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PS> RE: LDAP Printer Schema - lost in the woods?

From: McDonald, Ira (imcdonald@sharplabs.com)
Date: Tue Jan 07 2003 - 18:38:51 EST

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    Hi folks,

    OK - our concensus is that Pat Fleming and I should work with
    Tom Hastings and convert the latest IETF Internet-Draft of
    the IETF Informative LDAP Printer Schema (not IETF 'standards
    track') to an IEEE/ISTO PWG draft of a PWG Proposed Standard
    LDAP Printer Schema (PWG 'standards track').

    As we discussed during our weekly PWG PSI telecon this morning,
    PSI needs to eventually make NORMATIVE references to both the
    IANA-registered SLP Printer Template v2.0 and our semantically
    equivalent LDAP Printer Schema for service discovery.

    Cheers,
    - Ira McDonald, co-editor of LDAP Printer Schema
      High North Inc

    PS - I've copied the open PWG PSI list, since we've reached
    concensus among the document editors and IETF IPP (Carl-Uno
    Manros) and IEEE/ISTO PWG (Harry Lewis) officers.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Harry Lewis [mailto:harryl@us.ibm.com]
    Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:27 AM
    To: Pat Fleming
    Cc: 'carl@manros.com'; 'Hastings, Tom N'; McDonald, Ira
    Subject: RE: LDAP Printer Schema - lost in the woods?

    Sorry I'm still catching up from the holiday. I agree... let's quit dragging
    out feet with the IETF. Unfortunate... but reality.
    ----------------------------------------------
    Harry Lewis
    IBM Printing Systems
    ----------------------------------------------

    Pat Fleming
    01/02/2003 09:19 AM
            To: "McDonald, Ira" <imcdonald@sharplabs.com>
            cc: "'carl@manros.com'" <carl@manros.com>, Harry
    Lewis/Boulder/IBM@IBMUS, "'Hastings, Tom N'" <hastings@cp10.es.xerox.com>,
    "McDonald, Ira" <imcdonald@sharplabs.com>
            From: Pat Fleming/Rochester/IBM@IBMUS
            Subject: RE: LDAP Printer Schema - lost in the woods?Link
      

    Ira,
    I'm ok with your suggestion.

    Pat Fleming, STSM, WebSphere Architecture, Directory and Web Services,
    Websphere Technology CEM for iSeries
    Phone: 507-253-7583 (T/L 553-7583) Dept 45E/Bldg 015-2 / F111
    flemingp@us.ibm.com

    "McDonald, Ira" <imcdonald@sharplabs.com>
    01/01/2003 01:27 PM
            
            To: "'carl@manros.com'" <carl@manros.com>, "McDonald, Ira"
    <imcdonald@sharplabs.com>
            cc: Pat Fleming/Rochester/IBM@IBMUS, "'Hastings, Tom N'"
    <hastings@cp10.es.xerox.com>, Harry Lewis/Boulder/IBM@IBMUS
            Subject: RE: LDAP Printer Schema - lost in the woods?

    Hi Carl-Uno,

    Thanks - your suggestion (some future Informational RFC that points
    to the IEEE/ISTO PWG 510x.y standard LDAP Printer Schema) makes
    perfect sense to me.

    Harry and Pat - comments? opinions?

    I suggest that Pat and I publish one FINAL I-D version (to replace the
    existing one at ftp.ietf.org), with an empty body and an Abstract that
    says (something like):

    "Work on this LDAP Printer Schema has been withdrawn from the IETF
    process. See IEEE/ISTO Printer Working Group 'work-in-progress' on
    this topic at 'http://www.pwg.org'."

    Then we send your suggested note to RFC Editor (the documents in the
    RFC queue), IETF Secretary, and IETF Applications ADs.

    Cheers,
    - Ira

    PS - At least the PSI and FSG folks are quite happy to make MUST
    requirements for implementations that elect to support LDAP and/or
    SLP service discovery - the problem of options is getting more
    attention in the next generation of printing protocol standards.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Carl [mailto:carl@manros.com]
    Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 8:36 PM
    To: McDonald, Ira
    Cc: Carl-Uno Manros; 'Pat Fleming'; 'Hastings, Tom N'; 'Harry Lewis'
    Subject: RE: LDAP Printer Schema - lost in the woods?

    Ira,

    This is such a long and sad story. As you might remember, the original idea
    was to have this informatiuon as an appendix to the IPP Model document, but
    then we decided to break it out and make it into a separate document, etc.
    etc. and then it has been going on for several years...

    I think you are right. I suggest that you and Pat as authors of the latest
    draft write to the IETF Editor and Patrik, informing them that you want to
    withdraw the current version of the document. Once it has been published by
    the PWG, you can still re-enter an updated version as an Informational RFC
    in the IETF, but then with the remark that it is a published standard in the
    PWG and is only offered to the IETF for pure information.

    Does this make sense?

    Carl-Uno

    Carl-Uno Manros
    10701 S Eastern Ave #1117
    Henderson, NV 89052, USA
    Tel +1-702-617-9414
    Fax +1-702-617-9417
    Mob +1-702-525-0727
    Email carl@manros.com

    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: McDonald, Ira [mailto:imcdonald@sharplabs.com]
    > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 12:25 PM
    > To: 'carl@manros.com'; McDonald, Ira
    > Cc: 'Harry Lewis'; 'Hastings, Tom N'; 'Pat Fleming'
    > Subject: RE: LDAP Printer Schema - lost in the woods?
    >
    >
    > Hi Carl-Uno,
    >
    > My mistake - this LDAP Printer Schema was for IETF Informational
    > status. The fact that a non-IETF standard (in fact quite a few of
    > them) will make a Normative reference is perhaps the BEST reason
    > to just withdraw the document and publish it from the PWG.
    >
    > Background:
    >
    > We agreed (at Harry Lewis' urging) to try and get it published as
    > an RFC - but two more years have gone past, and a lot of products
    > have shipped with this LDAP Printer Schema (from IBM, Sun, and
    > others).
    >
    > So let's just withdraw this document as an IETF product and
    > publish it as IEEE/ISTO PWG Proposed Standard, OK?
    >
    > Cheers,
    > - Ira McDonald
    >
    >
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Carl [mailto:carl@manros.com]
    > Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 2:04 AM
    > To: McDonald, Ira
    > Cc: Carl-Uno Manros
    > Subject: RE: LDAP Printer Schema - lost in the woods?
    >
    >
    > Ira,
    >
    > Before I ping Patrik, can you remind me what status this document
    > will have
    > in the IETF?
    >
    > If it is not standards track, it will be politically incorrect to
    > talk about
    > other standads documents as referencing it as a normative reference, just
    > trying to not word this wrongly.
    >
    > Carl-Uno
    >
    > Carl-Uno Manros
    > 10701 S Eastern Ave #1117
    > Henderson, NV 89052, USA
    > Tel +1-702-617-9414
    > Fax +1-702-617-9417
    > Mob +1-702-525-0727
    > Email carl@manros.com
    >
    > > -----Original Message-----
    > > From: McDonald, Ira [mailto:imcdonald@sharplabs.com]
    > > Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 4:33 PM
    > > To: 'Carl'; 'Harry Lewis'; 'Hastings, Tom N'; 'Pat Fleming'; McDonald,
    > > Ira
    > > Subject: LDAP Printer Schema - lost in the woods?
    > > Importance: High
    > >
    > >
    > > Hi Carl-Uno,
    > >
    > > Would you please ping Patrik Faltstrom about the status of this
    > > document?
    > >
    > > The soon-to-be-completed IEEE/ISTO PWG Print Systems Interface
    > > (PSI, printer over WSDL/SOAP) will have a Normative section on
    > > print server and target device service discovery via:
    > > (1) Multicast DNS -- vis SRV record search
    > > (2) SLPv2 -- via IANA-registered SLP Printer Template v2.0
    > > (3) LDAPv3 -- draft-fleming-ldap-printer-schema-02.txt, June 2002
    > >
    > > Patrik has never answered any of the notes that Pat Fleming (my
    > > co-author) and I have sent since July 2002. The IETF DataTracker
    > > shows that this item was last updated in July -- when it was first
    > > _added_ to the IESG DataTracker.
    > >
    > > If this document is not published quite soon as an RFC (Q1 2003),
    > > for PSI we need to:
    > > (1) _withdraw_ it as an IETF document -- via a new I-D version
    > > (2) _adopt_ it as a stable IEEE/ISTO PWG Proposed Standard
    > >
    > > Free Software Group (FSG) Open Printing standards for Linux will
    > > also have several Normative references to this LDAP Printer Schema.
    > >
    > > Cheers,
    > > - Ira McDonald, co-author of LDAP Printer Schema
    > > High North Inc
    > >
    >



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