Tom,
Sounds good! I'll wait for your new draft.
Ron
"Hastings, Tom N" wrote:
> Ron,
>
> We discussed your suggestion at the telecon today, and came up with the
> name:
>
> 'admin-define' short for "it can be administratively defined"
>
> Ok?
>
> That change is the only remaining issue for the "Job and Printer Set
> Operations" spec. So I'll update it and send it out. Its ready for IPP WG
> Last Call.
>
> We also agreed to put a Move-Job operation in the next draft of the Admin
> Set2 operations, rather than trying to get it into the "Job and Printer Set
> Operations" spec.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Bergman [mailto:rbergma@hitachi-hkis.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 18:05
> To: Hastings, Tom N
> Cc: ipp
> Subject: Re: IPP> OPS - Proposal to go back to precluding 'out-of-band'
> values withvalues
>
> Tom,
>
> I must have missed some of the emails, since I don't recall any serious
> problems with extending parsers to allow new out-of-band values to
> have a non-zero value. However, I don't see a strong need for the
> value to be present as proposed for 'any-value'. So, I have no
> objection to Yet Another Proposal (YAP). ;-)
>
> But why are you proposing the name change to 'custom'? This name
> could have implied meanings which are not appropriate. I much
> prefer keeping the name 'any-value'. An alternative name suggestion
> is 'admin-type', short for "it can be administratively defined."
>
> Again, I cannot attend the conference call tomorrow, due to meeting
> conflicts. Long time ago there were meeting minutes that summarized
> the decisions made in the conference calls. Now, the only minutes
> are deeply imbedded in new documents. Sure would be nice to see
> minutes again. I am sure that there are many who are unable to
> participate that would like to see the decisions made.
>
> Ron Bergman
> Hitachi Koki Imaging Solutions
>
> "Hastings, Tom N" wrote:
>
> > After hearing the problems with existing parsers on extending IPP to allow
> > new out-of-band values to have a non-zero value, it appears prudent to
> > abandon such an extension. Please send comments to the mailing list. We
> > will also discuss, tomorrow, Wednesday, 3/22, on the IPP telecon.
> >
> > Instead, lets replace the proposed 'any-value' out-of-band value which had
> > an attribute syntax value with a simpler 'custom' out-of-band value which
> > MUST have a zero length. The 'custom' out-of-band value (as with the
> > 'any-value') is used in a Get-Printer-Supported-Values response for as one
> > of the values of a requested "xxx-supported" attribute to indicate that
> the
> > System Administrator can set custom values using the
> > "Set-Printer-Attributes" operation.
> >
> > Here is the suggested updates to the "Job and Printer Set Operations"
> > document:
> >
> > 15.1 Changes to the March 8, 2000 version to make the March 21, 2000
> > version
> > The following changes have been made to the March 8, 2000 version to make
> > the March 21, 2000 version as a result of the IPP WG telecons and mailing
> > list discussion:
> > 1. Changed the name of the 'any-value' out-of-band value to 'custom'.
> > Removed the idea of encoding the attribute syntax that the 'custom'
> > out-of-band value goes with. Instead, the spec for the attribute defines
> > whether or not the 'custom' out-of-band value can be used.
> > 2. Clarified that the 'custom' out-of-band value can be used in
> > combination with other values of an "xxx-supported" Printer attribute.
> > 3. Clarified that an implementation is not prevented from supporting
> > some 'name' attribute values for "xxx-supported" out-of-the-box, if
> desired.
> > But these values would be returned in a Get-Printer-Supported-Values
> > response, such like keywords are.
> >
> >
> > 8.3 'custom' out-of-band attribute value
> > The 'custom' out-of-band attribute value MAY be used as one of the values
> of
> > an "xxx-supported" Printer attribute to indicate that the client can
> supply
> > custom values in a request. The client MUST supply any such values in the
> > particular attribute syntax explicitly defined for that attribute.
> > See section 4.3 in this document for an example definition of the usage of
> > the 'custom' out-of-band attribute value in any "xxx-supported" attribute
> > returned in a Get-Printer-Supported-Values response.
> >
> > 8.3.1 Encoding of the 'custom' out-of-band attribute value
> > The encoding of the 'custom' out-of-band attribute value is 0x17 (see
> > [ipp-pro]). The value-length MUST be 0 and the value empty.
> >
> > 1.1 Get-Printer-Supported-Values Operation
> > This OPTIONAL operation allows a client to request the values that the
> > Printer allows in the Set-Printer-Attributes operation for "xxx-supported"
> > attributes. If the Printer supports the Set-Printer-Attributes operation
> > AND some of its "xxx-supported" Printer attributes are settable, then the
> > Printer MUST also support this operation. This operation has identical
> > request/response attributes to the Get-Printer-Attributes operation in
> > IPP/1.1 [ipp-mod]. The operation also behaves identically to the
> > Get-Printer-Attributes operation in IPP/1.1 [ipp-mod] with the following
> > exceptions:
> > 1. The Get-Printer-Supported-Values operation supports only
> > "xxx-supported" attributes.
> > 2. The Get-Printer-Attributes operation returns the current value of
> > specified attributes while the Get-Printer-Supported-Values operation
> > returns values that permit a client to determine what values of
> > "xxx-supported" attributes the Printer supports in the
> > Set-Printer-Attributes operation.
> > 3. If an implementation does not support setting an attribute that is
> > requested, it MUST NOT return that attribute in the Printer Attributes
> Group
> > of the Get-Printer-Supported-Values response. Furthermore, in such a
> case,
> > as in the Get-Printer-Attributes response, the Unsupported Attributes
> Group
> > of the response NEED NOT contain the "requested-attributes" operation
> > attribute with any supplied values (attribute keywords) that were
> requested
> > by the client but are not supported or are not settable by the IPP
> Printer.
> > 4. The Get-Printer-Supported-Values operation does not return any
> > values for any "xxx-supported" attributes that were configured by the
> System
> > Administrator using the Set-Printer-Attributes operation. Instead, if the
> > Set-Printer-Attributes operation allows the System Administrator to
> > customize the Printer's "xxx-supported" attribute by adding arbitrary
> values
> > of a specified attribute syntax, then the Get-Printer-Supported-Values
> > operation MUST return the 'custom' out-of-band attribute value (see
> section
> > 8.3) as one of the values of the "xxx-supported" attribute. In other
> words,
> > the 'custom' out-of-band attribute value indicates that the Printer
> > implementation supports clients setting arbitrary values for that
> > "xxx-supported" attribute as long as the value is of the attribute syntax
> > defined for that attribute.
> > For example, if the Get-Printer-Supported-Values operation returns several
> > keywords as the value of the "media-supported" attribute, then the
> > Set-Printer-Attributes operation MUST accept any of these keywords as
> values
> > for the "media-supported" attribute. If the Get-Printer-Supported-Values
> > operation returns a 'custom' out-of-band attribute value as one of the
> > values of the "media-supported" attribute, then the Set-Printer-Attributes
> > operation MUST accept any value whose attribute syntax is 'name' as values
> > for the "media-supported" attribute.
> > The Get-Printer-Supported-Values MAY return the 'custom' out-of-band
> > attribute value for any IPP/1.1 or extension Job Template attribute if the
> > implementation supports allowing the System Administrator to add values to
> > the "xxx-supported" attribute using the Set-Printer-Attributes operation.
> > In this case, the Printer MUST accept any value of the correct attribute
> > syntax in a Set-Printer-Attributes operation that is setting that
> attribute.
> > For "xxx-supported" attributes that are defined with a choice of attribute
> > syntaxes, such as 'keyword | name', it is the 'name' attribute syntax that
> > the System Administrator can use to add new values, not the 'keyword'
> > attribute syntax. For IPP/1.1 this requirement includes the following Job
> > Template attributes:
> > media-supported
> > job-hold-until-supported
> > job-sheets-supported
> > For "xxx-supported" attributes that are defined to have only a single
> > attribute syntax, the 'custom' out-of-band value indicates that the
> Printer
> > will accept any value of that attribute syntax in a Set-Printer-Attributes
> > request for that "xxx-supported" attribute.
> > If the 'custom' out-of-band attribute value is not one of the values of an
> > "xxx-supported" attribute returned in a Get-Printer-Supported-Values
> > response, then the Printer MUST NOT allow the Set-Printer-Attributes
> > operation for that attribute to contain a value that is not one of the
> > explicit values returned in a Get-Printer-Supported-Values response.
> > See Appendix B for a full list of values returned by this operation.
> >
> > Send any comments to the mailing list.
> > Thanks,
> > Tom
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