WIMS> RE: Counter MIB questions

From: McDonald, Ira (imcdonald@sharplabs.com)
Date: Thu Jul 06 2006 - 15:27:30 EDT

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    Hi Stuart,
     
    The ASCII keyword in '...SizeName' should NOT be localized,
    but the equivalent elements in '...MediaInfo' ARE supposed to
    be localized.
     
    But, because '...MediaInfo' in the Abstact Counter spec (PWG
    5106.1) and Counter MIB is required for the key distinguishing
    two instances of the same size media (e.g., by color), it's highly
    undesirable to change the value of '...MediaInfo' when the printer
    locale changes - lousy side effects for accounting applications.
     
    Bill - I consider this a probable errata against the Counter MIB.
     
    Cheers,
    - Ira

    Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
    Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
    PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839
    phone: +1-906-494-2434
    email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Stuart Rowley [mailto:Stuart.Rowley@ktd-kyocera.com]
    Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 9:07 PM
    To: McDonald, Ira
    Cc: wims@pwg.org
    Subject: RE: Counter MIB questions

    Hi Ira,

     

    Thanks for the quick reply.

     

    The description for icMediaUsedMediaSizeName says:

     

    "The media size self-describing name for this specific media,

    for use with remote network management scripts and GUIs,

    specified as a Unicode string encoded in UTF-8 (RFC 3629)

    in the language specified in 'icGeneralNaturalLanguage'.

     

    ...so would this ASCII keyword be localized...?

     

    Thanks,

     

    Stuart

       _____

    From: McDonald, Ira [mailto:imcdonald@sharplabs.com]
    Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 12:47 PM
    To: Stuart Rowley; McDonald, Ira
    Cc: 'wims@pwg.org'
    Subject: RE: Counter MIB questions

     

    Hi Stuart,

     

    I copied the WIMS list, so others could see my remarks and chime in.

     

    The significance of icMediaUsedMediaSizeName being DisplayString is

    that it MUST be strict ASCII (it's a _keyword_ that follows the format in

    PWG 5101.1, not a free form name - even a custom size name has a

    format and MUST be strict ASCII).

     

    icMediaUsedMediaInfo is a description that makes '...SizeName' unique for

    instances of different (but same size) media. Because the IETF leaned

    on us hard to make all future MIB descriptive strings be internationalized,

    it's of type SnmpAdminString (UTF-8) and localized.

     

    Now - nothing prevents you from making the "localized" media info in

    Kyocera products be of the form:

     

      media-info = english-media-identifier ":" localized-description

     

    So that your accounting applications use the invariant identifier and

    save the localized-description (if at all) in a separate database field

    that's informational.

     

    Or you could cheat (I don't recommend this) and leave the value of

    icGeneralNaturalLanguage empty and just support all descriptive

    fields in US-English only (the default) - I _really_ don't recommend

    this approach, because it's not very customer-friendly.

     

    Hope this helps,

    - Ira

     

    Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
    Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
    PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839
    phone: +1-906-494-2434
    email: imcdonald@sharplabs.com

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Stuart Rowley [mailto:Stuart.Rowley@ktd-kyocera.com]
    Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 1:47 PM
    To: McDonald, Ira
    Subject: Counters MIB questions

    Hi Ira,

     

    I hope you had an enjoyable 4th of July weekend.

     

    I have a couple questions about the Counters spec and MIB regarding media
    used.

     

    There are 3 objects used to describe the media size and type.

    icMediaUsedMediaSizeName DisplayString,

    icMediaUsedMediaInfo SnmpAdminString,

    icMediaUsedMediaName SnmpAdminString

     

    What is the significance of icMediaUsedMediaSizeName using DisplayString and
    the others using SnmpAdminString?

     

    In the MIB it lists all three as being localized, but it seems only
    icMediaUsedMediaName should be localized. I need icMediaUsedMediaSizeName
    and icMediaUsedMediaInfo to be used by our accounting apps to identify the
    size and type for billing purposes. This would be hard to achieve using
    localized strings. Our apps would need to read standardized names from these
    two objects. Am I missing something?

     

    Thanks,

     

    Stuart

     

    Stuart Rowley

    Network Product Mgr.

    Kyocera Technology Development 

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