From don at lexmark.com Wed Jun 23 21:02:27 2004 From: don at lexmark.com (don@lexmark.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:04:46 2009 Subject: TFM> This is a test Message-ID: Don From harryl at us.ibm.com Mon Aug 2 14:54:14 2004 From: harryl at us.ibm.com (Harry Lewis) Date: Wed May 6 14:04:46 2009 Subject: TFM> Re: PWG-ANNOUNCE> Posted - Transform Interface Strawman Proposal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks, Ira, for the strawman. I'd like to announce that we have a mailing list tfm@pwg.org for TFM discussion. Please conduct all future TFM discussion on that list. ---------------------------------------------- Harry Lewis IBM STSM Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group http://www.pwg.org IBM Printing Systems http://www.ibm.com/printers 303-924-5337 ---------------------------------------------- "McDonald, Ira" Sent by: owner-pwg-announce@pwg.org 08/02/2004 11:08 AM To "'pwg-announce@pwg.org'" cc Subject PWG-ANNOUNCE> Posted - Transform Interface Strawman Proposal Hi, I've just posted slides for my strawman proposal for a new PWG Transform Interface, for discussion on Monday 16 August at the PWG face-to-face. ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/tfm/tfmslide-20040816.pdf These slides include the method signature of all 9 proposed operations in this strawman proposal. I have work-in-progress on a spec (details of parms and returns) for this strawman that will also be posted soon. Cheers, - Ira PS - I created a new directory 'tfm' under 'BOFs', to avoid continuing to use the confusingly-named 'tsi' directory. Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/tfm/attachments/20040802/06070417/attachment.html From harryl at us.ibm.com Mon Aug 2 15:19:59 2004 From: harryl at us.ibm.com (Harry Lewis) Date: Wed May 6 14:04:46 2009 Subject: TFM> Transform Interface Strawman Message-ID: Ira, as we had discussed, I think the strawman is powerful in that it limits the number of interfaces, operations and options. When you say the TFM interface has "discovery" are you referring to GetTransformerElements? You are not talking about discovery (existence) of the transform service, itself... correct? How does the client learn the URI to fetch results from? Is this part of GetJobElements or is it a return on CreateJob? ---------------------------------------------- Harry Lewis IBM STSM Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group http://www.pwg.org IBM Printing Systems http://www.ibm.com/printers 303-924-5337 ---------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/tfm/attachments/20040802/bd5e0fcc/attachment.html From imcdonald at sharplabs.com Mon Aug 2 18:13:51 2004 From: imcdonald at sharplabs.com (McDonald, Ira) Date: Wed May 6 14:04:46 2009 Subject: TFM> RE: Transform Interface Strawman Message-ID: Hi Harry, Inline below. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com -----Original Message----- From: Harry Lewis [mailto:harryl@us.ibm.com] Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 3:20 PM To: tfm@pwg.org Cc: imcdonald@sharplabs.com Subject: Transform Interface Strawman Ira, as we had discussed, I think the strawman is powerful in that it limits the number of interfaces, operations and options. Not in the slides yet is that every operation is REQUIRED for both Clients and Transformers to support, and every _parameter_ is also REQUIRED for Clients to supply When you say the TFM interface has "discovery" are you referring to GetTransformerElements? You are not talking about discovery (existence) of the transform service, itself... correct? Oops - yes, I meant _service_capabilities_ discovery via GetTransformerElements. Actual network device discovery is not solved/solvable in any application protocol. LDAP, DNS-SD, SLP, etc, are still needed. How does the client learn the URI to fetch results from? Is this part of GetJobElements or is it a return on CreateJob? If you look at the parameters and _returns_ of FetchDocumentDataByPull on page 9 of the slides, you'll see the return 'dataSourceURIs : DataSourceURIs' which is a list of one or more URIs for the Client to fetch from (out-of-band). In PSI/1.0 we made it mandatory that at least one of these URIs was 'http:' or 'ftp:', to guarantee interoperability. ---------------------------------------------- Harry Lewis IBM STSM Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group http://www.pwg.org IBM Printing Systems http://www.ibm.com/printers 303-924-5337 ---------------------------------------------- From imcdonald at sharplabs.com Mon Aug 9 16:32:24 2004 From: imcdonald at sharplabs.com (McDonald, Ira) Date: Wed May 6 14:04:46 2009 Subject: TFM> Posted TFM Strawman spec and slides (9 August 2004) Message-ID: Hi folks, Monday (9 August 2004) [for discussion next Monday 16 August at PWG face-to-face in Montreal] I have just posted a strawman proposal for a PWG Transform Interface: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/tfm/tb-tfmstrawman-20040809.htm And updated strawman proposal summary slides: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/tfm/tfmslide-20040816.pdf Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com From don at lexmark.com Wed Jun 23 21:02:27 2004 From: don at lexmark.com (don@lexmark.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:04:46 2009 Subject: TFM> This is a test Message-ID: Don From harryl at us.ibm.com Mon Aug 2 14:54:14 2004 From: harryl at us.ibm.com (Harry Lewis) Date: Wed May 6 14:04:46 2009 Subject: TFM> Re: PWG-ANNOUNCE> Posted - Transform Interface Strawman Proposal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks, Ira, for the strawman. I'd like to announce that we have a mailing list tfm@pwg.org for TFM discussion. Please conduct all future TFM discussion on that list. ---------------------------------------------- Harry Lewis IBM STSM Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group http://www.pwg.org IBM Printing Systems http://www.ibm.com/printers 303-924-5337 ---------------------------------------------- "McDonald, Ira" Sent by: owner-pwg-announce@pwg.org 08/02/2004 11:08 AM To "'pwg-announce@pwg.org'" cc Subject PWG-ANNOUNCE> Posted - Transform Interface Strawman Proposal Hi, I've just posted slides for my strawman proposal for a new PWG Transform Interface, for discussion on Monday 16 August at the PWG face-to-face. ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/tfm/tfmslide-20040816.pdf These slides include the method signature of all 9 proposed operations in this strawman proposal. I have work-in-progress on a spec (details of parms and returns) for this strawman that will also be posted soon. Cheers, - Ira PS - I created a new directory 'tfm' under 'BOFs', to avoid continuing to use the confusingly-named 'tsi' directory. Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/tfm/attachments/20040802/06070417/attachment-0001.html From harryl at us.ibm.com Mon Aug 2 15:19:59 2004 From: harryl at us.ibm.com (Harry Lewis) Date: Wed May 6 14:04:46 2009 Subject: TFM> Transform Interface Strawman Message-ID: Ira, as we had discussed, I think the strawman is powerful in that it limits the number of interfaces, operations and options. When you say the TFM interface has "discovery" are you referring to GetTransformerElements? You are not talking about discovery (existence) of the transform service, itself... correct? How does the client learn the URI to fetch results from? Is this part of GetJobElements or is it a return on CreateJob? ---------------------------------------------- Harry Lewis IBM STSM Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group http://www.pwg.org IBM Printing Systems http://www.ibm.com/printers 303-924-5337 ---------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pwg.org/archives/tfm/attachments/20040802/bd5e0fcc/attachment-0001.html From imcdonald at sharplabs.com Mon Aug 2 18:13:51 2004 From: imcdonald at sharplabs.com (McDonald, Ira) Date: Wed May 6 14:04:46 2009 Subject: TFM> RE: Transform Interface Strawman Message-ID: Hi Harry, Inline below. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com -----Original Message----- From: Harry Lewis [mailto:harryl@us.ibm.com] Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 3:20 PM To: tfm@pwg.org Cc: imcdonald@sharplabs.com Subject: Transform Interface Strawman Ira, as we had discussed, I think the strawman is powerful in that it limits the number of interfaces, operations and options. Not in the slides yet is that every operation is REQUIRED for both Clients and Transformers to support, and every _parameter_ is also REQUIRED for Clients to supply When you say the TFM interface has "discovery" are you referring to GetTransformerElements? You are not talking about discovery (existence) of the transform service, itself... correct? Oops - yes, I meant _service_capabilities_ discovery via GetTransformerElements. Actual network device discovery is not solved/solvable in any application protocol. LDAP, DNS-SD, SLP, etc, are still needed. How does the client learn the URI to fetch results from? Is this part of GetJobElements or is it a return on CreateJob? If you look at the parameters and _returns_ of FetchDocumentDataByPull on page 9 of the slides, you'll see the return 'dataSourceURIs : DataSourceURIs' which is a list of one or more URIs for the Client to fetch from (out-of-band). In PSI/1.0 we made it mandatory that at least one of these URIs was 'http:' or 'ftp:', to guarantee interoperability. ---------------------------------------------- Harry Lewis IBM STSM Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group http://www.pwg.org IBM Printing Systems http://www.ibm.com/printers 303-924-5337 ---------------------------------------------- From imcdonald at sharplabs.com Mon Aug 9 16:32:24 2004 From: imcdonald at sharplabs.com (McDonald, Ira) Date: Wed May 6 14:04:46 2009 Subject: TFM> Posted TFM Strawman spec and slides (9 August 2004) Message-ID: Hi folks, Monday (9 August 2004) [for discussion next Monday 16 August at PWG face-to-face in Montreal] I have just posted a strawman proposal for a PWG Transform Interface: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/tfm/tb-tfmstrawman-20040809.htm And updated strawman proposal summary slides: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/tfm/tfmslide-20040816.pdf Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Blue Roof Music / High North Inc PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 phone: +1-906-494-2434 email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com