W. A. Wagner (Bill Wagner)
OSICOM/DPI
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jay Martin [SMTP:jkm@underscore.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 1997 6:27 PM
> To: lpyoung@lexmark.com
> Cc: jmp@pwg.org; Mailing List PWG
> Subject: Re: JMP> JOB MIB Charter - Why?
>
> [Given the general nature of this thread, I have also cc:'d the
> general PWG mailing list.]
>
> This statement will come as no surprise to those PWG folks who've
> been around for a while.
>
> Having a bonafide "IETF standard" seems to foster the perception that
> the standard is "real" and "genuine" in one or more ways, although I
> think everyone will be hard pressed to explain exactly why that is.
>
> IMHO, as long as a publicly available document repository exists for
> interested parties to extract related documents, a "standard" can
> be produced by anyone and used by anyone (assuming copyrights aren't
> a problem, of course).
>
> If a given industry decides to align itself towards delivering
> products based around a set of standards, it should not matter
> who or what produces that standard.
>
> Customers are interested in solutions, not standards. I know this
> sounds like Motherhood-and-Apple-Pie, but some folks seem to think
> otherwise, based on various postings on PWG mailing lists.
>
> I personally see no reason for the PWG's JMP effort to be sanctioned
> by the IETF. Instead, JMP should serve as the very first PWG-based
> standard published in the printer industry.
>
> What problems do people see with this position?
>
> ...jay
>
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>
> lpyoung@lexmark.com wrote:
> >
> > I want to turn this discussion around 180 degrees. Why do you
> > want to be chartered by the IETF? This is probably heresy coming
> > from an IETF working group chairman but I really do not see any
> > advantage for the JOB MIB to be chartered by the IETF. All that
> > seems to matter is that an RFC number is attached to the JOB MIB
> > which will happen by it being informational. I do not see the
> > level (Informational, Proposed, Draft, etc.) that a MIB is at
> > making any difference in whether a MIB is successful in the
> > marketplace. Success in the marketplace is determined by a
> > lot of factors more than merely whether the MIB is on an
> > IETF Standards Track.
> > Regards,
> > Lloyd
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