Hi George,
Thanks for your good feedback.
Apparently, we're going to have to bend the PWG Process
a bit - e.g., to allow a Yes vote with editorial comments.
The PWG does NOT normally *vote* on individual project
charters - only on entire new working group charters.
But Bill Wagner suggested in the PWG Steering Committee
that we make this exception in order to get wider visibility for
the IPP Everywhere project.
Note that IPP/2.0 is simply IPP/1.1 with *correct* handling
of errors and exceptions (as already specified in IPP/1.1),
so I think it's a reasonable basis for IPP Everywhere.
Also, although IPP Everywhere supports the goal of printing
with generic (PDL-based) printer drivers, it's NOT an actual
requirement - I'm not sure about adding this to the charter,
rather than the *future* IPP Everywhere Requirements spec.
Mike - remember that "Yes with comments" should be allowed
in your posted PWG Formal Vote announcement.
Cheers,
- Ira
Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG
IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
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winter:
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734-944-0094
summer:
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On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Michael Sweet <msweet at apple.com> wrote:
> On Apr 27, 2010, at 5:22 PM, George Liu wrote:
>> Michael,
>>>> Thanks for the quick feedback.
>>>> I studied the Charter document. From the problem statement, it seems
>> that the ultimate goal is to develop a comprehensive solution that can
>> eliminate printer drivers.
>>>> If my understanding is correct, I feel the "goal of IPP Everywhere"
>> paragraph is not emphasizing the objective of "eliminating printer
>> drivers" enough.
>> Fair enough, and good feedback that can be applied to the final version of the charter.
>>> Also I feel setting an objective of " Use IPP/2.0 conformance level as
>> basis of IPP Everywhere." is too strict. No use case has been developed
>> for IPP Everywhere, it might be a bit earlier to decide on the technical
>> details.
>> Given that this will be a project for the IPP working group and that IPP/2.0 is the current version of IPP approved by the PWG, I don't think it is a stretch to make IPP/2.0 the basis of "IPP Everywhere".
>> That said, there have also been discussions of mapping any new stuff we come up with to the PWG semantic model, which will allow it to be used with other protocol bindings as well.
>>>>> Thanks for your attention.
>> George
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet at apple.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:46 PM
>> To: George Liu
>> Cc: William Wagner; ipp at pwg.org>> Subject: Re: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17
>> April2010)
>>>> On Apr 27, 2010, at 3:33 PM, George Liu wrote:
>>>> IPP Everywhere (wd-ippeve10-yyyymmdd) - defines ... one IPP
>> Everywhere
>>> conformance level, based on the IPP/2.0 conformance level defined in
>> PWG
>>> IPP Version 2.0 Second Edition
>>>>>> Does it mean a IPP Everywhere complaint software/printer has to be IPP
>>> 2.0 or 2.1 or 2.2 compliant?
>>>> Since we haven't even started the charter vote for IPP Everywhere yet
>> (hoping to get that out today, we'll see...) it is impossible to answer
>> that authoritatively, however I have always pitched IPP Everywhere as
>> IPP/2.0+ (that is, 2.0 or higher).
>>>>>> STD-2 Prototype working draft of IPP Everywhere - Q2 2011
>>> Has any company committed to the development of IPP Everywhere
>>> prototype?
>>>> See above. I have received positive feedback from several vendors
>> already, so I think it is a safe bet that we'll have at least a few
>> prototypes to play with. Also, CUPS already implements everything that
>> has been discussed for IPP Everywhere thus far...
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>> George
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ipp-bounces at pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces at pwg.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Michael Sweet
>>> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 11:26 AM
>>> To: William Wagner
>>> Cc: ipp at pwg.org>>> Subject: Re: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17
>>> April2010)
>>>>>> On Apr 23, 2010, at 10:55 AM, William Wagner wrote:
>>>> Sorry I missed the IPP call and did not bring this up at the Steering
>>>> committee call. What is the status of this charter? Is it going to be
>>> put up
>>>> for PWG vote?
>>>>>> Yes, Ira posted a "final draft" and I am in the process of getting
>> that
>>> email out... If not today, Monday...
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Bill Wagner
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: ipp-bounces at pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces at pwg.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Ira
>>>> McDonald
>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:37 PM
>>>> To: ipp at pwg.org; Michael R Sweet; Ira McDonald
>>>> Subject: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17
>>> April
>>>> 2010)
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> [For discussion during IPP WG meeting on Monday 19 April]
>>>>>>>>>>>> In preparation for PWG Formal Vote, I have just posted a Stable draft
>>> of the
>>>> IPP Everywhere Project Charter (4th version) at:
>>>>>>>>>>ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417.pdf>>> /
>>>> doc
>>>> - clean copy with line numbers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417-rev.p>>> df
>>>> /doc
>>>> - redline copy with line numbers
>>>>>>>> Only changes are status to Stable and corrected several typos.
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>> - Ira (IPP co-editor)
>>>>>>>> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
>>>> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
>>>> Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG
>>>> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB
>>>> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
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>>>> summer:
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