Tom,
With all due respect, this will be my last mail message on this topic.
Hopefully by now you have also received the comments from Ron Bergman
(JMP Chairman) on this thread; I've attached it here in case you have
yet to read it.
You say:
> Its easier to engineer complication. The hardest and best engineering
> is making things simple (and still useful).
You should know by now that I couldn't agree more with this statement.
The fact that you are stating it, though, is a bit of a surprise.
Over the course of the last year, the JMP group has repeatedly asked
you to consider a more simplified model for the Job MIB. And,
regrettably, you repeatedly appeared to have ignored every request of
that type. (Note that simply removing objects out of the proposed MIB
is *not* necessarily simplifying the model.)
You also say:
> [Time to market] is a real concern of mine, as well as yours.
> I've been working as fast and as hard as I can to get closure on the
> Job Monitoring MIB, starting a year and a half ago when I submitten
> a complete, compilable MIB and continuing.
IMHO, it should not have taken us this long to get to where we are now.
If the JMP group had gone the normal IETF working group route when the
Job MIB effort first started, we would either have a working Job MIB
by now...or the entire effort would have been shutdown by the IETF, due
to the IETF's strong rules on length-of-effort and maintaining the
associated schedule.
You and I are fundamentally different with regard to standards development,
that's for sure. (And that's good, I believe.) I prefer small, simple
efforts that can be quickly developed, while you prefer large, all-
encompassing efforts that attempt to solve all known problems in all
known environments (and even a few that don't fit this description! ;-).
Given that difference of position, it's likely that we'll have a
disagreement now and then. That's ok, as long as it can be worked
out in an open forum. (And it is, I believe.)
...jay
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Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 08:28:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Ron Bergman <rbergma at dpc.com>
To: JK Martin <jkm at underscore.com>
Subject: Re: JMP> Calling all Job Monitoring MIB prototypers...
X-X-Sender: rbergma at it.dpc.com
Jay,
Your message to Tom was very appropriate and expresses much of what I
have been thinking over the past months. It seems like the more we
cut from the MIB, the larger the document becomes and the more issues
that are closed, the more new issues are added.
I have reviewed Harry Lewis' proposed changes and, except for some
points I don't fully understand, agree they are welcome improvements.
I am sure that the remaining members will also agree.
Keeping this project moving has been a difficult task due to many of
the reasons so well expressed in your message. It is always nice to
see that someone else shares this view.
Ron Bergman
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