IFX Mail Archive: IFX> Re: draft-ietf-roamops-phonebook-xml-02.txt

IFX Mail Archive: IFX> Re: draft-ietf-roamops-phonebook-xml-02.txt

IFX> Re: draft-ietf-roamops-phonebook-xml-02.txt

harryl@us.ibm.com
Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:05:23 -0700

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Sorry, if I realized there were limitations on the request for comments=
...

>Could I please ask that we continue to provide comments on the draft, =
as
they
>relate to making the draft ready for publication. This means any
innapropriate
>use of XML, typos and the like.

=A0...I wouldn't have mentioned adding a 'print-to' URL along with the =
FAX
number. I guess I'm still learning about the IETF process.

The request to review indicated that the draft had been modified,
partially, to emphasize information exchange...

>application of the phone book as standard format for exchanging
>information between providers and the roaming consortium as well
>as between the roaming consortium and the users.

This exchange is primarily for the purpose of establishing a channel,
connection or "account" between the roaming client and the consortium o=
f
ISP providers but in the context of "support" provides an actual 'phone=

book' of contact information including postal, web page URL, phone, fax=
and
more. The recommendation to add IPP to the OPTIONAL contact information=
for
obtaining support, does not seem inappropriate and adds little to the
kitchen sink that is already there.

Maybe the term "phonebook" misrepresents the main purpose of this draft=
.
Most "reaction" to my suggestion correctly points out that IPP has litt=
le
(in fact, nothing) to do with the primary focus of the submission (find=
ing
the Internet Point of Presence, determining the set-up criteria and get=
ting
the service up and running). But in terms of the "contact information" =
as
it pertains to "support" and particularly as it becomes analogous to
providing a FAX number... I think the suggestion should be viewed less =
as
an "issue" and more at face value.

Extensibility was mentioned as one reason the draft was revised to use =
XML.
No one will disagree that FAX has a longer history than IPP. If the roa=
mops
group adopts a "wait and see" consensus regarding the use of 'print-to'=

URLs in addition to FAX, that's OK. I'd rather see the disposition... "=
we
have an extensible phone book which can be updated as the market
demonstrates wider adoption of IPP for information exchange" than
"aarghh...Pandora's box, the kitchen sink..." I don't know how easy or
likely such an update is, however, and maintain that it would be effici=
ent
to provide the information now.

Harry Lewis
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| =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 To: |
| Randy Bush |
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| =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 cc: |
| Bernard Aboba |
| <aboba@internaut.com>|
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| roamops@tdmx.rutgers.|
| edu |
| =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Subject: |
| Re: |
| draft-ietf-roamops-ph|
| onebook-xml-02.txt |
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I have been quietly following this thread, and I must admit that I am a=

little
disturbed by the recent activity to include everything under the Sun in=
to
the phone book.

Initially, the phone book was supposed to contain a list of ISPs one co=
uld
contact for service. It was decided that the phone book should include =
some
contact information, should the user require some technical support.

I am not against IPP, IP over Fax or any other such service, but I real=
ly
do
not see how this fits in. Next thing you'll know, we are going to end u=
p
with
Instant Messaging lists, and other really neat, but not quite needed at=
the
moment.

Could I please ask that we continue to provide comments on the draft, a=
s
they
relate to making the draft ready for publication. This means any
innapropriate
use of XML, typos and the like.

I would REALLY like to see this draft go out, and the work group finall=
y
shut
down.

PatC
> [ ad hat on, and excuse my using your message as a soapbox ]
>
> as roamops is not meeting in dc, i will bring up what might be more
easily
> discussed face to face. =A0note that a number of iesg members are rea=
ding
this
> list, and are pondering the issue.
>
> > To avoid having the phone book become a kitchen sink
>
> i am trying to understand if there are clear and necessary *operation=
al*
> requirements for additional info other than that necessary for a roam=
er
to
> select and call a pop.
>
> if this is a more general phonebook proposal then why is it in this w=
g as
> opposed to being spun off to a seperate wg that would look carefully =
into
> the requirements for such a protocol? =A0such a wg would probably be =
in the
> aps area, since this is becoming the sort of thing for which ops does=
not
> bring enough to the table.
>
> if this wg focuses on the clear and simple needs which we know how to=

solve
> in a direct manner, then we should be able to finish this quickly and=
get
on
> with life. =A0if not, then life will get on with us.
>
> randy

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