Jay,
Had you been at the meeting you may have been even more vocal on this
subject. The Genoa presentation was primarily a sales presentation and a
"Oh byte way, we are planning to do an IPP test suite. But we don't know
when it will be available."
It would have been much more appropriate had they presented actual plans
for a test suite with, at least a mini-specification.
Ron Bergman
Dataproducts Corp.
On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Jay Martin wrote:
> Just a few final words on this subject.
>> Carl-Uno Manros wrote:
>> > You might be horrified to learn that Steve Zilles also handed out
> > documentation and said a few words about Adobe's Job Ticket's, which is now
> > public information on their web site.
>> Adobe (via Steve Zilles) was not explicitly trying to sell anyone
> anything. (At least not directly... ;-) Btw, it would have been
> great if the actual URL on this topic was listed in the minutes.
>>> > Jay, my impression is that we are talking about sour grapes here, you are
> > just kicking yourself that you decided not to come to the meeting, in which
> > case I am sure that the discussion of this subject would have taken much
> > more time from the rest of our agenda.
>> Well, you're just plain wrong on this one, Carl-Uno. It's too bad
> you feel this way.
>> Look, my point is this. An IPP test suite is important to ALL
> of us, whether we are a customer or a vendor of such a suite.
> If the PWG desired to entertain discussion of this topic, then
> it should have been formally listed in the agendas of one or
> more PWG projects. That way people like Chris Wellens and other
> host-based software vendors could have had the chance to be at
> the discussion to witness all the comments first-hand, rather
> than get a real-view-mirror statement as documented in the minutes.
>> As most everyone knows by now, I'm all in favor of business-based
> discussion in the PWG (as long as we don't step on the IETF's toes
> in the process). However, any and all such discussion should be
> done on a level playing field, and not to the sole benefit of a
> single vendor. That's all.
>> ...jay
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