JMP Mail Archive: Re: JMP> HELD vs NEEDS-ATTENTION

Re: JMP> HELD vs NEEDS-ATTENTION

Tom Hastings (hastings@cp10.es.xerox.com)
Tue, 27 May 1997 14:18:18 PDT

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>To: harryl@us.ibm.com
>Subject: Re: JMP> HELD vs NEEDS-ATTENTION
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>You raise a good point, Harry. I think we really want the user
>to be able to distinguish between jobs not printing due to problems
>vs. administrative "hold" (no matter who put the job on hold).
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>One definition we'll have to nail down is NEEDS-ATTENTION. Does
>that term imply device-only problems, or any kind of problem that
>keeps the job from printing (other than HELD)?
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>Given your statements, I'd vote for having NEEDS-ATTENTION imply
>_any_ kind of problem, and not just device-related problems.

This confusion as to what "NEEDS-ATTENTION" might mean is why IPP
change the name from needs-attention to printer-stopped and changed
it from a job state to a job-state-reason, since the printer can stop
whether you are the current job or just one of the hapless waiting
in the pending state.

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>Similarly, I'd suggest that HELD implies an administratively-set
>condition only.

In the updated IPP and JMP, we don't have a held state, but several of
the job-state-reasons indicate that the job can't be run and usually
because the user or the administrator took some action or specified some
resource that isn't ready.

Ok?

Tom

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>Quick comments/votes by the others? (Tick, tick, tick...)
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> ...jay
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>>From jmp-owner@pwg.org Thu May 22 19:41 EDT 1997
>From: Harry Lewis <harryl@us.ibm.com>
>To: <jmp@pwg.org>
>Subject: JMP> HELD vs NEEDS-ATTENTION
>Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 19:42:38 -0400
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>Some of the job state reasons for HELD seem like they would fit better as
>reasons for NEEDS-ATTENTION. For example:
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> requiredResourcesNotReady 0x20
> The job is in the held state because at least one of the
> resources needed by the job, such as media, fonts, resource
> objects, etc., is not ready on any of the physical devices
> for which the job is a candidate.
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> serviceOffLine 0x400000
> The service/document transform is off-line and accepting no
> jobs. All pending jobs are put into the held state. This
> could be true if its input is impaired or broken.
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>These reasons seem categorically different than "Someone put this
>job on Hold 'till midnight".
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>I guess it is fairly clear that state NeedsAttention should pertain to
>actual DEVICE failures, but 0x400000, above, sounds like it could
>be just that to me.
>
>Harry Lewis - IBM Printing Systems
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