IPP Mail Archive: IPP> OPS - Notes and Agreements on IPP Admin Ops from IPP WG meeting,

IPP Mail Archive: IPP> OPS - Notes and Agreements on IPP Admin Ops from IPP WG meeting,

IPP> OPS - Notes and Agreements on IPP Admin Ops from IPP WG meeting,

Hastings, Tom N (hastings@cp10.es.xerox.com)
Tue, 13 Jul 1999 12:54:58 -0700

I've attached the notes, issues, and agreements regarding the Additional
Administrative Operations, dated June 30, 1999, that were reviewed at the
IPP WG meeting, 7/7-99-7/8/99 in Copenhagen.

We will discuss these agreements and issues on the DL and at the upcoming
IPP telecon, Wed,
7/14/99, 1-3pm EDT (10-12 PDT).

I've also copied these agreements to:

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/proposed-registrations/operations/ipp-ops-admi
n-agreements-990708.doc
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/proposed-registrations/operations/ipp-ops-admi
n-agreements-990708.pdf
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/proposed-registrations/operations/ipp-ops-admi
n-agreements-990708.txt

Notes and Agreements on Admin operations, 7/7/99

From: Bob Herriot and Tom Hastings
Date: 07/08/1999
File: ipp-ops-admin-agreements-990708.doc

Bob Herriot led the IPP review of the Additional Administrative
Operations document, dated June 30, 1999, at the 7/7/99-7/8/99 IETF IPP
WG meeting on Copenhagen. He generated the following notes and
agreements that were reached. The unnumbered issues are new issues
raised. The number issues refer to the numbered issues in the
specification. Unresolved ISSUES are highlighted in yellow in the .doc
and .pdf files.

The document being reviewed is available at:

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/proposed-registrations/operations/ipp-ops-admi
n-990630.pdf

As always, these agreements are being sent to the IPP DL for further
discussion and final consensus.

1. ISSUE: What happens if the value for the operator-message for job or
printer is either a blank or an empty string for the set operation or
other operations that set this attribute?

2. Printer and job operator message should also have a tick time, which
is required. Date-time value should be required if the printer
implements the current-date-time.

3. ISSUE: Can a client determine the values of "when" that are supported
for operations (Pause-Printer, Reset-Printer, and Shutdown-Printer)?

4. ISSUE 1: The 'after-current-job' value of the "when" operation
attribute must be supported.

5. ISSUE: In 13.1.5.8 server-error-printer-is-in-standby-mode, when
Printer has been shutdown in 'standby-mode' (as opposed to "shutdown-
function" = 'power-down'), : Restart and Get-Printer-attributes
work, but does Set work?

6. ISSUE: Perhaps only Restart should work when a printer is shut down,
not Get-Printer-Attributes?

7. Tables for Set-Printer-Attributes and Set-Job-Attributes operations:
Change all occurrences of "MUST NOT if supported" to "MUST NOT"

8. In the tables that show what attributes are settable for Set-Printer-
Attributes and Set-Job-Attributes operations: should the table be
replaced with a list the attributes that are read-only. Perhaps
there is an attribute that lists all settable attributes.

9. ISSUE: Do "operations-supported" and "versions-supported" reflect
software support or does the software examine the administratively
set values to determine behavior. That is, are they read-only or
read/write?

10. Fidelity should go away for the set operation. The set operation
should be atomic.

11. Set-Printer-Attributes operation: The "document-format" operation
attribute does have issues that were left unresolved. Issue of how
to resolve with attributes that do and don't vary with regard to
format. For example if I set n-up and media for a format of
PostScript and then Get-Printer-Attributes with a document format of
text, have I changed the values of n-up and media, or just n-up
because its value depends on the format but not media which doesn't.
The document format is a limited version of constraints. ISSUE: Do
we continue the error with Get-Printer-Attributes by adding
"document-format" to Set-Printer-Attributes or do we acknowledge that
an attribute holds all values, but some may be constrained by
constraints which are another attribute to set.

12. Keep unsupported values rules for Set-Job-Attributes consistent to
Create-Job rules instead of new ones with new 'read-only' out-of-band
value

13. ISSUE: Make stronger what operations do with regard to other
protocols, e.g., disable should disable queue for other protocols
too. People are not unanimous on this. Some believe that admin
operation affect only the IPP channel; other believe it affect the
entire device and thus other protocols "feel" the change.

14. ISSUE: Is IPP intended for printer management. The issue is still
undetermined?

15. Shutdown-Printer operation's behavior should perhaps be left more
implementation dependent with respect to Pause/Resume of job. It is
hard for us to prescribe some printer dependent behavior as to
whether a job can be resumed after a "now" type of shutdown.

16. ISSUE 6 (Shutdown-Printer operation) and ISSUE 11 (Pause-Job
operation): The "synchronize" attribute: it is not clear why this
would ever be false. Ok to get rid of from the Shutdown-Printer and
Pause-Job operations?

17. ISSUE: It isn't clear which type of checkpointing is being
suggested for synchronize: checkpoint a stream or checkpoint in a job
that is on a disk file in the printer.

18. ISSUE 9 (Pause-Job operation), ISSUE 12 (Pause-Current-Job
operation), and ISSUE 13 (Resume-Job operation): The 'processing-
stopped' state seems like the right job state for Pause-Job and
Pause-Current-Job, rather than 'pending-held'.

19. Do we really need Pause-Current-Job. Most people felt that Pause-
Job was sufficient.

20. Promote-Job seems to have no support. No one can see a reason.
Also, it would seem that a GUI would want a drag and drop interface
that would allow a job to be move to any position in a queue. This
implies that we must define a model for how a queue is ordered and
what moving jobs does to the ordering. For example a queue might be
order by time of arrival, but the "move" operation would disrupt this
temporarily. It would not change the fact that arriving jobs would
still go to the end of the queue.

21. ISSUE: Does we really need a Space-Current-Job. This seems very
specific to roll-fed printers.

22. ISSUE: Is Space-Current-Job reasonable to do in the 'processing'
state when paper is still moving?

23. ISSUE: In the 'processing-stopped' state, is there a "current"
job?

24. Should be Space-Job with job-id if in spec at all.

The following numbered ISSUES were not addressed in the notes, so I've
copied them here so that we have one set of issues and agreements:

25. ISSUE 2: In the Reset-Printer operation, is the "non-process-run-
out" operation attribute really needed at all or can the default
behavior for Reset-Printer be defined to be to perform non-process
run out (for continuous and cut sheet printers)?

26. ISSUE 3: In the Restart-Printer operation, is the "non-process-
run-out" operation attribute really needed at all or can the default
behavior for Restart-Printer be defined to be to perform non-process
run out (for continuous and cut sheet printers)?

27. ISSUE 4: In the Space-Printer operation, is the "non-process-run-
out" operation attribute really needed at all or can the default
behavior for Space-Printer be defined to be to perform non-process
run out (for continuous and cut sheet printers)?

28. ISSUE 5: Is the Shutdown-Printer operation, it the "non-process-
run-out" operation attribute really needed at all or can the default
behavior for Shutdown-Printer be defined to be to perform non-process
run out (for continuous and cut sheet printers)?

29. ISSUE 7: On Shutdown-Printer with "when" = 'now', is the current
job automatically restarted when the Printer is restarted? Or does
some client have to issue a Restart-Job operation?

30. ISSUE 8: On Cancel-Current-Job, why isn't non-process-run-out
automatic on a continuous form printer? When would an operator want
to cancel the job and NOT run out the last sheets.? It would be
simpler to require process-run-out when canceling the current job
(for continuous and cut sheet printers).
31. ISSUE 10: For the Pause-Job operation, is the "non-process-run-
out" operation attribute really needed at all or can the default
behavior for Pause-Job be defined to be to perform non-process run
out (for continuous and cut sheet printers)?