IPP Mail Archive: Re: IPP> Fwd: RE: definitions for media

IPP Mail Archive: Re: IPP> Fwd: RE: definitions for media

Re: IPP> Fwd: RE: definitions for media

From: RonBergman@aol.com
Date: Thu Apr 19 2001 - 16:27:20 EDT

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    Harry,

    My change to "photographic-film" was only a suggestion since from the description it seems more accurate. I would like someone that knows to confirm or refute.

    I agree with your analysis of type and stock, but that was not what was previously agreed. But we could reopen the discussion.

         Ron

    In a message dated Thu, 19 Apr 2001 3:40:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Harry Lewis" <harryl@us.ibm.com> writes:

    << No, my point is the opposite. I never heard of "backprint-film".
    Therefore, unless I absolutely assure that it's purpose is identical to
    "photographic-film" I can't recommend a substitute.

    As for media type vs stock type... I think there is some blur there which
    I'm not ready to say I have a distinct recommendation how to handle it. I
    know only a smidgen about paper but I can easily see

    SIZE TYPE STOCK

    Letter Bond Bond
    Letter Kraft Kraft
    Letter Fabric #10 Woven
    Letter Transp Polypropylene
    Letter Transp Cellophane

    (the later examples reveal my vast lack of textiles and plastics knowledge
    but I think it makes the point)

    So I can imagine examples where type and stock are the same and where type
    and stock are different. I don't like the idea of "you can call Bond a
    type because it's a stock"... I think this will happen. There are
    occasions where I would support the opposite argument (Transp is a Type
    but not a Stock).
    ----------------------------------------------
    Harry Lewis
    IBM Printing Systems
    ----------------------------------------------

    RonBergman@aol.com
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    04/19/2001 01:07 PM

     
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    Harry,

    I gather that you are familar with the term "backprint-film". I have
    never heard this before, but I do know "photographic-film". If this is
    not the same, I will keep the first.

    I had proposed the addition of "bond" as a media type and the agreement
    from the group was that this is properly a stock type. Although we
    presently have several stock types in our media types due to legacy usage,
    we did not want to compound this mistake. "Fabric" seems to also be a
    stock type, but if there is consensus to the contrary, I will add it as a
    media type.

       Ron

    In a message dated Thu, 19 Apr 2001 1:20:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
    "Harry Lewis" <harryl@us.ibm.com> writes:

    << If someone in the industry uses a term "backprint-film", I'm not sure
    it's
    wise for us to modify this to "photographic-film".

    I'm not sure I follow the comment that fabric is a stock therefore not a
    media-type. All media types are derived from some stock... no?

    For example, what is the distinction between media type "transparency" and

    it's "stock" (velum?)?
    ----------------------------------------------
    Harry Lewis
    IBM Printing Systems
    ----------------------------------------------

    RonBergman@aol.com
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    04/19/2001 10:57 AM

     
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    Any comments?

         Ron Bergman
         Hitachi Koki Imaging Solutions

    ----- Message from "Bergman, Ron" <Ron.Bergman@Hitachi-hkis.com> on Thu,
    19 Apr 2001 08:54:59 -0700 -----
    To:
    "'iwauchi.nobuyuki@canon.co.jp'" <iwauchi.nobuyuki@canon.co.jp>
    cc:
    hastings@cp10.es.xerox.com, "'RonBergman@aol.com'" <RonBergman@aol.com>
    Subject:
    RE: definitions for media
    Nobuyuki-san,

    Sorry for the delayed response. See my comments below. I will
    have the two items indicated in the next version
    =================================================================
    Media type :

       'backprint-film' - Separately cut sheets of a translucence film that
                          can be viewed with or without rear illumination.

    RB>> I suggest "photographic-film". Unless you object, I will add
    RB>> with the new name.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------
    Media coating :

       'high-gloss-film' - the media have a "high-glossy-film" coating.
       (The reason I'd like to add is in the questions(Q2)...)

    RB>> We have a "high-gloss" now, why is this not acceptable?
    RB>> "high-gloss" can be used with either "photographic" or
    RB>> "photographic-film"

       'coated' - the media which are easy for a ink to fix

    RB>> "ink to fix"? Is it broken? May I suggest "Indicates the media
    RB>> has a coating that minimizes the spread of liquid inks."

       'fabric' - the media which made by weaving or felting or knitting or
                  crocheting natural or synthetic fibers

    RB>> "fabric" is a "media stock" rather than a "media type".
    RB>> (We will most likely add "media stock" next.)
    =================================================================

    -----Original Message-----
    From: iwauchi.nobuyuki@canon.co.jp [mailto:iwauchi.nobuyuki@canon.co.jp]
    Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 1:00 AM
    To: Ron.Bergman@Hitachi-hkis.com
    Cc: hastings@cp10.es.xerox.com
    Subject: definitions for media

    Hello Ron-san and Tom-san,

    This time, I send a E-mail to Ron-san and Tom-san.
    Because IPP members seem not to be interested in Media Names Spec
    Discussion and I don't know whether this mail is useful for members.

    But, I hope we will find a best way about the medias.

    # If the following contents is useful, please transmit it to IPP ML.

    Ron.Bergman@Hitachi-hkis.com wrote:
    > Can you provide definitions for those items that you would
    > like added? I will then send to the group for comments.

    The following are the definitions for these item that I'd like to add.

    =================================================================
    High Gloss(Photo )Film :
     High-quality, high-gloss photo film to make your documents really
     shine. This is not a paper, but a film.
    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    Photo Paper Pro :
     A high-gloss, heavy-weight Photo Paper produces truly remarkable,
     high-quality photo prints that are virtually indistinguishable from
     professional-lab results. This item has a media with tab-stock
     ( Related : a question 1 (Q1) I wrote before ).
    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    High Resolution Paper :
     A Paper that Designed to produce near-photographic quality print
     output - sharp and vivid graphics, images and photographs.
     It's a type of coated papers.
    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    Back Print Film :
     This film produces sharp and vivid color output such as photographic
     images and graphics. Images printed on Back Print Film can be viewed
     with or without rear illumination.
    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    Fabric Sheets :
     A sheet that you can print an images or photographs directly onto
     white cotton fabric. Create your own designs for cross stitch and
     needlework, or give new life to home decor by making your own pillows
     and lamp shades.
    =================================================================

    And the following are the definitions for these media that I'd like to
    add.

    =================================================================
    Media type :

       'backprint-film' - Separately cut sheets of a translucence film that
                          can be viewed with or without rear illumination.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------
    Media coating :

       'high-gloss-film' - the media have a "high-glossy-film" coating.
       (The reason I'd like to add is in the questions(Q2)...)

       'coated' - the media which are easy for a ink to fix

       'fabric' - the media which made by weaving or felting or knitting or
                  crocheting natural or synthetic fibers
    =================================================================

    Regard,

    ---------------------------------------
       Canon Inc. Tamagawa Office
       i Printer Development Center
       i Printer Design Dept.75

       Nobuyuki Iwauchi
         E-Mail: iwauchi@bpd.canon.co.jp
         phone : +81-44-844-2111
    ---------------------------------------

    iwauchi@cbj.canon.co.jp wrote:
    >> I have some questions about the following cases:
    >>
    >> Q1: If a sheet is Photo Papar with tabs, what's a Media Type name
    >> (MEDIA_PHOTOGRAPHIC_LABEL or photographic or tab-stock) ?
    >>
    >> Q2: If a sheet is Photo Paper of a high gloss film, what's a Media Type
    Name
    >> (MEDIA_HIGH_GLOSS_FILM or photographic) ?
    >>
    >> I think it's better to add "high-gloss-film" to Media Coating
    Attribute
    >> (like a
    >> "glossy","high-glossy" etc. ), because "high-gloss-film" represent a
    >> coating.
    >> If so, I could specify a Media Type("Photogpaphic") and Media coating
    >> ("high-gloss-film") in the Q2 case.
    >>
    >> I'd like to add the following media types(*) and media coating (**) to
    >> existing
    >> list.
    >>
    >> ==================================================================
    >> Canon Media | media type | media coating
    >> ==================================================================
    >> High Gloss(Photo )Film | Photographic | high-gloss-film (**)
    >> ------------------------------------------------------------------
    >> Photo Paper Pro | Photographic | high-gloss
    >> ------------------------------------------------------------------
    >> High Resolution Paper | stationery(?) | coated (**)
    >> ------------------------------------------------------------------
    >> Back Print Film | BackPrintFilm(*) | none
    >> ------------------------------------------------------------------
    >> Fabric Sheets | stationery(?) | fabric (**)
    >> ==================================================================

    >>

    >>



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