Christian, thank you for contacting me regarding the feasibility of
extending the Finisher MIB. I'm glad that you find the Finisher MIB
applicable to UP3i. I strongly encourage leveraging common semantics among
related standards organizations.
Of course I know R. Parrish, R. Graham, R. Hohensee and D. Stone.. they
are exceptional colleagues (as are the Finisher MIB co-authors, R. Bergman
and I. McDonald).
I have discussed your note with my co-authors and we have the following
comments
1. It appears that you are working with an out of date draft (-14).
- Please obtain the latest draft
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-printmib-finishing-16.txt
- Note that there have been updates, especially in the areas of
internationalization and charset support
2. Your table did not translate well into plain text. If possible, please
forward an HTML or WORD version. This will help us better understand your
specific questions
- Please include more descriptive text for each proposed attribute if
possible... enough to adequately describe the attribute and it's purpose,
such as you find in our Printer and Finisher MIBs.
3. Some of the attributes you are interested in (ex. amount remaining on
roll) may be part of the Printer MIB
I would like to recommend that PWG and UP3i work together to extend the
Finisher MIB to suite you needs. Since the IETF process can be
excruciatingly slow and cumbersome, the PWG plans to manage future printer
related MIB extensions via our own, PWG standards process. In fact, we are
currently engaged in defining a web services device management protocol
and related XML schema. We expect this effort to result in some new
printer and scanner semantics which will need to be mapped into PWG
Printer MIB extensions.... so your timing is good. We can work together on
the Finisher MIB extensions this year.
PWG will be holding a f2f meeting in San Jose, California, Feb 23-26.
There is still time to add this topic to the agenda if you think a UP3i
representative(s) would attend. Our next meeting will be April (after
Easter) in Washington, D.C.
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Harry Lewis
Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group
http://www.pwg.org
IBM Printing Systems
http://www.ibm.com/printers
303-924-5337
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"Sack, Christian" <Christian.Sack@ops.de>
01/09/2004 03:33 AM
To
Harry Lewis/Boulder/IBM@IBMUS
cc
Kouptchinsky Andre <Andre.Kouptchinsky@osl.be>
Subject
UP3I's interest to Finishing MIB
Hello Harry, dear Finisher-MIB chair,
my name is Christian Sack and I'm writing you in the name of the UP3I
organization. This organization (UP3I = Universal Printer, Pre and
Postprocessing Inerface, www.up3i.org) is a non profit organization of
vendors like IBM, Xerox, Oce, RSI, Standard etc. I'm director to this
organisation. From IBM's technical side there are Ron Parrish
(ronp@us.ibm.com), Ronald Graham (regraham@us.ibm.com), Reinhard Hohensee
(hohensee@us.ibm.com), Dave E. Stone (destone@us.ibm.com), and others
involved - maybe you know them?
Here now comes my request for some help: The UP3I specification made a
connection to your Finishing-MIB as we use your excellent work for
administrative information support. Now as we are deeper in detail and
going
to implementation phase, we miss some parameters in your MIB. Please find
below a summarized table of my partner Andre Kouptchinsky with these
missing
parameters.
Table 1: Attributes to support by finisher devices via SNMP. Mandatory
attributes are emphasized.
MIF attributes Meaning Coverage by IETF finisher
MIB draft nr 14
.1 ComponentId printmib.30.1.1.10
finDeviceDescription
.1.1 Manufacturer specific OID's per
attribute to be supplied
.1.2 Product idem
.1.3 Version idem
.1.4 Serial Number idem
.1.5 Installation Date idem
.1.6 Verify idem
.1101 Controller
.1101.1 Status printmib.30.1.1.9 finDeviceStatus
.1101.2 Error not in MIB draft proposal, to be
supplied
.1101.3 Warning not in MIB draft
proposal, can be supplied
.1102 Counters
Cutter Stacker (Hunkeler):
.1102.1 Stunden run hours since production start-up not
in MIB
draft proposal, to be supplied
.1102.2 Schnitt number of cuts of a cutter not in MIB
draft
proposal, to be supplied
.1102.3 Dokumente number of documents processed by cutter
not in MIB
draft proposal, to be supplied
.1102.4 Stapel number of stacks processed by cutter not in MIB
draft
proposal, to be supplied
.1102.5 Formatgrösse size of a cut in 1/6 inch not in MIB
draft
proposal, can be supplied
Unwinder (Hunkeler):
.1102.1 Stunden run hours since production start-up
.1102.2 Laufmeter paper length in current meters
.1102.3 Rollen number of rolls on (un)winder since production
start
printmib.31.1.1.1 finSupplyIndex (supply index to increment for every new
roll)
.1102.4 Rollengrösse Roll diameter in mm (current) not in MIB
draft
proposal, can be supplied
Cutter (Stralfors):
.1102.1 NumberOfPages number of cut pages since knife change
not in MIB
draft proposal, to be supplied
Re-/Unwinder (Stralfors):
.1102.1 PaperRemaining amount of paper remaining on roll
printmib.31.1.1.8 finSupplyCurrentLevel
Others (see hereunder):
.1102.1 NumberOfTicks percentage of remaining paper on a roll
or stack
not in MIB draft proposal, to be supplied
.1102.2 FillStatus percentage of remaining paper on a roll
or stack
printmib.31.1.1.8 finSupplyCurrentLevel
May be it is possible extend the finishing MIB, or is UP3I supposed to add
some prorietary branches or have we simply overseen some points? Please
advice and give us an idea how to continue on this point... Thanks!
Best regards,
Christian
================================
Christian Sack
Océ Printing Systems GmbH
Electronics and Sensors
Siemensallee 2
85586 Poing
Tel: +49 8121 72 3186
Fax: +49 8121 72 4221
Océ mission statement:
Océ enables its customers to manage their documents efficiently by
offering
innovative print and document management products and services for
professional environments.
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