Engineering Oak Technology Imaging Group 781 638-7534 ----- Forwarded by Elliott Bradshaw/oaktech/us on 12/05/2002 04:44 PM ----- Elliott Bradshaw To: cr@pwg.org cc: 12/05/2002 Subject: Let's get started 11:51 AM Folks, Welcome to the CR reflector. I would like to see if there is interest in holding a teleconference next week. Agenda: 1. Overview of our process, goals, deliverables 2. Discussion of charter 3. Discussion of background paper (which I will post Real Soon Now) 4. Goals for Maui 5. Future teleconference schedule And I thought of doing it next Wed., 12/11, at 1:00 Eastern time. Please let me know if you are interested in attending, and whether that time is good for you. E. ------------------------------------------ Elliott Bradshaw Director, Software Engineering Oak Technology Imaging Group 781 638-7534 From Rod.Acosta at AgfaMonotype.com Fri Dec 6 15:00:54 2002 From: Rod.Acosta at AgfaMonotype.com (Acosta, Roderick) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:38 2009 Subject: CR> Re: Let's get started Message-ID: I can do 5 PM Eastern Wed. 12/11. /Rod -----Original Message----- From: ElliottBradshaw@oaktech.com [mailto:ElliottBradshaw@oaktech.com] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 2:50 PM To: cr@pwg.org Subject: CR> Re: Let's get started Folks, Two items: 1. Jim Bigelow has a conflict with that time for a teleconference. For those planning to attend, how about: 1 PM Eastern Tue. 12/10 or, failing that, 5 PM Eastern Wed. 12/11 2. I have put up some background info at: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/Character-Repertoires/CRbackground.htm ------------------------------------------ Elliott Bradshaw Director, Software Engineering Oak Technology Imaging Group 781 638-7534 ----- Forwarded by Elliott Bradshaw/oaktech/us on 12/05/2002 04:44 PM ----- Elliott Bradshaw To: cr@pwg.org cc: 12/05/2002 Subject: Let's get started 11:51 AM Folks, Welcome to the CR reflector. I would like to see if there is interest in holding a teleconference next week. Agenda: 1. Overview of our process, goals, deliverables 2. Discussion of charter 3. Discussion of background paper (which I will post Real Soon Now) 4. Goals for Maui 5. Future teleconference schedule And I thought of doing it next Wed., 12/11, at 1:00 Eastern time. Please let me know if you are interested in attending, and whether that time is good for you. E. ------------------------------------------ Elliott Bradshaw Director, Software Engineering Oak Technology Imaging Group 781 638-7534 From imcdonald at sharplabs.com Fri Dec 6 18:02:19 2002 From: imcdonald at sharplabs.com (McDonald, Ira) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:38 2009 Subject: CR> Re: Let's get started Message-ID: <116DB56CD7DED511BC7800508B2CA53735CE45@mailsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com> Hi, I can also do 5pm US EST Wednesday 12/11/2002 next week. But this is not a very good time for me for ongoing telecons (I often have Wednesday evening commitments). Cheers, - Ira McDonald High North Inc -----Original Message----- From: Acosta, Roderick [mailto:Rod.Acosta@AgfaMonotype.com] Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 2:01 PM To: cr@pwg.org Subject: RE: CR> Re: Let's get started I can do 5 PM Eastern Wed. 12/11. /Rod -----Original Message----- From: ElliottBradshaw@oaktech.com [mailto:ElliottBradshaw@oaktech.com] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 2:50 PM To: cr@pwg.org Subject: CR> Re: Let's get started Folks, Two items: 1. Jim Bigelow has a conflict with that time for a teleconference. For those planning to attend, how about: 1 PM Eastern Tue. 12/10 or, failing that, 5 PM Eastern Wed. 12/11 2. I have put up some background info at: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/Character-Repertoires/CRbackground.htm ------------------------------------------ Elliott Bradshaw Director, Software Engineering Oak Technology Imaging Group 781 638-7534 ----- Forwarded by Elliott Bradshaw/oaktech/us on 12/05/2002 04:44 PM ----- Elliott Bradshaw To: cr@pwg.org cc: 12/05/2002 Subject: Let's get started 11:51 AM Folks, Welcome to the CR reflector. I would like to see if there is interest in holding a teleconference next week. Agenda: 1. Overview of our process, goals, deliverables 2. Discussion of charter 3. Discussion of background paper (which I will post Real Soon Now) 4. Goals for Maui 5. Future teleconference schedule And I thought of doing it next Wed., 12/11, at 1:00 Eastern time. Please let me know if you are interested in attending, and whether that time is good for you. E. ------------------------------------------ Elliott Bradshaw Director, Software Engineering Oak Technology Imaging Group 781 638-7534 From ElliottBradshaw at oaktech.com Mon Dec 9 14:42:34 2002 From: ElliottBradshaw at oaktech.com (ElliottBradshaw@oaktech.com) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:38 2009 Subject: CR> CR Teleconference Wed. 12/11 5:00 Eastern Message-ID: I realize this time is not ideal, but it seems to be the best compromise on short notice. We will keep the meeting to one hour or less, and pick a different time for the future. Call-in arrangements: Time: 5:00 PM Eastern time Wed. 12/11 Dial in #: 888 205-5513 or 719 955-0562 Participant passcode: 176310 I will also watch my email in case anyone has trouble dailing in (first time I've used this service). Agenda: 1. Overview of our process, goals, deliverables 2. Discussion of charter 3. Discussion of background paper (ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/Character-Repertoires/CRbackground.htm) 4. Goals for Maui 5. Future teleconference schedule ------------------------------------------ Elliott Bradshaw Director, Software Engineering Oak Technology Imaging Group 781 638-7534 From imcdonald at sharplabs.com Wed Dec 11 19:05:48 2002 From: imcdonald at sharplabs.com (McDonald, Ira) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:38 2009 Subject: CR> Links to Charset Maps Message-ID: <116DB56CD7DED511BC7800508B2CA53735CE4F@mailsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com> Hi folks, Per my action item from today's Character Repertoires telecon, some useful links. Cheers, - Ira McDonald High North Inc ------------------------------------------------------ The best introduction and in-depth paper on UTF-8 and Unicode, from Markus Kuhn (a Unicode guru), last updated 19 November 2002 (a living document): http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/unicode.html IBM's open source ICU (I18N Components for Unicode) has a wonderful set of charset maps (they're in Unicode _to_ Legacy layout, which is the opposite of the ISO-8859 maps at the Unicode, which are in Legacy _to_ Unicode layout). The top-level URL: http://www-124.ibm.com/cvs/icu/charset/data/ For official ISO and IETF language, country, and script codes visit Michael Everson's page (Michael is the IETF language tag reviewer and a heavy in ISO language standards and the Unicode Consortium): http://www.evertype.com/internationalization.html The complete up-to-date Unicode Character Database: http://www.unicode.org/ucd/ The Unicode Unihan Asian database: http://www.unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/Unihan.zip (5.0MB) http://www.unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/Unihan.txt (25.1 MB) The Unicode Consortium maintained mapping tables: http://www.unicode.org/Public/MAPPINGS/ And augmenting the mapping tables available from the Unicode site is the CSets page: http://crl.nmsu.edu/~mleisher/csets.html From ElliottBradshaw at oaktech.com Tue Dec 17 14:52:45 2002 From: ElliottBradshaw at oaktech.com (ElliottBradshaw@oaktech.com) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:38 2009 Subject: CR> Minutes: CR teleconfernece 11 Dec. 2002 Message-ID: Minutes from PWG-CR teleconference, 11 Dec. 2002. Attending ------------ Jim Bigelow, HP Mark Robb, Lexmark Rod Acosta, Agfa Ira McDonald, High North Inc. Elliott Bradshaw, Oak Technology Process and Output ------------------------ We agreed to work towards these items: 1. Implementor's guide. This should simplify the whole topic and help implementors find the information they need. It should have definitions of terms and (informative) summaries of the repertoires that are referred to. 2. Draft standard(s) for discussion at PWG. The first is likely to include: -names and definitions for repertoires -minimal set of repertoires to assume in any printer -semantics of a query mechanism to find what repertoires are in a printer 3. Coordination with other working groups: -SM (Ira agreed to coordinate) -UPnP (Elliott) -PSI -Bluetooth SIG Issues and (tentative) conclusions ------------------------------------------ 1. Bluetooth BPP has a lot of good material in this area. Things we would change: -it is not always clear which version of a repertoire is to be used, or where it is defined -they use a bit array; we should define standard names and let bits, numbers, etc. be part of a protocol binding 2. Need to account for Microsoft characters. There are many options; more research is needed. 3. We assume a Unicode environment. For example, we won't talk about ISO-8859 character sets; we'll talk instead about sets of Unicode that correspond to ISO-8859. However, legacy applications may need to map from other character sets. This is a topic we may return to in the future; in the meantime the user's guide needs to explain the issues clearly. 4. The sense of the group is that a direct mechanism to query for individual Unicodes is a bad idea. The assumption is that if a client wants to print a certain type of material (e.g. Japanese), then it will be able to recognize the appropriate defined repertoire name(s). 5. We may want to define subsets of some of the Asian sets. 6. Need to make sure ASCII is accounted for. This is probably just a documentation issue. 7. A client may want to know what characters are available in what fonts. We will treat this as a separate topic, for possible future work. Next steps ------------- NEXT CONFERENCE CALL: Wednesday, Jan. 8, 3:00 Eastern time. In the meantime I will draft an Implementor's Guide. ------------------------------------------ Elliott Bradshaw Director, Software Engineering Oak Technology Imaging Group 781 638-7534 From imcdonald at sharplabs.com Thu Dec 19 13:50:00 2002 From: imcdonald at sharplabs.com (McDonald, Ira) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:38 2009 Subject: CR> FW: character encoding diagram Message-ID: <116DB56CD7DED511BC7800508B2CA53735CE5B@mailsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com> Hi folks, Just off the Linux I18N mailing list. Cheers, - Ira McDonald High North Inc -----Original Message----- From: Thomas.Wolff@siemens.com [mailto:Thomas.Wolff@siemens.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:52 AM To: linux-utf8@nl.linux.org Subject: character encoding diagram Just for fun, I've made the enclosed diagram (using a UML tool) that shows the relations of major character sets and encodings. A solid line means a compatible extension, a dashed line means an implementation (here in the sense that an encoding implements a character set). Perhaps such a diagram could be useful in a Howto or tutorial. Kind regards, Thomas Wolff -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: character-encoding.gif Type: image/gif Size: 10305 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.pwg.org/archives/cr/attachments/20021219/b855e428/character-encoding.gif From ElliottBradshaw at oaktech.com Tue Nov 26 14:02:12 2002 From: ElliottBradshaw at oaktech.com (ElliottBradshaw@oaktech.com) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:39 2009 Subject: CR> Test - please ignore Message-ID: ------------------------------------------ Elliott Bradshaw Director, Software Engineering Oak Technology Imaging Group 781 638-7534 From ElliottBradshaw at oaktech.com Thu Dec 5 11:51:25 2002 From: ElliottBradshaw at oaktech.com (ElliottBradshaw@oaktech.com) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:39 2009 Subject: CR> Let's get started Message-ID: Folks, Welcome to the CR reflector. I would like to see if there is interest in holding a teleconference next week. Agenda: 1. Overview of our process, goals, deliverables 2. Discussion of charter 3. Discussion of background paper (which I will post Real Soon Now) 4. Goals for Maui 5. Future teleconference schedule And I thought of doing it next Wed., 12/11, at 1:00 Eastern time. Please let me know if you are interested in attending, and whether that time is good for you. E. ------------------------------------------ Elliott Bradshaw Director, Software Engineering Oak Technology Imaging Group 781 638-7534 From jim.bigelow at hp.com Thu Dec 5 12:11:00 2002 From: jim.bigelow at hp.com (BIGELOW,JIM (HP-Boise,ex1)) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:39 2009 Subject: CR> Let's get started Message-ID: <25C4C6009B5BD5118FF30003470BF7F507685A82@xboi04.boi.hp.com> Hello, I'm interested in attending a phone conference next week. I'm available on Tuesday 1 pm to 2 pm EDT and Thursday from 1pm EDT. As well as after 5pm EDT each Mon - Thursday. Jim Bigelow Hewlett-Packard 206-444-0437 Jim.bigelow@hp.com -----Original Message----- From: ElliottBradshaw@oaktech.com [mailto:ElliottBradshaw@oaktech.com] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 8:51 AM To: cr@pwg.org Subject: CR> Let's get started Folks, Welcome to the CR reflector. I would like to see if there is interest in holding a teleconference next week. Agenda: 1. Overview of our process, goals, deliverables 2. Discussion of charter 3. Discussion of background paper (which I will post Real Soon Now) 4. Goals for Maui 5. Future teleconference schedule And I thought of doing it next Wed., 12/11, at 1:00 Eastern time. Please let me know if you are interested in attending, and whether that time is good for you. E. ------------------------------------------ Elliott Bradshaw Director, Software Engineering Oak Technology Imaging Group 781 638-7534 From don at lexmark.com Thu Dec 5 14:57:37 2002 From: don at lexmark.com (don@lexmark.com) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:39 2009 Subject: CR> Let's get started Message-ID: I'm not available at all next week. ********************************************** Don Wright don@lexmark.com Member, IEEE SA Standards Board PatCom Chair, SCC Liaison Member, IEEE-ISTO Board of Directors f.wright@ieee.org / f.wright@computer.org Director, Alliances & Standards Lexmark International 740 New Circle Rd Lexington, Ky 40550 859-825-4808 (phone) 603-963-8352 (fax) ********************************************** ElliottBradshaw@oaktech.com@pwg.org on 12/05/2002 11:51:25 AM Sent by: owner-cr@pwg.org To: cr@pwg.org cc: Subject: CR> Let's get started Folks, Welcome to the CR reflector. I would like to see if there is interest in holding a teleconference next week. Agenda: 1. Overview of our process, goals, deliverables 2. Discussion of charter 3. Discussion of background paper (which I will post Real Soon Now) 4. Goals for Maui 5. Future teleconference schedule And I thought of doing it next Wed., 12/11, at 1:00 Eastern time. Please let me know if you are interested in attending, and whether that time is good for you. E. ------------------------------------------ Elliott Bradshaw Director, Software Engineering Oak Technology Imaging Group 781 638-7534 From ElliottBradshaw at oaktech.com Thu Dec 5 16:49:46 2002 From: ElliottBradshaw at oaktech.com (ElliottBradshaw@oaktech.com) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:39 2009 Subject: CR> Re: Let's get started Message-ID: Folks, Two items: 1. Jim Bigelow has a conflict with that time for a teleconference. For those planning to attend, how about: 1 PM Eastern Tue. 12/10 or, failing that, 5 PM Eastern Wed. 12/11 2. I have put up some background info at: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/Character-Repertoires/CRbackground.htm ------------------------------------------ Elliott Bradshaw Director, Software Engineering Oak Technology Imaging Group 781 638-7534 ----- Forwarded by Elliott Bradshaw/oaktech/us on 12/05/2002 04:44 PM ----- Elliott Bradshaw To: cr@pwg.org cc: 12/05/2002 Subject: Let's get started 11:51 AM Folks, Welcome to the CR reflector. I would like to see if there is interest in holding a teleconference next week. Agenda: 1. Overview of our process, goals, deliverables 2. Discussion of charter 3. Discussion of background paper (which I will post Real Soon Now) 4. Goals for Maui 5. Future teleconference schedule And I thought of doing it next Wed., 12/11, at 1:00 Eastern time. Please let me know if you are interested in attending, and whether that time is good for you. E. ------------------------------------------ Elliott Bradshaw Director, Software Engineering Oak Technology Imaging Group 781 638-7534 From Rod.Acosta at AgfaMonotype.com Fri Dec 6 15:00:54 2002 From: Rod.Acosta at AgfaMonotype.com (Acosta, Roderick) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:39 2009 Subject: CR> Re: Let's get started Message-ID: I can do 5 PM Eastern Wed. 12/11. /Rod -----Original Message----- From: ElliottBradshaw@oaktech.com [mailto:ElliottBradshaw@oaktech.com] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 2:50 PM To: cr@pwg.org Subject: CR> Re: Let's get started Folks, Two items: 1. Jim Bigelow has a conflict with that time for a teleconference. For those planning to attend, how about: 1 PM Eastern Tue. 12/10 or, failing that, 5 PM Eastern Wed. 12/11 2. I have put up some background info at: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/Character-Repertoires/CRbackground.htm ------------------------------------------ Elliott Bradshaw Director, Software Engineering Oak Technology Imaging Group 781 638-7534 ----- Forwarded by Elliott Bradshaw/oaktech/us on 12/05/2002 04:44 PM ----- Elliott Bradshaw To: cr@pwg.org cc: 12/05/2002 Subject: Let's get started 11:51 AM Folks, Welcome to the CR reflector. I would like to see if there is interest in holding a teleconference next week. Agenda: 1. Overview of our process, goals, deliverables 2. Discussion of charter 3. Discussion of background paper (which I will post Real Soon Now) 4. Goals for Maui 5. Future teleconference schedule And I thought of doing it next Wed., 12/11, at 1:00 Eastern time. Please let me know if you are interested in attending, and whether that time is good for you. E. ------------------------------------------ Elliott Bradshaw Director, Software Engineering Oak Technology Imaging Group 781 638-7534 From imcdonald at sharplabs.com Fri Dec 6 18:02:19 2002 From: imcdonald at sharplabs.com (McDonald, Ira) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:39 2009 Subject: CR> Re: Let's get started Message-ID: <116DB56CD7DED511BC7800508B2CA53735CE45@mailsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com> Hi, I can also do 5pm US EST Wednesday 12/11/2002 next week. But this is not a very good time for me for ongoing telecons (I often have Wednesday evening commitments). Cheers, - Ira McDonald High North Inc -----Original Message----- From: Acosta, Roderick [mailto:Rod.Acosta@AgfaMonotype.com] Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 2:01 PM To: cr@pwg.org Subject: RE: CR> Re: Let's get started I can do 5 PM Eastern Wed. 12/11. /Rod -----Original Message----- From: ElliottBradshaw@oaktech.com [mailto:ElliottBradshaw@oaktech.com] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 2:50 PM To: cr@pwg.org Subject: CR> Re: Let's get started Folks, Two items: 1. Jim Bigelow has a conflict with that time for a teleconference. For those planning to attend, how about: 1 PM Eastern Tue. 12/10 or, failing that, 5 PM Eastern Wed. 12/11 2. I have put up some background info at: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/Character-Repertoires/CRbackground.htm ------------------------------------------ Elliott Bradshaw Director, Software Engineering Oak Technology Imaging Group 781 638-7534 ----- Forwarded by Elliott Bradshaw/oaktech/us on 12/05/2002 04:44 PM ----- Elliott Bradshaw To: cr@pwg.org cc: 12/05/2002 Subject: Let's get started 11:51 AM Folks, Welcome to the CR reflector. I would like to see if there is interest in holding a teleconference next week. Agenda: 1. Overview of our process, goals, deliverables 2. Discussion of charter 3. Discussion of background paper (which I will post Real Soon Now) 4. Goals for Maui 5. Future teleconference schedule And I thought of doing it next Wed., 12/11, at 1:00 Eastern time. Please let me know if you are interested in attending, and whether that time is good for you. E. ------------------------------------------ Elliott Bradshaw Director, Software Engineering Oak Technology Imaging Group 781 638-7534 From ElliottBradshaw at oaktech.com Mon Dec 9 14:42:34 2002 From: ElliottBradshaw at oaktech.com (ElliottBradshaw@oaktech.com) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:39 2009 Subject: CR> CR Teleconference Wed. 12/11 5:00 Eastern Message-ID: I realize this time is not ideal, but it seems to be the best compromise on short notice. We will keep the meeting to one hour or less, and pick a different time for the future. Call-in arrangements: Time: 5:00 PM Eastern time Wed. 12/11 Dial in #: 888 205-5513 or 719 955-0562 Participant passcode: 176310 I will also watch my email in case anyone has trouble dailing in (first time I've used this service). Agenda: 1. Overview of our process, goals, deliverables 2. Discussion of charter 3. Discussion of background paper (ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/Character-Repertoires/CRbackground.htm) 4. Goals for Maui 5. Future teleconference schedule ------------------------------------------ Elliott Bradshaw Director, Software Engineering Oak Technology Imaging Group 781 638-7534 From imcdonald at sharplabs.com Wed Dec 11 19:05:48 2002 From: imcdonald at sharplabs.com (McDonald, Ira) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:39 2009 Subject: CR> Links to Charset Maps Message-ID: <116DB56CD7DED511BC7800508B2CA53735CE4F@mailsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com> Hi folks, Per my action item from today's Character Repertoires telecon, some useful links. Cheers, - Ira McDonald High North Inc ------------------------------------------------------ The best introduction and in-depth paper on UTF-8 and Unicode, from Markus Kuhn (a Unicode guru), last updated 19 November 2002 (a living document): http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/unicode.html IBM's open source ICU (I18N Components for Unicode) has a wonderful set of charset maps (they're in Unicode _to_ Legacy layout, which is the opposite of the ISO-8859 maps at the Unicode, which are in Legacy _to_ Unicode layout). The top-level URL: http://www-124.ibm.com/cvs/icu/charset/data/ For official ISO and IETF language, country, and script codes visit Michael Everson's page (Michael is the IETF language tag reviewer and a heavy in ISO language standards and the Unicode Consortium): http://www.evertype.com/internationalization.html The complete up-to-date Unicode Character Database: http://www.unicode.org/ucd/ The Unicode Unihan Asian database: http://www.unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/Unihan.zip (5.0MB) http://www.unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/Unihan.txt (25.1 MB) The Unicode Consortium maintained mapping tables: http://www.unicode.org/Public/MAPPINGS/ And augmenting the mapping tables available from the Unicode site is the CSets page: http://crl.nmsu.edu/~mleisher/csets.html From ElliottBradshaw at oaktech.com Tue Dec 17 14:52:45 2002 From: ElliottBradshaw at oaktech.com (ElliottBradshaw@oaktech.com) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:39 2009 Subject: CR> Minutes: CR teleconfernece 11 Dec. 2002 Message-ID: Minutes from PWG-CR teleconference, 11 Dec. 2002. Attending ------------ Jim Bigelow, HP Mark Robb, Lexmark Rod Acosta, Agfa Ira McDonald, High North Inc. Elliott Bradshaw, Oak Technology Process and Output ------------------------ We agreed to work towards these items: 1. Implementor's guide. This should simplify the whole topic and help implementors find the information they need. It should have definitions of terms and (informative) summaries of the repertoires that are referred to. 2. Draft standard(s) for discussion at PWG. The first is likely to include: -names and definitions for repertoires -minimal set of repertoires to assume in any printer -semantics of a query mechanism to find what repertoires are in a printer 3. Coordination with other working groups: -SM (Ira agreed to coordinate) -UPnP (Elliott) -PSI -Bluetooth SIG Issues and (tentative) conclusions ------------------------------------------ 1. Bluetooth BPP has a lot of good material in this area. Things we would change: -it is not always clear which version of a repertoire is to be used, or where it is defined -they use a bit array; we should define standard names and let bits, numbers, etc. be part of a protocol binding 2. Need to account for Microsoft characters. There are many options; more research is needed. 3. We assume a Unicode environment. For example, we won't talk about ISO-8859 character sets; we'll talk instead about sets of Unicode that correspond to ISO-8859. However, legacy applications may need to map from other character sets. This is a topic we may return to in the future; in the meantime the user's guide needs to explain the issues clearly. 4. The sense of the group is that a direct mechanism to query for individual Unicodes is a bad idea. The assumption is that if a client wants to print a certain type of material (e.g. Japanese), then it will be able to recognize the appropriate defined repertoire name(s). 5. We may want to define subsets of some of the Asian sets. 6. Need to make sure ASCII is accounted for. This is probably just a documentation issue. 7. A client may want to know what characters are available in what fonts. We will treat this as a separate topic, for possible future work. Next steps ------------- NEXT CONFERENCE CALL: Wednesday, Jan. 8, 3:00 Eastern time. In the meantime I will draft an Implementor's Guide. ------------------------------------------ Elliott Bradshaw Director, Software Engineering Oak Technology Imaging Group 781 638-7534 From imcdonald at sharplabs.com Thu Dec 19 13:50:00 2002 From: imcdonald at sharplabs.com (McDonald, Ira) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:39 2009 Subject: CR> FW: character encoding diagram Message-ID: <116DB56CD7DED511BC7800508B2CA53735CE5B@mailsrvnt02.enet.sharplabs.com> Hi folks, Just off the Linux I18N mailing list. Cheers, - Ira McDonald High North Inc -----Original Message----- From: Thomas.Wolff@siemens.com [mailto:Thomas.Wolff@siemens.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:52 AM To: linux-utf8@nl.linux.org Subject: character encoding diagram Just for fun, I've made the enclosed diagram (using a UML tool) that shows the relations of major character sets and encodings. A solid line means a compatible extension, a dashed line means an implementation (here in the sense that an encoding implements a character set). Perhaps such a diagram could be useful in a Howto or tutorial. Kind regards, Thomas Wolff -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: character-encoding.gif Type: image/* Size: 10305 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.pwg.org/archives/cr/attachments/20021219/341cafe7/character-encoding-0001.bin From ElliottBradshaw at oaktech.com Thu Dec 19 14:03:42 2002 From: ElliottBradshaw at oaktech.com (ElliottBradshaw@oaktech.com) Date: Wed May 6 13:53:39 2009 Subject: CR> FW: character encoding diagram Message-ID: Ira, Thanks, this is handy. I suspect there will be a place for it in the Implementor's Guide. I'll send a note to Thomas so he knows what we're up to. ------------------------------------------ Elliott Bradshaw Director, Software Engineering Oak Technology Imaging Group 781 638-7534 "McDonald, Ira" plabs.com> cc: Sent by: Subject: CR> FW: character encoding diagram owner-cr@pwg.or g 12/19/2002 01:50 PM Hi folks, Just off the Linux I18N mailing list. Cheers, - Ira McDonald High North Inc -----Original Message----- From: Thomas.Wolff@siemens.com [mailto:Thomas.Wolff@siemens.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 10:52 AM To: linux-utf8@nl.linux.org Subject: character encoding diagram Just for fun, I've made the enclosed diagram (using a UML tool) that shows the relations of major character sets and encodings. A solid line means a compatible extension, a dashed line means an implementation (here in the sense that an encoding implements a character set). Perhaps such a diagram could be useful in a Howto or tutorial. Kind regards, Thomas Wolff (See attached file: character-encoding.gif) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: character-encoding.gif Type: image/gif Size: 10305 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.pwg.org/archives/cr/attachments/20021219/b855e428/character-encoding-0001.gif