I agree entirely with Ron. Please REMOVE the counts, Tom. That way
we'll have fewer editorial changes to make in the future.
Thanks.
...jay
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 10:13:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ron Bergman <rbergma at dpc.com>
To: Tom Hastings <hastings at cp10.es.xerox.com>
cc: jmp at pwg.org
Subject: Re: JMP> Counts [of MIB objects] in version 0.83 Specification
X-X-Sender: rbergma at it.dpc.com
Tom,
Why not make your life a little easier and just remove the counts?
This is a detail that is easy to obtain for anyone who really needs
this information.
Ron
On Mon, 21 Jul 1997, Tom Hastings wrote:
> Ron,
>> Whether the counts of the number of objects in the MIB that are included
> in the Abstract and Introduciton include in-accessible objects or not is
> perhaps why there is a disagreement about whether the counts are accurate
> or not.
>> I considered removing them as you had suggested, but thought it gave the
> reader some high level feeling for the MIB. Even if the counts were
> absolutely accurate, I don't think anyone would be confused or mis-led.
>> Looks like I didn't count very well. The total of 18 objects in the
> Abstract (line 61) is correct, from the listing of objects in the conformance
> section, but doesn't count the in-accessible index objects. So
> how about if if I change "18 SNMP MIB objects" to "18 read-only SNMP
> MIB objects". That will clarify what we are counting and give the
> valuable information in the Abstract that this MIB only defines read-only
> objects?
>> On lines 252 - 254, I need to subtract one from the General Group count
> and add 1 to the Job Group count and add "read-only" too. (I had checked
> that the totals agreed with the Abstract, but forgot to check each group).
>> But if people want me to remove the counts from lines 61 and 252-254,
> I can do that too.
>> Comments?
>> Tom
>> At 20:35 07/20/97 PDT, Ron Bergman wrote:
> >Tom,
> >
> >This version is getting very close! Thank you for all your work in
> >getting this completed. I have a number of editorial comments which
> >I will send later. First a non-editorial comment.
> >
> >The Abstact (page 1) and the Introduction (page 8) contain counts of
> >the objects in the MIB. The Abstract defines the total and the
> >Introduction defines the numbr of objects in each group. I feel that
> >this is detail that is not needed and can easily be derived by anyone
> >who really needs these counts. My fear is that changes to the MIB
> >will not be reflected in changes to these counts. In fact, of the
> >five counts presented, only one is correct!
> >
> >This same comment was made in my review of version 0.82 and was not
> >incorporated in the document. What is the justification for these
> >counts? (I believe that you have included them due to the original
> >concerns of PWG members that the MIB was too large.) The job of the
> >editor will certainly be easier now and in the future without this
> >amount of detail.
> >
> >I propose that these counts be removed and am calling for a straw
> >vote on this proposal. If anyone can provide a good justification
> >for retaining this data, I will withdraw my request.
> >
> > Ron Bergman
> > Dataproducts Corp.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>>
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