IPP Mail Archive: IPP> RE: More Media Sizes

IPP Mail Archive: IPP> RE: More Media Sizes

IPP> RE: More Media Sizes

From: Bergman, Ron (Ron.Bergman@Hitachi-hkis.com)
Date: Wed Jun 06 2001 - 11:21:04 EDT

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    I have completed my analysis of the media sizes submitted by
    Harry. (Promised many moons ago!) In summary, I am proposing
    to add three new sizes to the Media Sizes Spec and three new
    Alias Names to existing sizes. Unless there are objections,
    these additions will be in the next draft.

    My analysis entry is preceded by "-- ". The last line of
    each entry defines the action I will take unless an objection
    is voiced.

    For those entries that end with a question, a sponsor will be
    required to be included in the spec.

    Form Name: mm/100

    HALF_LETTER 13969 21597
    -- Translates to 5.4996 x 8.503 inches (very close to 5.5 x 8.5)
    -- This size is presently called invoice, statement, mini.
    -- Propose to add "half-letter" to the list.

    TABLOID 27940 43180
    -- Translates to 11 x 17 inches (exact)
    -- This size is presently called ledger, b, and engineering-b.
    -- Propose to add "tabloid" to the list.

    UNIVERSAL 29704 43180
    -- Translates to 11.694 x 17 inches (17 is exact)
    -- Closest inch size is 11 x 17 (next is 12 x 18)
    -- Closest metric size is 297 x 420 (a3)
    -- This could be an "a3-plus" new entry?

    WIDE 34500 27940
    -- Translates to 13.583 x 11 inches (11 is exact)
    -- Closest inch size is 11 x 14 (edp)
    -- Closest metric sizes are 250 x 353 (iso-b4);
    -- 257 x 364 (jis-b4); 270 x 390 (roc_8k);
    -- 267 x 389 (pa-kai)
    -- Should this be a new size or custom?

    LETTER_WIDE 22840 33780
    -- Translates to 8.992 x 13.299 inches
    -- Closest inch size is 9 x 12.
    -- Closest metric sizes are 235.5 x 322.3 (a4-extra);
    -- 229 x 324 (c3); 240 x 332 (jpn-kaku2)
    -- Should this be a new size or custom?

    A3_WIDE 33020 48260
    -- A3 is 297 x 420 mm
    -- Should this be a new size or custom?

    A4_WIDE 22350 35560
    -- A4 is 210 x 297 mm
    -- Should this be a new size or custom?

    12_X_19 30480 48260
    -- Translates to 12 x 19 inches
    -- Closest inch size is 12 x 119.17 (b-plus).
    -- Propose to add "na_12x19_12x19in" to the list.

    15_X_11 38100 27940
    -- Translates to 15 x 11 inches
    -- Name in spec is 11x15.
    -- Propose no change.

    8_X_10_CARD 20320 25400
    -- Translates to 8 x 10 inches
    -- Name in spec is na-8x10 and government-letter.
    -- Propose no change.

    A6_CARD 10498 14809
    -- A6 is 105 x 148 mm
    -- Should this be a new size or custom?
    -- Will anyone ever notice the difference?

    CARD_148 14800 10500 Card 148
    -- A6 is 105 x 148 mm
    -- Propose no change.

    POSTCARD 9697 14703
    -- hagaki (Japanese postcard) is 100 x 148 mm
    -- Translates to 3.818 x 5.789 inches
    -- Should this be a new size or custom?

    D5_ENVELOPE 17600 25000
    -- B5 is 176 x 250 mm
    -- This looks like it should be B5_ENVELOPE.
    -- Propose no change.

    ENVELOPE_6_1_2 16510 22000 6 1/2" Envelope
    -- Translates to 6.5 x 8.661 inches
    -- Closest inch size is 6.5 x 9.5.
    -- Should this be a new size or custom?

    ENVELOPE_132_220 13200 9207
    -- Translates to 5.197 x 3.625 inches
    -- Closest inch size is 3.625 x 6.5.
    -- Should this be a new size or custom?

    DISK_LABELS 5400 7000
    -- Closest metric size is 52 x 74 mm.
    -- Should this be a new size or custom?
    -- Would these labels be many to a sheet?

    EURO_LABELS 3600 8900
    -- Should this be a new size or custom?
    -- Would these labels be many to a sheet?

    SHIPPING_LABELS 5400 10100
    -- Should this be a new size or custom?
    -- Would these labels be many to a sheet?

    STANDARD_LABELS 2800 8900
    -- Should this be a new size or custom?
    -- Would these labels be many to a sheet?

    GERMAN_LEGAL_FANFOLD 21590 33020
    -- Translates to 8.5 x 13 inches
    -- Identical to foolscap.
    -- Propose to add "german-legal-fanfold" as an Alias.

    PANORAMIC 21000 59400 Panoramic 210x594 mm
    -- Should this be a new size or custom?

    PHOTO_4_6 10160 15240 Photo Paper 4x6 in
    -- Translates to 4 x 6 inches
    -- Identical to index-4x6.
    -- Propose no change.

    PHOTO_100_150 10000 15000 Photo Paper 100x150 mm
    -- Closest size is 100 x 148 mm, hagaki (Japanese postcard).
    -- Propose to add "om_small-photo_100x150mm".

    PHOTO_200_300 20000 30000 Photo Paper 200x300 mm
    -- Propose to add "om_large-photo_200x300mm".

    SUPER_A3_B 32892 48302 Super A3/B
    -- iso-a3-extra is 322 x 445 mm.
    -- Translates to 12.95 x 19.017 inches
    -- Super-b is 13 x 19 inches.
    -- Should this be a new size or custom?

    Also, we have encountered multiple definitions or different definitions
    from the current table for:

    -- Note: Second size pair is what is now included in the spec.

    FOLIO 21590 33020 vs 21000 33000
    -- First entry translates to 8.5 x 13 inches
    -- Identical to foolscap.
    -- Propose no change.

    C7_ENVELOPE 9840 19050 vs 8100 11400
    -- First entry translates to 3.874 x 7.5 inches
    -- Almost identical to monarch-envelope. (3.875 x 7.5)
    -- Propose no change.

    C9_ENVELOPE 9840 22540 vs 4000 5700
    -- First entry translates to 3.874 x 8.874 inches
    -- Almost identical to number-9-envelope. (3.875 x 8.875)
    -- Propose no change.

    C10_ENVELOPE 10470 24130 vs 2800 4000
    -- First entry translates to 4.122 x 9.5 inches
    -- Almost identical to number-10-envelope. (4.125 x 9. 5)
    -- Propose no change.

    FOOLSCAP 20320 33020 vs 21590 33020
    -- First entry translates to 8 x 13 inches
    -- This is identical to government-legal.
    -- Propose no change.

    FOOLSCAP_WIDE 21590 33020
    -- This is identical to our foolscap entry.
    -- Propose no change.

            Ron Bergman
            Hitachi Koki Imaging Solutions

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Harry Lewis [mailto:harryl@us.ibm.com]
    Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 3:42 PM
    To: rbergma@hitachi-hkis.com; ipp@pwg.org; hastings@cp10.es.xerox.com
    Subject: More Media Sizes

    Here are some additional forms which we have encountered in our driver
    development but which are not in our current list (I don't think).

    Form Name: mm/100

    HALF_LETTER 13969 21597
    TABLOID 27940 43180
    UNIVERSAL 29704 43180
    WIDE 34500 27940
    LETTER_WIDE 22840 33780
    A3_WIDE 33020 48260
    A4_WIDE 22350 35560
    12_X_19 30480 48260
    15_X_11 38100 27940
    8_X_10_CARD 20320 25400
    A6_CARD 10498 14809
    CARD_148 14800 10500 Card 148
    POSTCARD 9697 14703
    D5_ENVELOPE 17600 25000
    ENVELOPE_6_1_2 16510 22000 6 1/2" Envelope
    ENVELOPE_132_220 13200 9207
    DISK_LABELS 5400 7000
    EURO_LABELS 3600 8900
    SHIPPING_LABELS 5400 10100
    STANDARD_LABELS 2800 8900
    GERMAN_LEGAL_FANFOLD 21590 33020
    PANORAMIC 21000 59400 Panoramic 210x594 mm
    PHOTO_4_6 10160 15240 Photo Paper 4x6 in
    PHOTO_100_150 10000 15000 Photo Paper 100x150 mm
    PHOTO_200_300 20000 30000 Photo Paper 200x300 mm
    SUPER_A3_B 32892 48302 Super A3/B

    Also, we have encountered multiple definitions or different definitions
    from the current table for:

    FOLIO 21590 33020 vs 21000 33000
    C7_ENVELOPE 9840 19050 vs 8100 11400
    C9_ENVELOPE 9840 22540 vs 4000 5700
    C10_ENVELOPE 10470 24130 vs 2800 4000
    FOOLSCAP 20320 33020 vs 21590 33020
    FOOLSCAP_WIDE 21590 33020

    We're willing to go with the industry concensus but feel the discrepancy
    should be resolved.
    ----------------------------------------------
    Harry Lewis
    IBM Printing Systems
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