Hi Ron and Bill,
Three points:
(1) The Counter MIB defines _only_ a mapping of abstract counters
whose semantics are normatively defined in the Counter Spec.
(2) The entire section 1.2 'Imaging Terminology' in the Counter MIB
should be _deleted_ and replaced with a single sentence that
states the names of terms imported normatively from the Counter
Spec.
(3) All issues on definitions must be resolved in the Counter Spec.
The Counter Spec _does_ define 'black impressions', etc., in section
4.2.1 'Job Counters Table'. Those definitions are exactly aligned
with the definitions in the Job MIB (RFC 2707) and IPP/1.1 (RFC 2911)
which are already part of the PWG Semantic Model/1.0 and are NOT
subject to change in their meaning (though examples are permissible
in the Counter Spec).
We've already debated (at previous PWG face-to-face meetings) and
WIMS teleconferences whether definitions can be changed. And agreed
that they MUST NOT be changed to conflict with the deployed Job MIB
and IPP job progress extensions.
Cheers,
- Ira
Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839
phone: +1-906-494-2434
email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bergman, Ron [mailto:Ron.Bergman@rpsa.ricoh.com]
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 11:56 AM
> To: McDonald, Ira; wims@pwg.org
> Cc: Harry Lewis (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: Counter MIB Last Call Comments
>
>
> Ira,
>
> Sorry for my confusion here, but can you tell me where
> 'black media sheet' is defined? I could not find this
> in the Counter's spec.
>
> If someone says to me 'black media sheet', I would believe
> (incorrectly I guess) they were talking about a black sheet
> of paper, not a sheet printed with black toner. Note that
> I am not concerned with the object name, just the
> description clause.
>
> Ron
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: McDonald, Ira [mailto:imcdonald@sharplabs.com]
> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 10:09 AM
> To: Bergman, Ron; wims@pwg.org
> Cc: Harry Lewis (E-mail); McDonald, Ira
> Subject: RE: Counter MIB Last Call Comments
>
>
> Hi Ron,
>
> The first is a good catch - thanks.
>
> The rest are rewordings that attempt to tersely redefine
> what a 'black media sheet' (for example) means. The
> Counter MIB normatively imports these definitions from
> the Counter Spec. The rewordings are possibly dangerous
> and add no value (in my opinion). It is NOT the business
> of the Counter MIB to redefine these terms at variance
> with the Counter Spec.
>
> My two cents,
> - Ira
>
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
> PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839
> phone: +1-906-494-2434
> email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bergman, Ron [mailto:Ron.Bergman@rpsa.ricoh.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 6:25 PM
> To: wims@pwg.org
> Cc: Harry Lewis (E-mail); Ira McDonald (E-mail 3)
> Subject: Counter MIB Last Call Comments
>
>
> I have two comments on this document.
> 1. Invalid examples in the description clause for:
> icKeySubunitType The text "(e.g., print, copy, etc.)" is incorrect
> for this object. Should be "(e.g., inputTray, outputBin, etc.)".
> 2. Unclear wording in the description clauses for:
> icSheetBlackSheets:
> Current:
> "Black media sheets printed by this
> managed service (e.g., 'icServiceType' of 'print')
> or managed subunit (e.g., 'icSubunitType' of 'marker')."
> Suggested:
> "Media sheets printed by this managed service (e.g.,
> 'icServiceType' of 'print') or managed subunit (e.g.,
> 'icSubunitType' of 'marker') using only black colorant."
> icSheetBlankSheets
> Current:
> "Blank media sheets printed by this
> managed service (e.g., 'icServiceType' of 'print')
> or managed subunit (e.g., 'icSubunitType' of 'marker')."
> Suggested:
> "Media sheets printed by this managed service (e.g.,
> 'icServiceType' of 'print') or managed subunit (e.g.,
> 'icSubunitType' of 'marker') without an image."
> icSheetFullColorSheets
> Current:
> "Full color media sheets printed by this
> managed service (e.g., 'icServiceType' of 'print')
> or managed subunit (e.g., 'icSubunitType' of 'marker')."
> Suggested:
> "Media sheets printed by this managed service (e.g.,
> 'icServiceType' of 'print') or managed subunit (e.g.,
> 'icSubunitType' of 'marker') using full color."
> icSheetHighlightColorSheets
> Current:
> "Highlight color media sheets printed by this
> managed service (e.g., 'icServiceType' of 'print')
> or managed subunit (e.g., 'icSubunitType' of 'marker')."
> Suggested:
> "Media sheets printed by this managed service (e.g.,
> 'icServiceType' of 'print') or managed subunit (e.g.,
> 'icSubunitType' of 'marker') using a highlight color."
> icMediaUsedBlackSheets
> Current:
> "Black sheets of this specific media printed by this
> managed service (e.g., 'icServiceType' of 'print')
> or managed subunit (e.g., 'icSubunitType' of 'marker')."
> Suggested:
> "Sheets of this specific media printed by this
> managed service
> (e.g., 'icServiceType' of 'print') or managed subunit (e.g.,
> 'icSubunitType' of 'marker') using only black colorant."
> icMediaUsedBlankSheets
> Current:
> "Blank sheets of this specific media printed by this
> managed service (e.g., 'icServiceType' of 'print')
> or managed subunit (e.g., 'icSubunitType' of 'marker')."
> Suggested:
> "Sheets of this specific media printed by this
> managed service
> (e.g., 'icServiceType' of 'print') or managed subunit (e.g.,
> 'icSubunitType' of 'marker') without an image."
> icMediaUsedFullColorSheets
> Current:
> "Full color sheets of this specific media printed by this
> managed service (e.g., 'icServiceType' of 'print')
> or managed subunit (e.g., 'icSubunitType' of 'marker')."
> Suggested:
> "Sheets of this specific media printed by this
> managed service
> (e.g., 'icServiceType' of 'print') or managed subunit (e.g.,
> 'icSubunitType' of 'marker') using full color."
> icMediaUsedHighlightColorSheets
> Current:
> "Highlight color sheets of this specific media
> printed by this
> managed service (e.g., 'icServiceType' of 'print')
> or managed subunit (e.g., 'icSubunitType' of 'marker')."
> Suggested:
> "Sheets of this specific media printed by this
> managed service
> (e.g., 'icServiceType' of 'print') or managed subunit (e.g.,
> 'icSubunitType' of 'marker') using a highlight color."
> Ron Bergman
> Ricoh Printing Systems America
>
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