OK, so when will we see a new MIB?
-----Original Message-----
From: McDonald, Ira [mailto:imcdonald@sharplabs.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:52 AM
To: Bergman, Ron; McDonald, Ira; wims@pwg.org
Cc: Harry Lewis (E-mail)
Subject: RE: Counter MIB Last Call Comments
Hi Ron,
You're looking at an out-of-date Counter Spec. The one in Last Call
is at:
ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wims/wd/wd-wimscount10-20050329.pdf
MIBs _must_ use a final, plural noun in object definitions with the
syntax 'Counter32' (per SMIv2 and IETF best practices). Thus
'icMediaUsedBlackSheets' and the parent 'icSheetBlackSheets'.
This is a typographical convention.
I am strongly opposed to leaving _any_ definitions of sheets,
black, full-color, etc. in the Counter MIB. That's the job of
the Counter Spec.
Cheers,
- Ira
Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839
phone: +1-906-494-2434
email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bergman, Ron [mailto:Ron.Bergman@rpsa.ricoh.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:32 PM
> To: McDonald, Ira; wims@pwg.org
> Cc: Harry Lewis (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: Counter MIB Last Call Comments
>
>
> Ira,
>
> You must have a totally different set of documents than I have!
> In my copy of wd-wimscount10-20050322.pdf (March 23,2005) I find
> on page 20:
> MediaUsed.BlackSheets
> "The total number of pieces of this specific media that
> have been used and which only black colorant is placed
> on either side of the media."
>
> Then on wd-wimscountmib10-20050319.htm, page 37, I read:
> icMediaUsedBlackSheets
> "Black sheets of this specific media printed by this
> managed service (e.g., 'icServiceType' of 'print') or
> managed subunit (e.g., 'icSubunitType' of 'marker')."
>
> "Black sheets" implies that the sheets are colored black, not
> printed using "black colorant", as in MediaUsed.BlackSheets.
>
> The worst is on page 32 (I don't see an equivalent in the
> counters spec)
>
> icSheetBlackSheets
> "Black media sheets printed by this managed service
> (e.g., 'icServiceType' of 'print') or managed subunit
> (e.g., 'icSubunitType' of 'marker')."
>
> Ira, if you feel the text currently in the MIB is not ambiguous
> and will never be misinterpreted, then don't change. My personal
> opinion is that it can be improved, but that is only a suggestion.
>
> Ron Bergman
> Ricoh Printing Systems America
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: McDonald, Ira [mailto:imcdonald@sharplabs.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 9:05 AM
> To: Bergman, Ron; wims@pwg.org
> Cc: Harry Lewis (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: Counter MIB Last Call Comments
>
>
> Hi Ron and Bill,
>
> Three points:
>
> (1) The Counter MIB defines _only_ a mapping of abstract counters
> whose semantics are normatively defined in the Counter Spec.
>
> (2) The entire section 1.2 'Imaging Terminology' in the Counter MIB
> should be _deleted_ and replaced with a single sentence that
> states the names of terms imported normatively from the Counter
> Spec.
>
> (3) All issues on definitions must be resolved in the Counter Spec.
>
> The Counter Spec _does_ define 'black impressions', etc., in section
> 4.2.1 'Job Counters Table'. Those definitions are exactly aligned
> with the definitions in the Job MIB (RFC 2707) and IPP/1.1 (RFC 2911)
> which are already part of the PWG Semantic Model/1.0 and are NOT
> subject to change in their meaning (though examples are permissible
> in the Counter Spec).
>
> We've already debated (at previous PWG face-to-face meetings) and
> WIMS teleconferences whether definitions can be changed. And agreed
> that they MUST NOT be changed to conflict with the deployed Job MIB
> and IPP job progress extensions.
>
> Cheers,
> - Ira
>
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
> PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839
> phone: +1-906-494-2434
> email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bergman, Ron [mailto:Ron.Bergman@rpsa.ricoh.com]
> > Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 11:56 AM
> > To: McDonald, Ira; wims@pwg.org
> > Cc: Harry Lewis (E-mail)
> > Subject: RE: Counter MIB Last Call Comments
> >
> >
> > Ira,
> >
> > Sorry for my confusion here, but can you tell me where
> > 'black media sheet' is defined? I could not find this
> > in the Counter's spec.
> >
> > If someone says to me 'black media sheet', I would believe
> > (incorrectly I guess) they were talking about a black sheet
> > of paper, not a sheet printed with black toner. Note that
> > I am not concerned with the object name, just the
> > description clause.
> >
> > Ron
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: McDonald, Ira [mailto:imcdonald@sharplabs.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 10:09 AM
> > To: Bergman, Ron; wims@pwg.org
> > Cc: Harry Lewis (E-mail); McDonald, Ira
> > Subject: RE: Counter MIB Last Call Comments
> >
> >
> > Hi Ron,
> >
> > The first is a good catch - thanks.
> >
> > The rest are rewordings that attempt to tersely redefine
> > what a 'black media sheet' (for example) means. The
> > Counter MIB normatively imports these definitions from
> > the Counter Spec. The rewordings are possibly dangerous
> > and add no value (in my opinion). It is NOT the business
> > of the Counter MIB to redefine these terms at variance
> > with the Counter Spec.
> >
> > My two cents,
> > - Ira
> >
> > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> > Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
> > PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839
> > phone: +1-906-494-2434
> > email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bergman, Ron [mailto:Ron.Bergman@rpsa.ricoh.com]
> > Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 6:25 PM
> > To: wims@pwg.org
> > Cc: Harry Lewis (E-mail); Ira McDonald (E-mail 3)
> > Subject: Counter MIB Last Call Comments
> >
> >
> > I have two comments on this document.
> > 1. Invalid examples in the description clause for:
> > icKeySubunitType The text "(e.g., print, copy, etc.)" is incorrect
> > for this object. Should be "(e.g., inputTray, outputBin, etc.)".
> > 2. Unclear wording in the description clauses for:
> > icSheetBlackSheets:
> > Current:
> > "Black media sheets printed by this
> > managed service (e.g., 'icServiceType' of 'print')
> > or managed subunit (e.g., 'icSubunitType' of 'marker')."
> > Suggested:
> > "Media sheets printed by this managed service (e.g.,
> > 'icServiceType' of 'print') or managed subunit (e.g.,
> > 'icSubunitType' of 'marker') using only black colorant."
> > icSheetBlankSheets
> > Current:
> > "Blank media sheets printed by this
> > managed service (e.g., 'icServiceType' of 'print')
> > or managed subunit (e.g., 'icSubunitType' of 'marker')."
> > Suggested:
> > "Media sheets printed by this managed service (e.g.,
> > 'icServiceType' of 'print') or managed subunit (e.g.,
> > 'icSubunitType' of 'marker') without an image."
> > icSheetFullColorSheets
> > Current:
> > "Full color media sheets printed by this
> > managed service (e.g., 'icServiceType' of 'print')
> > or managed subunit (e.g., 'icSubunitType' of 'marker')."
> > Suggested:
> > "Media sheets printed by this managed service (e.g.,
> > 'icServiceType' of 'print') or managed subunit (e.g.,
> > 'icSubunitType' of 'marker') using full color."
> > icSheetHighlightColorSheets
> > Current:
> > "Highlight color media sheets printed by this
> > managed service (e.g., 'icServiceType' of 'print')
> > or managed subunit (e.g., 'icSubunitType' of 'marker')."
> > Suggested:
> > "Media sheets printed by this managed service (e.g.,
> > 'icServiceType' of 'print') or managed subunit (e.g.,
> > 'icSubunitType' of 'marker') using a highlight color."
> > icMediaUsedBlackSheets
> > Current:
> > "Black sheets of this specific media printed by this
> > managed service (e.g., 'icServiceType' of 'print')
> > or managed subunit (e.g., 'icSubunitType' of 'marker')."
> > Suggested:
> > "Sheets of this specific media printed by this
> > managed service
> > (e.g., 'icServiceType' of 'print') or managed
> subunit (e.g.,
> > 'icSubunitType' of 'marker') using only black colorant."
> > icMediaUsedBlankSheets
> > Current:
> > "Blank sheets of this specific media printed by this
> > managed service (e.g., 'icServiceType' of 'print')
> > or managed subunit (e.g., 'icSubunitType' of 'marker')."
> > Suggested:
> > "Sheets of this specific media printed by this
> > managed service
> > (e.g., 'icServiceType' of 'print') or managed
> subunit (e.g.,
> > 'icSubunitType' of 'marker') without an image."
> > icMediaUsedFullColorSheets
> > Current:
> > "Full color sheets of this specific media printed by this
> > managed service (e.g., 'icServiceType' of 'print')
> > or managed subunit (e.g., 'icSubunitType' of 'marker')."
> > Suggested:
> > "Sheets of this specific media printed by this
> > managed service
> > (e.g., 'icServiceType' of 'print') or managed
> subunit (e.g.,
> > 'icSubunitType' of 'marker') using full color."
> > icMediaUsedHighlightColorSheets
> > Current:
> > "Highlight color sheets of this specific media
> > printed by this
> > managed service (e.g., 'icServiceType' of 'print')
> > or managed subunit (e.g., 'icSubunitType' of 'marker')."
> > Suggested:
> > "Sheets of this specific media printed by this
> > managed service
> > (e.g., 'icServiceType' of 'print') or managed
> subunit (e.g.,
> > 'icSubunitType' of 'marker') using a highlight color."
> > Ron Bergman
> > Ricoh Printing Systems America
> >
>
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