From jkm at underscore.com Thu May 1 12:14:44 1997 From: jkm at underscore.com (JK Martin) Date: Wed May 6 14:05:03 2009 Subject: UPD> Initial discussion of the Universal Print Driver in San Diego Message-ID: <199705011614.MAA04299@uscore.underscore.com> Tom's recently posted Model telecon minutes had this listed near the end: > ACTION ITEM (Jay Martin): Prepare a discussion slide for the San Diego > meeting about the ideal Printer driver that would be a Universal Printer > Driver. Such a driver would discover the capabilities of a Printer using > IPP, display the Printer's capabilities to the user, and produce the > required IPP to perform the user's selections. After the telecon--but before the minutes were posted--a quick discussion was held on the IPP list about a new UPD group, etc. (The UPD mailing list has since been created.) That discussion ended up with the idea of having a "dinner discussion" in San Diego on Thursday nite, May 15. (I am supposed to post the results of the "call for interest" for that event tomorrow, so send me email if you haven't already.) According to the MOD minutes item above, I now have an action item that involves taking some IPP meeting time. The question is, should some small amount of time (say, 1 hour) be carved out for such an initial discussion, or should the "dinner discussion" approach be used? We might be able to find some time on Friday, so as not to disturb the very busy IPP meeting schedule. If we use some Friday time, it'll have to be Friday morning, since I have a flight out in mid-afternoon. If the current subscription list for the just-created UPD mailing list is any indication of interest, then perhaps some "official" time would be appropriate at this point. (Even then, we still might want to have that "discussion dinner", perhaps to nail down exactly what is discussed in the Friday meeting, if it's scheduled.) Again, if you're interested in the Thursday nite dinner discussion, please send me private email (mailto:jkm@underscore.com). ...jay PS: Here is the current subscription list to the UPD mailing list as of the date/time of this message (after only two days in existence): adamsc@pogo.wv.tek.com andrea@vividimage.com Angelo_Caruso@wb.xerox.com cjackson@Adobe.COM CWHITTLE@novell.com davidm@truespectra.com David_Kellerman@nls.com DMitchell@ti.com fumiona@venus.dtinet.or.jp gleeson@zk3.dec.com greg@erc.epson.com harald.ripa@axis.com harryl@us.ibm.com jds@underscore.com jeff@boulder.qms.com jheuer@novell.com jkm@underscore.com JRackowitz@engpo.msmailgw.intermec.com Keith_Carter@aussmtp.austin.ibm.com Lee_Farrell@cissc.canon.com lpyoung@lexmark.com mabry@rd.qms.com Miyasaka.Takashi@exc.epson.co.jp patrick_mckinley@om.cv.hp.com rbergma@dpc.com rdebry@us.ibm.com robk@truespectra.com sbeckst@dpc.com shimura@pure.cpdc.canon.co.jp tom.grav@i-data.com tony@vividimage.com verhelst@xs4all.nl walker@dazel.com YUKI@KEI-CA.CCMAIL.CompuServe.COM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- JK Martin | Email: jkm@underscore.com -- -- Underscore, Inc. | Voice: (603) 889-7000 -- -- 41C Sagamore Park Road | Fax: (603) 889-2699 -- -- Hudson, NH 03051-4915 | Web: http://www.underscore.com -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From Robert.Herriot at Eng.Sun.COM Thu May 1 15:24:02 1997 From: Robert.Herriot at Eng.Sun.COM (Robert Herriot) Date: Wed May 6 14:05:03 2009 Subject: UPD> Re: IPP> Initial discussion of the Universal Print Driver in San Diego In-Reply-To: Initial discussion of the Universal Print Driver in San Diego> Message-ID: <199705011924.MAA03599@woden.eng.sun.com> I would prefer to talk about these issues on Wednesday or Thursday so I can fly home Thursday night (at 9pm). Either evening is OK if we don't have time during the day. Bob Herriot > From jkm@underscore.com Thu May 1 09:22:48 1997 > > We might be able to find some time on Friday, so as not to disturb the > very busy IPP meeting schedule. If we use some Friday time, it'll have > to be Friday morning, since I have a flight out in mid-afternoon. > > If the current subscription list for the just-created UPD mailing list > is any indication of interest, then perhaps some "official" time would > be appropriate at this point. (Even then, we still might want to have > that "discussion dinner", perhaps to nail down exactly what is discussed > in the Friday meeting, if it's scheduled.) > From jkm at underscore.com Fri May 2 14:59:52 1997 From: jkm at underscore.com (JK Martin) Date: Wed May 6 14:05:03 2009 Subject: UPD> Re: IPP> Proposed Agenda for the IPP meeting in San Diego on May 15 In-Reply-To: Proposed Agenda for the IPP meeting in San Diego on May 15> Message-ID: <199705021859.OAA08903@uscore.underscore.com> Carl-Uno, Based on the private mail sent to me regarding interest in the new Universal Print Driver concept, it would appear that many folks would like to spend more than a few minutes on the topic in San Diego. And, based on the current work, the IPP will need as much time as possible in San Diego *without* going into the UPD stuff. I'll be posting a more formal message to the UPD list in the next few minutes regarding what appears to be the best plan, but I don't think UPD should take any of the precious time currently allotted to the IPP. Hopefully no one has a problem with this. ...jay ----- Begin Included Message ----- Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 11:15:57 PDT To: ipp@pwg.org, groberts@rinc.ussj.ricoh.com From: Carl-Uno Manros Subject: IPP> Proposed Agenda for the IPP meeting in San Diego on May 15 Proposed Agenda for the PWG IPP meeting in San Diego on May 15 8:30 - 12:00 am Discussion about options for the IPP Protocol This will include a presentation and demonstration from Microsoft and HP 1:00 - 5 pm Discussion about how the Prototyping efforts could support the protocol choices Discusion of IPP Security Discussion of the Universal Print Driver (this is expected to later become a separete activity within the PWG) ---- Comments, please, e.g. do we need to have any time for Model considering that there will be a full day meeting on that subject on May 14. BTW, for those of you planning to attend that meeting, do not forget to notify Patrick Powell. So far he has only got a handfull of names! Carl-Uno Carl-Uno Manros Principal Engineer - Advanced Printing Standards - Xerox Corporation 701 S. Aviation Blvd., El Segundo, CA, M/S: ESAE-231 Phone +1-310-333 8273, Fax +1-310-333 5514 Email: manros@cp10.es.xerox.com ----- End Included Message ----- From jkm at underscore.com Fri May 2 15:24:46 1997 From: jkm at underscore.com (JK Martin) Date: Wed May 6 14:05:03 2009 Subject: UPD> Proposed plan for the first Universal Print Driver discussion Message-ID: <199705021924.PAA09014@uscore.underscore.com> Greetings, To date, 15 people have told me they're interested in attending a "discussion dinner" to kick-off the new "Universal Print Driver" concept. By the looks of it, this discussion could get pretty involved, so it's probably not appropriate to limit this discussion to, say, an hour or so. This discussion could be viewed as a sort of "Birds of a Feather" session, and those kinds of sessions can be really great for brainstorming and the setting of issues. Since the slate of scheduled times for the PWG meetings is already pretty tight, it appears that an after-hours dinner-oriented approach is indeed the best way to go. In discussing various alternatives with folks, Harry Lewis came up with what I believe is the best possible plan: Retain use of an appropriate hotel conference room already scheduled by the PWG, then order out for pizza or whatever. The big win with this approach: - Considerably reduced organizational and traveling time (ie, none of the usual "Where do we want to eat? Where is the place? Can someone give me a ride?) - Suitable discussion environment (no clammering from other patrons, or scattered, disjoint seating arrangements, etc.) - Probably results in far less cost (particularly if we eat pizza ;-) - Far less hassle in getting the bill paid If alcohol is a concern (ie, the *lack* of alcohol), I doubt we'd have a problem serving it in a hotel conference room. If alcohol is a driving force in this decision process, then I'm sure some of us can coordinate in advance the acquisition of such motivating devices. ;-) The only organizational problem with this approach is figuring out how to get the participants to pay for their share of the cost for using the conference room. This should not be any big deal, though. And besides, if the hotel is not catering any food/beverages, the per-person cost should be pretty low. I realize that having the UPD discussion during the dinner hours does not meeting with everyone's approval. (Although the *vast* majority stated they prefer such an approach.) However, I really believe this is the best way to go for us at this point. Comments? ...jay ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- JK Martin | Email: jkm@underscore.com -- -- Underscore, Inc. | Voice: (603) 889-7000 -- -- 41C Sagamore Park Road | Fax: (603) 889-2699 -- -- Hudson, NH 03051-4915 | Web: http://www.underscore.com -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From SISAACSON at novell.com Fri May 2 15:47:54 1997 From: SISAACSON at novell.com (Scott Isaacson) Date: Wed May 6 14:05:03 2009 Subject: UPD> Proposed plan for the first Universal Print Driver In-Reply-To: Proposed plan for the first Universal Print Driver> Message-ID: Thanks for making this happen. I like your suggested approach. Since I'm not into the "alcohol motivating devices" I will be looking forward to the "good discussion motivating devices". Scott ************************************************************ Scott A. Isaacson Print Services Consulting Engineer Novell Inc., 122 E 1700 S, Provo, UT 84606 V: (801) 861-7366, (800) 453-1267 x17366 F: (801) 861-4025, E: scott_isaacson@novell.com W: http://www.novell.com ************************************************************ >>> JK Martin 05/02 1:24 PM >>> Greetings, To date, 15 people have told me they're interested in attending a "discussion dinner" to kick-off the new "Universal Print Driver" concept. By the looks of it, this discussion could get pretty involved, so it's probably not appropriate to limit this discussion to, say, an hour or so. This discussion could be viewed as a sort of "Birds of a Feather" session, and those kinds of sessions can be really great for brainstorming and the setting of issues. Since the slate of scheduled times for the PWG meetings is already pretty tight, it appears that an after-hours dinner-oriented approach is indeed the best way to go. In discussing various alternatives with folks, Harry Lewis came up with what I believe is the best possible plan: Retain use of an appropriate hotel conference room already scheduled by the PWG, then order out for pizza or whatever. The big win with this approach: - Considerably reduced organizational and traveling time (ie, none of the usual "Where do we want to eat? Where is the place? Can someone give me a ride?) - Suitable discussion environment (no clammering from other patrons, or scattered, disjoint seating arrangements, etc.) - Probably results in far less cost (particularly if we eat pizza ;-) - Far less hassle in getting the bill paid If alcohol is a concern (ie, the *lack* of alcohol), I doubt we'd have a problem serving it in a hotel conference room. If alcohol is a driving force in this decision process, then I'm sure some of us can coordinate in advance the acquisition of such motivating devices. ;-) The only organizational problem with this approach is figuring out how to get the participants to pay for their share of the cost for using the conference room. This should not be any big deal, though. And besides, if the hotel is not catering any food/beverages, the per-person cost should be pretty low. I realize that having the UPD discussion during the dinner hours does not meeting with everyone's approval. (Although the *vast* majority stated they prefer such an approach.) However, I really believe this is the best way to go for us at this point. Comments? ...jay ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- JK Martin | Email: jkm@underscore.com -- -- Underscore, Inc. | Voice: (603) 889-7000 -- -- 41C Sagamore Park Road | Fax: (603) 889-2699 -- -- Hudson, NH 03051-4915 | Web: http://www.underscore.com -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From Robert.Herriot at Eng.Sun.COM Fri May 2 15:53:29 1997 From: Robert.Herriot at Eng.Sun.COM (Robert Herriot) Date: Wed May 6 14:05:03 2009 Subject: UPD> Proposed plan for the first Universal Print Driver In-Reply-To: Proposed plan for the first Universal Print Driver> Message-ID: <199705021953.MAA16497@woden.eng.sun.com> I agree with Scott. Perhaps we could get Chinese Take out. It might be more interesting than Pizza. Bob Herriot > From SISAACSON@novell.com Fri May 2 12:48:30 1997 > > Thanks for making this happen. I like your suggested approach. > Since I'm not into the "alcohol motivating devices" I will be looking > forward to the "good discussion motivating devices". > > Scott > > > ************************************************************ > Scott A. Isaacson > Print Services Consulting Engineer > Novell Inc., 122 E 1700 S, Provo, UT 84606 > V: (801) 861-7366, (800) 453-1267 x17366 > F: (801) 861-4025, E: scott_isaacson@novell.com > W: http://www.novell.com > ************************************************************ > > >>> JK Martin 05/02 1:24 PM >>> > Greetings, > > To date, 15 people have told me they're interested in attending a > "discussion dinner" to kick-off the new "Universal Print Driver" > concept. > > By the looks of it, this discussion could get pretty involved, > so it's probably not appropriate to limit this discussion to, > say, an hour or so. This discussion could be viewed as a sort > of "Birds of a Feather" session, and those kinds of sessions > can be really great for brainstorming and the setting of issues. > > Since the slate of scheduled times for the PWG meetings is already > pretty tight, it appears that an after-hours dinner-oriented > approach is indeed the best way to go. > > In discussing various alternatives with folks, Harry Lewis came > up with what I believe is the best possible plan: > > Retain use of an appropriate hotel conference room already > scheduled by the PWG, then order out for pizza or whatever. > > The big win with this approach: > > - Considerably reduced organizational and traveling time (ie, none > of the usual "Where do we want to eat? Where is the place? Can > someone give me a ride?) > > - Suitable discussion environment (no clammering from other patrons, > or scattered, disjoint seating arrangements, etc.) > > - Probably results in far less cost (particularly if we eat pizza ;-) > > - Far less hassle in getting the bill paid > > If alcohol is a concern (ie, the *lack* of alcohol), I doubt we'd have > a problem serving it in a hotel conference room. If alcohol is a driving > force in this decision process, then I'm sure some of us can coordinate > in advance the acquisition of such motivating devices. ;-) > > The only organizational problem with this approach is figuring out how > to get the participants to pay for their share of the cost for using > the conference room. This should not be any big deal, though. And > besides, if the hotel is not catering any food/beverages, the per-person > cost should be pretty low. > > I realize that having the UPD discussion during the dinner hours does > not meeting with everyone's approval. (Although the *vast* majority > stated they prefer such an approach.) However, I really believe this > is the best way to go for us at this point. > > Comments? > > ...jay > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- JK Martin | Email: jkm@underscore.com -- > -- Underscore, Inc. | Voice: (603) 889-7000 -- > -- 41C Sagamore Park Road | Fax: (603) 889-2699 -- > -- Hudson, NH 03051-4915 | Web: http://www.underscore.com -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From jkm at underscore.com Fri May 2 16:06:33 1997 From: jkm at underscore.com (JK Martin) Date: Wed May 6 14:05:03 2009 Subject: UPD> Proposed plan for the first Universal Print Driver discussion In-Reply-To: Proposed plan for the first Universal Print Driver discussion> Message-ID: <199705022006.QAA09439@uscore.underscore.com> Keith Carter was kind enough to point out that I had not stated the proposed date for the UPD dinner discussion: Thursday, May 15 The exact time has yet to be set, but it will probably be something in the area of 6-7pm, and will probably last until the hotel kicks us out. Several people have asked for various different nights, stating that they would be unable to attend if held on certain other nights. I understand those kinds of problems, really. However, as the meeting organizer, my fixed travel plans only allow me to arrange for a Thursday night session. I am truly sorry if this is inconvenient for some folks. Be assured that the next meeting will have plenty of advance notice so that we can all arrange for a mutually acceptable time and date. As a minor concession, since I must mandate the meeting time for this first meeting, I am more than willing to allow someone else to set the dinner menu for the evening. A strong lobbying effort for oriental cuisine is starting to emerge... I plan to post a sort of "lead-off" message early next week to get a few ideas and issues on the table in advance of the meeting. ...jay From npham at nectech.com Fri May 2 15:06:22 1997 From: npham at nectech.com (npham@nectech.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:05:03 2009 Subject: UPD> Re: IPP> Proposed Agenda for the IPP meeting in San In-Reply-To: Re: IPP> Proposed Agenda for the IPP meeting in San> Message-ID: <199705022006.QAA09439@uscore.underscore.com> How do I get information about upcoming meeting Schedule. Nick Pham NEC Technologies, Inc. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: UPD> Re: IPP> Proposed Agenda for the IPP meeting in San Die Author: JK Martin at SMTP Date: 5/2/97 2:59 PM Carl-Uno, Based on the private mail sent to me regarding interest in the new Universal Print Driver concept, it would appear that many folks would like to spend more than a few minutes on the topic in San Diego. And, based on the current work, the IPP will need as much time as possible in San Diego *without* going into the UPD stuff. I'll be posting a more formal message to the UPD list in the next few minutes regarding what appears to be the best plan, but I don't think UPD should take any of the precious time currently allotted to the IPP. Hopefully no one has a problem with this. ...jay ----- Begin Included Message ----- Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 11:15:57 PDT To: ipp@pwg.org, groberts@rinc.ussj.ricoh.com From: Carl-Uno Manros Subject: IPP> Proposed Agenda for the IPP meeting in San Diego on May 15 Proposed Agenda for the PWG IPP meeting in San Diego on May 15 8:30 - 12:00 am Discussion about options for the IPP Protocol This will include a presentation and demonstration from Microsoft and HP 1:00 - 5 pm Discussion about how the Prototyping efforts could support the protocol choices Discusion of IPP Security Discussion of the Universal Print Driver (this is expected to later become a separete activity within the PWG) ---- Comments, please, e.g. do we need to have any time for Model considering that there will be a full day meeting on that subject on May 14. BTW, for those of you planning to attend that meeting, do not forget to notify Patrick Powell. So far he has only got a handfull of names! Carl-Uno Carl-Uno Manros Principal Engineer - Advanced Printing Standards - Xerox Corporation 701 S. Aviation Blvd., El Segundo, CA, M/S: ESAE-231 Phone +1-310-333 8273, Fax +1-310-333 5514 Email: manros@cp10.es.xerox.com ----- End Included Message ----- From jkm at underscore.com Sat May 3 12:35:23 1997 From: jkm at underscore.com (JK Martin) Date: Wed May 6 14:05:03 2009 Subject: UPD> Proposed set of questions/issues for May 15 dinner discussion Message-ID: <199705031635.MAA11161@uscore.underscore.com> Following is a short list of questions and issues we might want to consider prior to the discussion dinner on Thurday night, May 15. These questions and issues are not comlete by any means. Discussion is encouraged prior to the meeting via this mailing list. o What does "Universal Print Driver" mean? o Why is it important? The remainder of this message assumes that a Universal Print Driver is indeed important. We may find, however, that it is not important, or at least not sufficiently important to make the topic an official subgroup of the PWG. For brevity's sake, "Universal Print Driver" is abbreviated by "UPD" below. o What are the goals in having a UPD? o How would we model the UPD? o What is the UPD's technical relationship to the IPP? o What is the UPD's organizational relationship to the IPP? o Are there any problems surrounding acceptance, either by users, printer vendors, or platform vendors? o Are there any issues surrounding applicable problem domains? That is, is it possible (or desirable) to define a UPD that is equally useful in very small environments where the printer may be directly attached to the host, as well as is larger environments which typically employ network printers? o What goals or issues pertain to backwards compatibility? o Does the UPD have potential for standardization? Again, this is is certainly not complete. Others are encouraged to add to the above items as quickly as possible. Hopefully we can publish a couple of slides prior to the meeting on May 15 that summarize the group's primary questions and issues, as a sort of agenda for the discussion. It is important to note that the May 15 dinner discussion should be considered a "Birds of a Feather" event in which brainstorming is encouraged by all. I'll take responsibility for trying to keep the discussions focused and manageable, but no one should expect a highly formalized structure to this first meeting. ...jay ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- JK Martin | Email: jkm@underscore.com -- -- Underscore, Inc. | Voice: (603) 889-7000 -- -- 41C Sagamore Park Road | Fax: (603) 889-2699 -- -- Hudson, NH 03051-4915 | Web: http://www.underscore.com -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From jkm at underscore.com Sat May 3 14:04:16 1997 From: jkm at underscore.com (JK Martin) Date: Wed May 6 14:05:03 2009 Subject: UPD> RESEND: Proposal for new web page listing products supporting RFC 1759 Message-ID: <199705031804.OAA11316@uscore.underscore.com> Folks, I have yet to receive a single response to this request from anyone! Is this not a good idea? If so, please say so, either privately or publicly. ...jay ----- Begin Included Message ----- Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 12:52:33 -0400 (EDT) From: JK Martin To: pmp@pwg.org Subject: PMP> Proposal for new web page listing products supporting RFC 1759 Cc: ccm@uscore.underscore.com Similar to the movement in the IPP to better advertise their standards efforts, it might also be in the PMP group's better interests to also advertise in some fashion. I'd like to establish a new web page on the PWG server (in the PMP tree) that maintains an up-to-date list of specific vendor products that support the Printer MIB (RFC 1759). Each entry should include at least the following data elements: Vendor name (official coporate verbage, etc) Product name and model (eg: LaserRat 43zi+) Any special firmware info (in case a user must update, etc) Shipping date (approx date such Printer MIB support shipped) Product-specific URL (to allow rapid reference by the reader) Special notes (extra info, if necessary) Unless anyone has any real objections (please say so asap), let's gather and publish this info as soon as possible. Also, if anyone has additional suggestions for data items, or perhaps some formatting suggestions/etc, send those along, too. To keep the PMP list traffic down, please send all such info to me privately via mailto:jkm@underscore.com Let's get those cards and letters in the mail, folks! ...jay ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- JK Martin | Email: jkm@underscore.com -- -- Underscore, Inc. | Voice: (603) 889-7000 -- -- 41C Sagamore Park Road | Fax: (603) 889-2699 -- -- Hudson, NH 03051-4915 | Web: http://www.underscore.com -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- End Included Message ----- From jkm at underscore.com Sat May 3 13:58:57 1997 From: jkm at underscore.com (JK Martin) Date: Wed May 6 14:05:03 2009 Subject: UPD> Invitation to discuss the "Universal Print Driver" concept Message-ID: <199705031758.NAA11282@uscore.underscore.com> Greetings, I have been requested by some members of the Printer Working Group (PWG) to specifically invite key companies to the upcoming dinner discussion on the concept of a "Universal Print Driver" (UPD): Thursday evening, May 15 Marriott Suites Symphony Towers 701 A Street San Diego, California (619) 696-9800 You have been selected for distribution of this message either due to your subscription to one or more relevant PWG mailing lists, or by previous contact with a PWG participant. Concerns have been raised regarding the viability of a standard Universal Print Driver without the support of key companies having critical involvement with printing facilities in general computing environments. Such companies may be characterized as being prominent players in one or more of the following areas: - Operating systems and platforms - Page description languages and interpreters - Printer drivers - Printing system software The participation of these companies is particularly encouraged: Adobe Dazel Digital Hewlett-Packard IBM Microsoft Novell Sun Microsystems Xerox Printer manufacturers are, of course, equally important in this discussion; representatives of the printer industry have already been made aware of this new topic of discussion by virtue of their participation in the PWG. Strong support has been demonstrated within the printer industry to investigate the potential for a Universal Print Driver. Currently the relationship of a Universal Print Driver with the emerging Internet Printing Protocol (IPP) standards is not clear; however, most PWG participants expect a strong binding between these two technical areas. (In fact, the Universal Print Driver concept was the result of one of the recent IPP Model teleconferences.) You and your company are strongly encouraged to attend this preliminary discussion meeting on May 15. This meeting is designed to be an ad hoc discussion of interested parties; no decision has been made whether to formally create a PWG project to commence a standardization effort for the Universal Print Driver. If you or your company believe a Universal Print Driver standardization effort would be useless or counter-productive in any way, then by all means please send a representative to this meeting and state your views. An electronic mailing list has been setup within the PWG to conduct open discussions of the Universal Print Driver; instructions for joining this list are attached. If your company can not send a representative to the meeting, then feel free to either post your comments to this new list (mailto:upd@pwg.org), or send me email and I'll be happy to post it to the list on your behalf. The PWG looks forward to your company's participation in this discussion. Feel free to contact me for additional information. A complete "package" of recent email messages on this topic can be sent to you directly, if necessary, to quickly bring you up to speed on this new technical topic. Jay Martin PWG Secretary ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- JK Martin | Email: jkm@underscore.com -- -- Underscore, Inc. | Voice: (603) 889-7000 -- -- 41C Sagamore Park Road | Fax: (603) 889-2699 -- -- Hudson, NH 03051-4915 | Web: http://www.underscore.com -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 13:41:22 -0400 (EDT) From: JK Martin To: pwg@pwg.org Subject: PWG> New PWG mailing list: upd@pwg.org (Universal Print Driver) A new PWG email discussion list has been created for the purpose of discussing the concepts and potential for "Universal Print Driver" technology. Note that the formation of this list does not imply that the PWG has decided to commence a standards development effort in this technology area. Rather, the new "upd" mailing list currently serves as a vehicle for the exchange of ideas among all interested parties. (Should a standards effort result from the discussions on this list, then it is likely that the list will also serve as the official distribution list for the standards effort.) Interacting with the "upd" mailing list is the same as for all other PWG mailing lists. To subscribe to this new mailing list, send a message to: majordomo@pwg.org The body of the message should contain the following line: subscribe upd The originating email address is then subscribed to the list. If for some reason an email address other than the originating address is to be used as the subscribing address, then add the target address to the end of the above line. For example, if you have an internal distribution list called "upd-dist", then you would subscribe that address to this mailing list by using this line as the message body: subscribe upd upd-dist@foo.com Note that when dealing with majordomo, the "Subject:" line is always ignored (ie, it can be blank). Once your subscription request is received, you will receive a message describing the mailing list, as well as instructions on how to remove yourself from the list at a later date. Let the discussions begin... ...jay ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- JK Martin | Email: jkm@underscore.com -- -- Underscore, Inc. | Voice: (603) 889-7000 -- -- 41C Sagamore Park Road | Fax: (603) 889-2699 -- -- Hudson, NH 03051-4915 | Web: http://www.underscore.com -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From hastings at cp10.es.xerox.com Tue May 6 15:31:45 1997 From: hastings at cp10.es.xerox.com (Tom Hastings) Date: Wed May 6 14:05:03 2009 Subject: UPD> Re: Invitation to discuss the "Universal Print Driver" concept In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9705061933.AA05334@zazen.cp10.es.xerox.com> You didn't specify whether we were to RSVP or not, so I'll RSVP. I'll becoming to the dinner about UPD on May 15. Tom At 10:58 05/03/97 PDT, JK Martin wrote: >Greetings, > >I have been requested by some members of the Printer Working Group (PWG) >to specifically invite key companies to the upcoming dinner discussion >on the concept of a "Universal Print Driver" (UPD): > > Thursday evening, May 15 > Marriott Suites > Symphony Towers > 701 A Street > San Diego, California > (619) 696-9800 > >You have been selected for distribution of this message either due to >your subscription to one or more relevant PWG mailing lists, or by >previous contact with a PWG participant. > >Concerns have been raised regarding the viability of a standard Universal >Print Driver without the support of key companies having critical >involvement with printing facilities in general computing environments. > >Such companies may be characterized as being prominent players in one >or more of the following areas: > > - Operating systems and platforms > - Page description languages and interpreters > - Printer drivers > - Printing system software > >The participation of these companies is particularly encouraged: > > Adobe > Dazel > Digital > Hewlett-Packard > IBM > Microsoft > Novell > Sun Microsystems > Xerox > >Printer manufacturers are, of course, equally important in this discussion; >representatives of the printer industry have already been made aware of >this new topic of discussion by virtue of their participation in the PWG. >Strong support has been demonstrated within the printer industry to >investigate the potential for a Universal Print Driver. > >Currently the relationship of a Universal Print Driver with the emerging >Internet Printing Protocol (IPP) standards is not clear; however, most PWG >participants expect a strong binding between these two technical areas. >(In fact, the Universal Print Driver concept was the result of one of the >recent IPP Model teleconferences.) > >You and your company are strongly encouraged to attend this preliminary >discussion meeting on May 15. This meeting is designed to be an ad hoc >discussion of interested parties; no decision has been made whether to >formally create a PWG project to commence a standardization effort for the >Universal Print Driver. > >If you or your company believe a Universal Print Driver standardization >effort would be useless or counter-productive in any way, then by all means >please send a representative to this meeting and state your views. > >An electronic mailing list has been setup within the PWG to conduct open >discussions of the Universal Print Driver; instructions for joining this >list are attached. > >If your company can not send a representative to the meeting, then feel >free to either post your comments to this new list (mailto:upd@pwg.org), >or send me email and I'll be happy to post it to the list on your behalf. > >The PWG looks forward to your company's participation in this discussion. >Feel free to contact me for additional information. A complete "package" >of recent email messages on this topic can be sent to you directly, if >necessary, to quickly bring you up to speed on this new technical topic. > > Jay Martin > PWG Secretary > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- JK Martin | Email: jkm@underscore.com -- >-- Underscore, Inc. | Voice: (603) 889-7000 -- >-- 41C Sagamore Park Road | Fax: (603) 889-2699 -- >-- Hudson, NH 03051-4915 | Web: http://www.underscore.com -- >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>From pwg-owner@pwg.org Tue Apr 29 13:46 EDT 1997 >Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 13:41:22 -0400 (EDT) >From: JK Martin >To: pwg@pwg.org >Subject: PWG> New PWG mailing list: upd@pwg.org (Universal Print Driver) > >A new PWG email discussion list has been created for the purpose of >discussing the concepts and potential for "Universal Print Driver" >technology. > >Note that the formation of this list does not imply that the PWG >has decided to commence a standards development effort in this >technology area. Rather, the new "upd" mailing list currently >serves as a vehicle for the exchange of ideas among all interested >parties. (Should a standards effort result from the discussions >on this list, then it is likely that the list will also serve as >the official distribution list for the standards effort.) > >Interacting with the "upd" mailing list is the same as for all >other PWG mailing lists. To subscribe to this new mailing list, >send a message to: > > majordomo@pwg.org > >The body of the message should contain the following line: > > subscribe upd > >The originating email address is then subscribed to the list. >If for some reason an email address other than the originating >address is to be used as the subscribing address, then add the >target address to the end of the above line. > >For example, if you have an internal distribution list called >"upd-dist", then you would subscribe that address to this mailing list >by using this line as the message body: > > subscribe upd upd-dist@foo.com > >Note that when dealing with majordomo, the "Subject:" line is >always ignored (ie, it can be blank). > >Once your subscription request is received, you will receive >a message describing the mailing list, as well as instructions >on how to remove yourself from the list at a later date. > >Let the discussions begin... > > ...jay > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- JK Martin | Email: jkm@underscore.com -- >-- Underscore, Inc. | Voice: (603) 889-7000 -- >-- 41C Sagamore Park Road | Fax: (603) 889-2699 -- >-- Hudson, NH 03051-4915 | Web: http://www.underscore.com -- >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From hastings at cp10.es.xerox.com Tue May 6 15:27:28 1997 From: hastings at cp10.es.xerox.com (Tom Hastings) Date: Wed May 6 14:05:03 2009 Subject: UPD> Re: Invitation to discuss the "Universal Print Driver" concept In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9705061929.AA05326@zazen.cp10.es.xerox.com> Jay, I will be attending. Thanks for setting this up. Xerox is very interested and I need to get some more idea about the scope in order to get the proper participation from the rest of the company in UPD. Meanwhile, I'll bring back a report about UPD to the company from the dinner. Tom At 10:58 05/03/97 PDT, JK Martin wrote: >Greetings, > >I have been requested by some members of the Printer Working Group (PWG) >to specifically invite key companies to the upcoming dinner discussion >on the concept of a "Universal Print Driver" (UPD): > > Thursday evening, May 15 > Marriott Suites > Symphony Towers > 701 A Street > San Diego, California > (619) 696-9800 > >You have been selected for distribution of this message either due to >your subscription to one or more relevant PWG mailing lists, or by >previous contact with a PWG participant. > >Concerns have been raised regarding the viability of a standard Universal >Print Driver without the support of key companies having critical >involvement with printing facilities in general computing environments. > >Such companies may be characterized as being prominent players in one >or more of the following areas: > > - Operating systems and platforms > - Page description languages and interpreters > - Printer drivers > - Printing system software > >The participation of these companies is particularly encouraged: > > Adobe > Dazel > Digital > Hewlett-Packard > IBM > Microsoft > Novell > Sun Microsystems > Xerox > >Printer manufacturers are, of course, equally important in this discussion; >representatives of the printer industry have already been made aware of >this new topic of discussion by virtue of their participation in the PWG. >Strong support has been demonstrated within the printer industry to >investigate the potential for a Universal Print Driver. > >Currently the relationship of a Universal Print Driver with the emerging >Internet Printing Protocol (IPP) standards is not clear; however, most PWG >participants expect a strong binding between these two technical areas. >(In fact, the Universal Print Driver concept was the result of one of the >recent IPP Model teleconferences.) > >You and your company are strongly encouraged to attend this preliminary >discussion meeting on May 15. This meeting is designed to be an ad hoc >discussion of interested parties; no decision has been made whether to >formally create a PWG project to commence a standardization effort for the >Universal Print Driver. > >If you or your company believe a Universal Print Driver standardization >effort would be useless or counter-productive in any way, then by all means >please send a representative to this meeting and state your views. > >An electronic mailing list has been setup within the PWG to conduct open >discussions of the Universal Print Driver; instructions for joining this >list are attached. > >If your company can not send a representative to the meeting, then feel >free to either post your comments to this new list (mailto:upd@pwg.org), >or send me email and I'll be happy to post it to the list on your behalf. > >The PWG looks forward to your company's participation in this discussion. >Feel free to contact me for additional information. A complete "package" >of recent email messages on this topic can be sent to you directly, if >necessary, to quickly bring you up to speed on this new technical topic. > > Jay Martin > PWG Secretary > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- JK Martin | Email: jkm@underscore.com -- >-- Underscore, Inc. | Voice: (603) 889-7000 -- >-- 41C Sagamore Park Road | Fax: (603) 889-2699 -- >-- Hudson, NH 03051-4915 | Web: http://www.underscore.com -- >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>From pwg-owner@pwg.org Tue Apr 29 13:46 EDT 1997 >Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 13:41:22 -0400 (EDT) >From: JK Martin >To: pwg@pwg.org >Subject: PWG> New PWG mailing list: upd@pwg.org (Universal Print Driver) > >A new PWG email discussion list has been created for the purpose of >discussing the concepts and potential for "Universal Print Driver" >technology. > >Note that the formation of this list does not imply that the PWG >has decided to commence a standards development effort in this >technology area. Rather, the new "upd" mailing list currently >serves as a vehicle for the exchange of ideas among all interested >parties. (Should a standards effort result from the discussions >on this list, then it is likely that the list will also serve as >the official distribution list for the standards effort.) > >Interacting with the "upd" mailing list is the same as for all >other PWG mailing lists. To subscribe to this new mailing list, >send a message to: > > majordomo@pwg.org > >The body of the message should contain the following line: > > subscribe upd > >The originating email address is then subscribed to the list. >If for some reason an email address other than the originating >address is to be used as the subscribing address, then add the >target address to the end of the above line. > >For example, if you have an internal distribution list called >"upd-dist", then you would subscribe that address to this mailing list >by using this line as the message body: > > subscribe upd upd-dist@foo.com > >Note that when dealing with majordomo, the "Subject:" line is >always ignored (ie, it can be blank). > >Once your subscription request is received, you will receive >a message describing the mailing list, as well as instructions >on how to remove yourself from the list at a later date. > >Let the discussions begin... > > ...jay > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- JK Martin | Email: jkm@underscore.com -- >-- Underscore, Inc. | Voice: (603) 889-7000 -- >-- 41C Sagamore Park Road | Fax: (603) 889-2699 -- >-- Hudson, NH 03051-4915 | Web: http://www.underscore.com -- >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From jkm at underscore.com Thu May 8 17:31:37 1997 From: jkm at underscore.com (JK Martin) Date: Wed May 6 14:05:03 2009 Subject: UPD> Hewlett-Packard to share information at the UPD meeting May 15 Message-ID: <199705082131.RAA06680@uscore.underscore.com> For those of you planning to attend the kick-off dinner discussion next Thursday in San Diego (May 15), the attached information could be of considerable interest. ...jay ----- Begin Included Message ----- From: Stephen Holmstead To: "'JK Martin'" Subject: RE: UPD> Invitation to discuss the "Universal Print Driver" concept Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 11:46:25 -0600 Encoding: 168 TEXT Thanks for the invitation. I'm planning on attending the dinner/discussion group on UPD. I have some information about some significant things from Hewlett Packard that may influence the outcome of a UPD. I'm looking forward to our discussion. -- Stephen Holmstead Hewlett Packard Internet Solutions Operation stephen_holmstead@hp.com ----- End Included Message ----- From jkm at underscore.com Fri May 9 11:49:53 1997 From: jkm at underscore.com (JK Martin) Date: Wed May 6 14:05:03 2009 Subject: UPD> More info on the UPD dinner discussion on May 15 Message-ID: <199705091549.LAA08872@uscore.underscore.com> We have finally nailed down the hotel conference room and times for the UPD meeting in San Diego next Thursday, May 15: Room: Symphony Bay 1,2,3 (same as the PWG meetings that day) Time: 6:30pm to 11:00pm PST There is a Pizza Hut located within the hotel itself, for those who might want that kind of food. Others are interested in oriental cuisine, and we'll work that out later. This is the first night meeting of its kind for the PWG, so bare with us if the arrangements are a little rocky. Also, we're going to have to deal with the cost of the hotel conference room, too. I've gotten the hotel to significantly reduce its normal price from $200 down to $100. Right now there are between 15 and 20 people expecting to attend the meeting, so the per-person cost will be something on the order of $5-7 (not including the food you order). ...jay From jkm at underscore.com Fri May 9 12:14:52 1997 From: jkm at underscore.com (JK Martin) Date: Wed May 6 14:05:03 2009 Subject: UPD> More info on the UPD dinner discussion on May 15 In-Reply-To: More info on the UPD dinner discussion on May 15> Message-ID: <199705091614.MAA08958@uscore.underscore.com> Given this day of political correctness (not to mention civil lawsuits), I feel compelled to post a correction to that last message on this topic: > This is the first night meeting of its kind for the PWG, so bare with > us if the arrangements are a little rocky. ^ | | Fat fingers strike again. No, this is not one of those California nude events, I assure you. However, your patience and understanding is requested. ...jay From carl at manros.com Sat May 17 11:05:08 1997 From: carl at manros.com (Carl-Uno Manros) Date: Wed May 6 14:05:03 2009 Subject: UPD> MS & Adobe on Print Drivers Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970517150508.006737c8@pop3.holonet.net> Hi, I just found this article about MS and Adobe's collaboration on Postscript drivers. http://www.microsoft.com/corpinfo/press/1997/apr97/adbpsopr.htm Regards, Carl-Uno From rbergma at dpc.com Tue May 20 20:40:33 1997 From: rbergma at dpc.com (Ron Bergman) Date: Wed May 6 14:05:03 2009 Subject: UPD> Minutes of May Meeting (San Diego) Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970517150508.006737c8@pop3.holonet.net> I have posted the minutes of the UPD meeting at ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/upd/upd-9705.txt (pdf, doc) The text version is also attached. Ron Bergman Dataproducts Corp ------------------------------------------------------- Universal Print Driver (UPD) Meeting: May 15, 1997 Attendees: --------- Scott Isaacson Tom Hastings Harry Lewis Jeff Copeland Robert Kline Lee Farrel Bob Herroit Bill Wagner Bob Pentecost Sylvan Butler Mike Mathews Jay Martin David Kellerman Keith Carter Don Wright Steven Holmstead Ron Bergman This activity resulted from an IPP teleconference discussion. The purpose of the meeting is to see if there is any interest in starting a PWG project to develop a Universal Print Driver. HP Presentation (Steve Holmstead): ---------------------------------- HP believes that the 'Information utility' is the next technology step after 'Client/Server'. Previous steps were 'Main frame' -> 'Mini-Computer' -> 'PC' -> 'Client/Server' The 'Information Utility' will require a 'device independent' mechanism for any-to-any device interaction. HP has defined a "Connection Independent" session layer protocol for this application.: Protocol is peer-to-peer and device independent. Data formats include the ability to exchange capabilities between devices. Questions from Jay Martin's meeting announcement: ------------------------------------------------ What is a Universal Printer Driver? Why important? (problems) What are the goals? How would we model it? What is the relationship to IPP? Acceptance issues? Issues surrounding the environment? Backward compatibility issues? Standardization issues? Discussion: ---------- The evolution of drivers from Microsoft is more towards a product with more universal functionality. Presently product features are communicated to the driver via a PPD file. A Universal Printer Driver must be able to be self configuring for multiple products. Should a UPD use only one PDL or support multiple PDLs or ignore? Harry Lewis proposed that the UPD be limited to those parameters that can be used by PWG standards. (i.e. IPP for job submission and the Printer MIB to obtain additional information regarding the printer.) The Printer MIB only describes the current state of the printer, not its potential capabilities. Drivers are one item that printer vendors can use to differentiate their products. Two views: The logical printer informs the driver of what it will do. The user tells the driver how it wants the output presented. Five key features applicable to the discussion of a UPD: 1. User interface - The UI should display only those features present in the printer. 2. Interactions - Features that cannot be used together should not be allowed to both be selected. 3. Control code - 4. Extensions - 5. Localization - PPD IPP Printer MIB Content X 1/4 7/8 User Interface 1/2 1/8 - Interactions X 1/16 - Control Codes X X - Extensions ? ? ? Localization 1/2 X X Conclusions: ----------- 1. Keep the mailing list open. 2. No PWG project is recommended at this time. 3. The activity might best be directed towards the definition of a more universal PPD file. From GregoryL at spider.epson.com Tue Jun 3 22:48:53 1997 From: GregoryL at spider.epson.com (Gregory A. LeClair) Date: Wed May 6 14:05:03 2009 Subject: UPD> UPD Results from SD Message-ID: <01BC7057.2B4159A0@gregl_dx2.epson.com> What was the result of the SD meeting on UPD? I noticed Jay mentioned there will not be a session in Nashua. Greg LeClair From rbergma at dpc.com Wed Jun 4 10:55:56 1997 From: rbergma at dpc.com (Ron Bergman) Date: Wed May 6 14:05:03 2009 Subject: UPD> UPD Results from SD In-Reply-To: <01BC7057.2B4159A0@gregl_dx2.epson.com> Message-ID: <01BC7057.2B4159A0@gregl_dx2.epson.com> Greg, See the minutes located at: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/upd/upd-9705.txt (.pdf .doc) Ron Bergman Dataproducts Corp. On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, Gregory A. LeClair wrote: > > What was the result of the SD meeting on UPD? > I noticed Jay mentioned there will not be a session in Nashua. > > Greg LeClair > > > From gregory_leclair at erc.epson.com Wed Jun 4 13:19:41 1997 From: gregory_leclair at erc.epson.com (gregory leclair) Date: Wed May 6 14:05:03 2009 Subject: UPD> UPD Results from SD Message-ID: <9705048654.AA865450274@erc.epson.com> Ooops.... Thanks Ron! ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: UPD> UPD Results from SD Author: Ron Bergman at Internet Date: 6/4/97 8:10 AM Greg, See the minutes located at: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/upd/upd-9705.txt (.pdf .doc) Ron Bergman Dataproducts Corp. On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, Gregory A. LeClair wrote: > > What was the result of the SD meeting on UPD? > I noticed Jay mentioned there will not be a session in Nashua. > > Greg LeClair > > > From don at lexmark.com Wed Jun 11 20:43:15 1997 From: don at lexmark.com (don@lexmark.com) Date: Wed May 6 14:05:03 2009 Subject: UPD> August Printer Working Group Meetings Message-ID: <199706121548.AA27330@interlock2.lexmark.com> The August Printer Working Group meeting will be held at Microsoft in Redmond. The current schedule is as follows: August 4th, 5th 9AM - 6PM 1394 Printing Working Group August 6th, 7th 8:30 AM - 6PM IPP Work Group August 8th 8:30 AM - 6PM JMP, etc. as required Each of you is on your own for hotel reservations. Recommendations for hotels are as follows: Double Tree (was Red Lion) Bellvue 425-455-1300 Hyatt Bellvue 425-462-1234 Hilton Bellvue 425-455-3330 Ask for the Microsoft rate at these hotels. Maps, directions, buildings and rooms will be distributed in a later note. If you have any concerns about the above schedule (other than the times which are fixed by room availability at Microsoft) please let me know ASAP so people can make their travel plans. Thanks, Don ************************************************************* * Don Wright (don@lexmark.com) Lexmark International * * Manager Strategic Alliances * * 740 New Circle Rd Phone: 606-232-4808 * * Lexington, KY 40511 Fax: 606-232-6740 * *************************************************************