PMP Mail Archive: PMP> Re: PWG> Interop Testing

PMP Mail Archive: PMP> Re: PWG> Interop Testing

PMP> Re: PWG> Interop Testing

Chris Wellens (
Sat, 28 Dec 1996 13:49:26 -0800 (PST)

Hi Harry,

I completely agree with you that we should endeavor to achieve
the goal of performing the interoperability testing at the
lowest possible cost.

No one is mandating that anyone pay anything. In order to
use a facility with an operational network, support staff,
tables, chairs, phones, security, etc. usually a fee is
charged. If one of the vendors could host it at their
facility or you know of a facility that would host it at
no charge to the participants, that would be fantastic!

The prices that have been discussed so far only
cover Stardust's charges for facility use, and do not
cover any of the other items you listed.

I will republish the first draft of the test plan, but
it will not be that useful, because we still don't
know what we are testing; we have two specs, not one,
and we lack a clear statement as to the differences.

I think the six items you listed that you would like
to see derived from the test event are fine. Do you
want to create an RFP and solicit some bids for
fulfilling these requirements? Or, ask members of the
Printer MIB Working Group if they would be willing to
contribute/donate some of the items?

On Tue, 24 Dec 1996, Harry Lewis <harryl@VNET.IBM.COM> wrote:

> Without indenting and repeating the entire thread... I find the comments
> about fee structure and attendance for the interop test very interesting. I
> think interop testing is a necessary part of forging the standard. Even our
> first, ad-hoc, test moved us closer to center. And I think our 2nd test needs
> better planning, coordination and administration to yield more useful results.
> But... what I find interesting about the current debate is that, for the first
> time in the PWG, we are imposing fees and distinguishing between members. In
> the past, we have always kept our costs to a minimum and shared them evenly.
> For the upcoming test, the perception is that printer mfgrs will benefit
> more than "kibitzers" (mostly software, NIC and related solutions providers).
> With (at least) 6 printer vendor implementations and more than one software
> solution already demonstrated, I would hope it's not the IETF who's mandating
> a price tag for proof of interoperability in order to advance the Printer
> MIB! To help settle the debates (and justify the cost) can we get a clearer
> understanding of the benefits? For instance, here's what I hope to see
> derived from the test:
> 1. A controlled and thorough test of all printer MIB variables including
> dynamics associated with status, configuration, console and alerts.
> 2. A test for SNMP compliance.
> 3. An overview comparing each vendor's implementation.
> 4. A report to each vendor who payed significantly greater fees
> (if this be the case) comparing their product in more detail
> with prioritized, recommendations.
> 5. Confidentiality among PWG members *who attended* (including "kibitzers)
> "Pass/fail" specifics not discussed on reflector except in general terms.
> 6. Press - not regarding details - but highlighting the fact that the
> PWG and/or Printer MIB has engaged in a "2nd stage" of interoperability
> testing... designed to make the Printer MIB a more useful and reliable
> standard.
> I think 1,2 and 3 are what we all expect. However, without something
> like 4, it's hard to justify some footing a larger bill than others. 5
> is necessary to prevent participants from "shying away". Yet, an event
> such as this really should not go unnoticed (6)!
> Maybe I've missed reading the actual test plan. If it's posted, could I
> please have a reminder of where? If it's still in development, I'd like
> to hear other's comments about what we have in mind for the test.