FIN Mail Archive: FIN> RE: Additional Text Proposed for Section 2 (Terminology)

FIN> RE: Additional Text Proposed for Section 2 (Terminology)

Tom Hastings (hastings@cp10.es.xerox.com)
Mon, 6 Apr 1998 22:45:15 PDT

Here are some comments from Barry Mandel on the Finising Coordinate
system proposal.

Tom

>Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 11:37:41 -0400 (EDT)
>From: "Mandel,Barry" <Barry_Mandel@xn.xerox.com>
>Subject: RE: Additional Text Proposed for Section 2 (Terminology)
>To: Tom Hastings <hastings@cp10.es.xerox.com>
>Posting-date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 11:38:12 -0400
>Priority: normal
>Hop-count: 3
>
>Tom,
> I finally got around to pasting this note into wordpad where I could
> view it using a non-proportional font. It appears to me that the
> proposed coordinate system assumes that the sheet will be fed long
> edge first (LEF), since the "Head" mechanisms are aligned along one of
> the long edges. Would this coordinate system work if a document was
> fed SEF (i.e., 8.5x14" legal documents) and a finishing operation (ie,
> stapling, or punching) was to be performed on the short edge?
>
>It's probably just me, but I'm a little confused over some of the DPA
> definitions. I have a few comments:
>
>Finishing: Not all finishing operations are done "prior to delivery of
> the document to the output subunit". Stack offset (if you call that
> "finishing") is done in the output tray, and in the Lakes finisher the
> stapling operation is done with 95% of the set already in the output tray.
>
>Finishing Specification: The DPA definition focuses on the sequential
> order of the finishing operations. I'd propose that the definition
> focus on the end results of the finishing operation (i.e., what the
> customer sees), not on the mechanisms involved. If a new technology
> was developed that trimmed the sheets of a booklet before they were
> compiled and folded, and the finished booklets were exactly the same,
> would that require a new finishing specification? I think of a
> finishing specification as being things like; Staple position, Edge
> trim accuracy, Sheet misregistration, Fold tightness, etc., but maybe
> the DPA is after something different than my interpretation.
>
>Finishing Operation Parameters: I don't really understand how any set
> of generic finishing operation parameters can be applicable to any
> finishing specification. An example would probably be helpful here.
>
>Jog Edge: This term seems to imply a jogging mechanism is used for
> sheet registration perpendicular to the reference edge. Sheet
> registration can be performed using (a) surface friction systems, or
> (b) edge tamping systems, on either reference edge. The resulting set
> registration is quite different for the above two methods, with method
> "a" yielding all sheets aligned to a common edge regardless of paper
> size tolerances, and method "b" yielding a zone in which all sheets
> will randomly lie. There are other, less common registration
> methods (such as the use of vibration) that also provide single edge
> sheet alignment.
>
>Feel free to call me if you want to discuss this further. Regards,
>
>Barry
>
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>From: Tom Hastings
>To: Mandel,Barry; Tom Luekens
>Cc: Jim_Campbell@xn.xerox.com; Kitty_Koul@xn.xerox.com;
> William_Stumbo@xn.xerox.com; jobmodel@wrc.xerox.com;
> hastings@cp10.es.xerox.com
>Subject: Additional Text Proposed for Section 2 (Terminology)
>Date: Friday, March 27, 1998 10:09AM
>
>How does this look for a coordinate system for the Finisher MIB
>(taken from ISO DPA standard)?
>
>I have a meeting the week after next in which we will discuss this.
>I'd appreciate feedback before then.
>
>Thanks,
>Tom
>
>>Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:02:59 PST
>>From: Ron Bergman <rbergma@dpc.com>
>>To: fin@pwg.org
>>Subject: FIN> Additional Text Proposed for Section 2 (Terminology)
>>X-X-Sender: rbergma@newmai.dpc.com
>>Sender: fin-owner@pwg.org
>>
>>I have drafted the following text to be added to section 2 of the Finisher
>>MIB document. This is based upon the DPA definitions.
>>
>>Please review and comment. I will include this information in the next
>>update of the document.
>>
>> Ron Bergman
>> Dataproducts Corp.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ^ Y
>> |
>> |<---- 'Y' Reference Edge
>> |
>> | |<--- 'Y' Finishing Operation Axis
>> | |
>> --->| |<--- 'Y' Finishing Axis Offset
>> | |
>> Head +-------------------------+ (X2, Y4)
>> Locations | | |
>> +-----|----+ |
>> -----Y3--|-----|--O | <--- Head |
>> ^ +-----|----+ Mechanism |
>> | | | |
>> | | | |
>> | | | |
>> | | | |
>> | +-----|----+ 'X' Finishing |
>> | ---Y2--|-----|--O |------------------ |
>> | ^ +-----|----+ Operation Axis |
>> | | | | |
>> | | | | |
>> | | | | |
>> | | | | |
>> | | +-----|----+ |
>> | | -Y1--|-----|--O | |
>> | | ^ +-----|----+ lower right |
>> | | | | | corner | X
>> --------------- +--+----------------------+ ---->
>> (0,0) (X1, 0) 'X' Reference Edge
>>
>> Figure 1 - Finishing Operation Parameters
>>
>>
>>Media Orientation: All Finishing Operations are defined relative to a
>>portrait orientation of the medium, regardless of the orientation of
>>the printed image. The 'X' and 'Y' axis, therefore, will always
>>reference the medium as shown in figure 1. All edges and corners are
>>also defined with the medium orientation as shown using the syntax
>>upper, lower, left, and right. Thus the lower edge of the medium is at
>>Y = 0, the left edge is at X = 0, and the lower right corner is at
>>(X1, 0) as shown in the figure.
>>
>>Finishing: Defined by DPA as an operation on a document following the
>>completion of the image process and prior to the delivery of the
>>document into the output subunit. Finishing operations defined within
>>this document are those applied to one or more instances of rectagular
>>paper sheet media.
>>
>>Finishing Operation: Defined by DPA as a process applied by a machine
>>such as trimming a document, folding the sheets in a document, and
>>applying a binding to a document.
>>
>>Finishing Specification: Defined by DPA as the specific sequence of
>>operations for a serial combination of finishing operations. The
>>exact sequential order of the operations, in many cases, is critical to
>>the obtaining the desired result. For example, a folding operation
>>followed by trimming could provide a very different result than if the
>>trimming was followed by the folding.
>>
>>Finishing Operation Parameters: This parameter set is used to create a
>>detailed definition of the finishing operation. Generic Finishing
>>Operation Parameters are applicable to any Finishing Specification.
>>
>> Head Mechanism: Defined by DPA as the physical mechanism that is
>> used to perform a finishing operation. The head position may be
>> fixed or variable depending upon the capabilities of the device.
>>
>> Reference Edge: Defined by DPA as the edge of the document relative
>> to the axis to which the finishing operation is applied. The edge of
>> the medium defined to be the Reference Edge may be either the 'X' or
>> the 'Y' axis, depending upon the finishing operation to be performed.
>>
>> Finishing Operation Axis: Defined by DPA as the axis to which some
>> finishing operations are applied to or referenced from by the Head
>> Mechanism. An example is the axis for a fold operation.
>>
>> Head Locations: Defined by DPA as the position of the Heads on the
>> Finishing Operation Axis.
>>
>> Finishing Axis Offset: The offset from the Reference Edge to the
>> Finishing Operation Axis at which the finishing operation takes place
>> or is applied.
>>
>> Jog Edge: Defined by DPA as one of the two edges that are
>> perpendicular to the Reference Edge. Specification of the Jog Edge
>> parameter implies that the edges of all the sheets that correspond to
>> the referenced edge coincide.
>>
>>Two-Stage Finishing: DPA defines this process as sequences of explicit
>>finishing operations to be applied on two stages. The first stage
>>operations are applied to each document within a job that contains
>>several documents. The second stage operations are applied to each set
>>of documents that compose a complete job copy.
>>
>>
>>
>>NEW ATTRIBUTES RELATED TO ABOVE:
>>-------------------------------
>>
>>finishingOperationOffsetUnits(9), INETGER
>> INTEGER: An enumeration which defines the units of measure for the
>> attributes finishingOperationAxisOffsetX and
>> finishingOperationAxisOffsetY. The enum values for this attribute
>> are defined by PrtMediaUnitTC.
>>
>>FinishingOperationAxisOffsetX(10), Integer32
>> INTEGER: Defines the offset of the Finishing Operation Axis from the
>> Reference Edge on the 'X' axis. The units of measure are defined
>> by the attribute finishingOperationOffsetUnits.
>>
>>FinishingOperationAxisOffsetY(11), Integer32
>> INTEGER: Defines the offset of the Finishing Operation Axis from the
>> Reference Edge on the 'Y' axis. The units of measure are defined
>> by the attribute finishingOperationOffsetUnits.
>>
>>
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