IPP Mail Archive: IPP> Media Types for Media Std

IPP Mail Archive: IPP> Media Types for Media Std

IPP> Media Types for Media Std

From: GRANT,MELINDA (HP-Vancouver,ex1) (melinda_grant@hp.com)
Date: Tue May 15 2001 - 20:28:29 EDT

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    I won't be able to participate in the dial-in conversation.

    Regarding the IBM proposal for additional types,

    I agree that a manufacturer providing a driver intended to work only with
    one particular printer may want to include a list of very specific print
    media names, so that it's clear to the end user exactly which media will
    work or provide the best results; I don't think a "standardized" type list
    provides much value in this context. The developers of the printer firmware
    and the driver software can agree on a name, and the solution works just
    fine.

    But where one print application or driver needs to interoperate with many
    different printers from many different manufacturers, or where the end-user
    is mobile and never sees the package the media came in, a standard list of
    types that are generally descriptive is valuable.

    In my opinion, the standard type string should do two things:
            1. It should enable the printer to produce better output on a
    particular class of medium when that medium is used. (Eg, when I use some
    glossy photo paper and I tell the printer I'm using "photo-glossy", I should
    get better results in some way.)
            2. It should enable the end-user to tell the printer which medium
    to select or expect. This requires that the end-user is able to create an
    intuitive mapping from the medium she wants to print on to the standard
    media type name. (Eg, I know this is photo paper and it's glossy, so
    "photo-glossy" sounds like the closest thing on the list... Or, my package
    says "Hammermill JetPRINT Photo, Gloss Finish", so "photo-glossy" sounds
    like a fit.)

    As Mark pointed out, this second objective is compromised by the number of
    "levels" of gloss we have currently identified, so I'd like to see us reduce
    those to just glossy, satin, and matte; or if necessary, high-gloss,
    medium-gloss, low-gloss, matte.

    To pursue the photo example a bit, if we take the "be very specific"
    approach, I would want to add:
            HP Premium Photo Paper, Glossy
            HP Premium Plus Photo Paper, Glossy
            HP Premium Plus Photo Paper, Matte
            HP Photo Paper
            HP Photo Quality Inkjet Paper, Matte Finish
            HP Photo Quality Inkjet Paper, Semi-Gloss Finish
    for starters. Is there a duplicate in this list with Mark's
    "MEDIA_HP_PHOTOGRAPHIC_PAPER"? I don't know.

    In fact, "standardizing" every name every manufacturer might want to use
    only gives us a huge list and reduces the chances of intersection and
    therefore interoperability.

    I'd rather see us converge on a relatively small list of types we can
    clearly explain the differences between, rather than an exhaustive list of
    names. (In a UPnP-like environment, the vendor can always extend the list
    of media types supported to include their favorite specific names, which the
    CP can then turn around and offer to the end-user for selection. So an HP
    printer might offer support for "HP Premium Plus Photo Paper, Glossy" and an
    Epson printer might offer "Epson Premium Glossy Photo Paper", but they would
    both offer "photographic-glossy".)

    Thanks,

    Melinda

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Hastings, Tom N [mailto:hastings@CP10.ES.XEROX.COM]
    Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 11:36 AM
    To: IMAGING@FORUM.UPNP.ORG
    Subject: Telecon, Wed, May 16, 10-12 PDT (1-3 EDT): Media Types for
    Media Std

    Here is the dial-in information:

    Time: May 16, 2001 10:00 - 12:00 PST (1:00 - 3:00 EST)
    Phone: 1-712-271-0309 (8*534-8273 for Xerox folks)
    Passcode: 98099#

    We've reached a proposed consensus on the Media Size syntax. Silence on the
    mailing lists will be interpreted as agreement. Remaining action items from
    the Portland meeting are:

    Media Types - IBM proposed a list of more types (see below).

    Tom Hastings was going to check at Office Depot and Staples to see what
    types are sold there.
    So far research has shown that photographic-xxx is one sided. HP has
    several two-sided glossy and matte as well for brochures and flyers (not
    photographs). (I'll firm that up this afternoon).

    Also the following people volunteered to check for missing sizes:

    Melinda Grant: check PCL sizes
    Don Wright: check Microsoft sizes
    Tom Hastings: check PPD sizes

    Ron (and Don) will not be able to join us for the telecon. I'll take notes.
    We intend this to be the last telecon on the Media Standardized Name
    standard, so we can publish what we have. There will be a registration
    procedure, so if items are missed, they can be registered.

    Two weeks from tomorrow (Wed, May 30), the 10-12 PDT telecon will be for IPP
    FAX (more details and documents later).

    IBM Media Type proposal from IBM:

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Mark VanderWiele [mailto:markv@us.ibm.com]
    Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 15:59
    To: Hastings, Tom N
    Cc: Harry Lewis; don@lexmark.com; rbergma@hitachi-hkis.com;
    hastings@cp10.es.xerox.com; shivaun_albright@hp.com
    Subject: RE: Media List

    Tom: First, yes the below list of media names need to somehow be
    represented in the media name spec. This list was generated by a search
    of media names which were use in printer drivers over the last 10 years
    from a variety of printer manufactures. The names were originally provided
    by the various printer manufactures to match medias that could be used with
    the device. Since these name are used in existing drivers and in many
    cases match the documentation that came with the printer or the actual
    packaging on the media it would be best to add them with short discriptions
    than elimanate them.

    If a user buys HP PREMIUM PHOTO PAPER will they know to select GLOSSY,HIGH
    GLOSS, SATIN, OR SEMIGLOSS. We have found it is best to have the common
    names.

     * MEDIA_NONE */ "None" realy means media default,
    /* MEDIA_PLAIN */ "Plain - standard white multi-purpose
    paper",

    /* MEDIA_GLOSSY */ "Media that has Glossy coating",
    /* MEDIA_SPECIAL */ "Special coated paper",
    /* MEDIA_COATED */ "Standard Coated paper",
    /* MEDIA_BACKPRINT */ "Transparent inside Window stickers -
    prints backwards"
    /* MEDIA_CLOTH */ "Used to print on Fabric",
    /* MEDIA_THICK */ "Media slighty thiker and stiffer than
    standard plain multi-purpose paper",
    /* MEDIA_HIGH_GLOSS_FILM */ "High Gloss Film",
    /* MEDIA_HIGH_RESOLUTION */ "High Resolution",
    /* MEDIA_SPECIAL_360 */ "Special 360 used for 360 resolution
    printing",
    /* MEDIA_SPECIAL_720 */ "Special 720 used for 720 resolution
    printing",
    /* MEDIA_PLAIN_ENHANCED */ "Plain Enhanced",
    /* MEDIA_IRON_ON */ "Iron-on - Media used for heat transfer
    to fabric",
    /* MEDIA_LABECA */ "Labeca",
    /* MEDIA_THERMAL */ "Thermal paper",
    /* MEDIA_CD_MASTER */ "CD-master", CD or CD label
    /* MEDIA_CARDBOARD */ "Cardboard",
    /* MEDIA_POSTCARD */ "Postcard",
    /* MEDIA_PHOTOGRAPHIC_PAPER */ "Photographic Paper",
    /* MEDIA_PHOTOGRAPHIC_LABEL */ "Photographic Label",
    /* MEDIA_PREMIUM_PAPER */ "Premium Paper",
    /* MEDIA_HP_PHOTOGRAPHIC_PAPER */ "HP Photographic Paper",
    /* MEDIA_PREPRINTED */ "Preprinted"
    /* MEDIA_LETTERHEAD */ "Letterhead"
    /* MEDIA_PREPUNCHED */ "Prepunched"
    /* MEDIA_BOND */ "Bond"
    /* MEDIA_RECYCLED */ "Recycled"
    /* MEDIA_ROUGH */ "Rough"
    /* MEDIA_VELLUM */ "Vellum"
    /* MEDIA_HEAVY */ "Heavy"
    /* MEDIA_DRILLED */ "Drilled"
    /* MEDIA_THICK_PAPER */ "Thick Paper"
    /* MEDIA_PREMIUM_HEAVYWEIGHT */ "Premium InkJet Heavyweight"
    /* MEDIA_PREMIUM_TRANSPARENCY */ "Premium Transparency"
    /* MEDIA_PREMIUM_PHOTO */ "Premium Photo"
    /* MEDIA_BROCHURE_GLOSSY */ "Brochure Glossy"
    /* MEDIA_BROCHURE_MATTE */ "Brochure Matte"
    /* MEDIA_THIN_PAPER */ "Thin Paper"
    /* MEDIA_TOUGH */ "Tough"
    /* MEDIA_SOFT_GLOSS_PAPER */ "Soft gloss paper"

    Regards,
    Mark VanderWiele
    IBM, Linux Technology Center
    512-838-4779, t/l 678
    MARKV@IBMUS
    email: markv@us.ibm.com

    For comparison, the Draft 8 text, May 7, 2001, has the following description
    for the Media Type Names:

    Media Type Names
    The standardized Media Type Names are defined in Table 1. The base set of
    these names is derived from the Printer MIB [PRT-MIB] and "Media Features
    for Display, Print, and Fax" [FEATURES] documents. Additional values MAY be
    registered according to both [TAG-REG] and [IPP-MOD].
    The Ref column indicates the source document(s) for the name.
                    1 = The Printer MIB [PRT-MIB].
                    3 = Media Features for Display, Print, and Fax [FEATURES].
                    5 = IPP Production Printing Attributes [IPP-PROD] The
    name in this document is derived from the "media-front-coating" and
    "media-back-coating" member attributes by adding the 'photographic-' prefix
    to the IPP keyword values.

    Table 1 - Standardized Media Type Names
    Keyword
    Description
    Ref.
    stationery
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material
    1, 3
    stationery-coated
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material with a coating of unspecified
    type

    stationery-inkjet
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material whose coating is designed to
    minimize the spread of liquid inks

    transparency
    Separately cut sheets of a transparent material
    1, 3
    envelope
    Envelopes that can be used for conventional mailing purposes
    1, 3
    envelope-plain
    Envelopes that are not preprinted and have no windows
    1, 3
    envelope-window
    Envelopes that have windows for addressing purposes
    1
    continuous
    Continuously connected sheets of an opaque material - which edge is
    connected is not specified
    3
    continuous-long
    Continuously connected sheets of an opaque material connected along the long
    edge
    1
    continuous-short
    Continuously connected sheets of an opaque material connected along the
    short edge
    1
    tab-stock
    Media with tabs [either pre-cut or full-cut]
    1
    pre-cut-tabs
    Media with tabs that are cut so that more than one tab is visible extending
    out beyond the edge of non-tabbed media in an Output-Document.

    full-cut-tabs
    Media with a tab that runs the full length of the sheet so that only one
    tab is visible extending out beyond the edge of non-tabbed media in an
    Output-Document.

    multi-part-form
    Form medium composed of multiple layers not pre-attached to one another;
    each sheet may be drawn separately from an input source
    1
    labels
    Label stock [For example, a sheet of peel-off labels].
    1
    multi-layer
    Form medium composed of multiple layers which are pre-attached to one
    another; e.g., for use with impact printers.
    1
    screen
    A refreshable display
    3
    screen-paged
    A refreshable display which cannot scroll
    3
    photographic
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material to produce photographic quality
    images. The coating is unspecified.

    photographic-glossy
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material that has a "glossy" coating to
    produce photographic quality images.
    5
    photographic-high-gloss
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material that has a "high-gloss" coating
    to produce photographic quality images.
    5
    photographic-semi-gloss
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material that has a "semi-gloss" coating
    to produce photographic quality images.
    5
    photographic-satin
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material that has a "satin" coating to
    produce photographic quality images.
    5
    photographic-matte
    Separately cut sheets of an opaque material that has a "matte" coating to
    produce photographic quality images.
    5
    photographic-film
    Separately cut sheets of film used to produce photographic quality images.

    back-print-film
    Separately cut sheet of a translucent film that the user can view with or
    without backlighting.

    cardstock
    Separately cut sheets of a heavier or stiffer opaque material than
    stationery

    roll
    A continuous roll of media with no predefined page separation points.



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