RE: WIMS> CIM> DMTF Alliance Partner draft presentation

From: Richard_Landau@Dell.com
Date: Thu Jul 19 2007 - 18:17:43 EDT

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    Great, thanks for the feedback. Glad it went well. Yes, I agree that
    printing will always be the red headed stepchild in almost any computer
    system oriented group. It's that service that no one cares about until
    it doesn't work one day and then it's critical.
     
    Regarding services and computer systems, I think that services should be
    modeled as Services, which is the way PrintService currently is.
    Services are *hosted* on ComputerSystems, but that's the easy part
    because someone else has already defined it. The Service itself is not
    a stand-alone network entity.
     
    Associations to relate devices to services? Almost certainly yes.
    Data-based relationships, which CIM calls "weak" relationships, simply
    are not tolerated any more. (Analogy: SNMP = relational database =
    data-based relationships. CIM = CODASYL database = pointer-based
    relationships embodied in separate records.) We'll cross that bridge
    when we come to it.
     
    rick

    ________________________________

    From: Whittle, Craig [mailto:cwhittle@sharplabs.com]
    Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 16:16
    To: Landau, Richard
    Cc: owner-wims@pwg.org; wims@pwg.org; harryl@us.ibm.com
    Subject: RE: WIMS> CIM> DMTF Alliance Partner draft presentation

    Rick, et al.:

     

    The presentation went well. There were several members of "core" that
    attended. John Crandall had the most comments. Overall the feedback
    was positive although I still get the feeling that printing / imaging is
    still the "red headed stepchildren" of DMTF. There only specific
    comment was about the use of ComputerSystem as a future direction for
    our printing / imaging classes. John Crandall said that services were
    better represented under ComputerSystem rather than devices. He did not
    suggest and alternative place for printing devices. He did suggest
    using association classes to link devices and services.

     

    Despite the seemingly endless rewrites of our CRs driven by last-minute
    comments from core, I got the impression from other attendees
    representing other alliances that our process is going relatively
    smoothly. I let John Crandall know that.

     

    The latest version of the presentation is posted on
    ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/presentations/07JUL-DMTF-Alliance-Part
    ner-Technical-Symposium.ppt

     

    Best regards,

     

    **CW

     

    ________________________________

    From: Richard_Landau@Dell.com [mailto:Richard_Landau@Dell.com]
    Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 1:18 PM
    To: Whittle, Craig
    Cc: owner-wims@pwg.org; wims@pwg.org; harryl@us.ibm.com
    Subject: RE: WIMS> CIM> DMTF Alliance Partner draft presentation

     

    Craig, how did it go? Hope it was okay. There was no phone bridge that
    I could find to call into to serve as a backup, sorry.

     

    rick

     

    ________________________________

    From: Whittle, Craig [mailto:cwhittle@sharplabs.com]
    Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 11:06
    To: Landau, Richard
    Cc: owner-wims@pwg.org; wims@pwg.org; harryl@us.ibm.com
    Subject: RE: WIMS> CIM> DMTF Alliance Partner draft presentation

    Rick:

     

    Have you updated the wiki to reflect the latest changing the CRs? Is
    your "work to be done" presentation also current? I can incorporate some
    of these into the presentation this morning before I head off to
    Portland to present this afternoon.

     

    Best regards,

     

    **CW

     

    ________________________________

    From: Richard_Landau@Dell.com [mailto:Richard_Landau@Dell.com]
    Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 7:30 AM
    To: harryl@us.ibm.com; Whittle, Craig
    Cc: owner-wims@pwg.org; wims@pwg.org
    Subject: RE: WIMS> CIM> DMTF Alliance Partner draft presentation

     

    Craig and Harry,

     

    No problema. The Monday session was a big surprise to me, and I
    mistakenly thought that 1:00 was the same as 1:00, but one of them was
    Monday and one Wednesday. I apologize for the confusion, but I was
    completely surprised by the mention of a Core-specific planning session
    that I had never heard about before.

     

    The Monday Core session was only about estimating the workload for next
    year. I called in then and told Core about the remaining work in

    - Printer device (a dozen-ish new classes plus corrections, approx
    fifteen new CRs),

    - plus the coming work for PrintService (approx 8-10 new CRs),

    - PrintJob (no estimates), PrintQueue, and PrintSAP.

    And I mentioned that there might be similar work for projectors (more
    than six months from now) and a profile for network printers (also more
    than six months from now).

     

    I sent them a couple pictures from our Visios with small annotations,
    which I also posted on our site as

     

    ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wims/cim/Visio-Printer_11_WhatRemainsToBeDone_
    B.pdf
    <ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/wims/cim/Visio-Printer_11_WhatRemainsToBeDone
    _B.pdf>

     

    The session Wednesday seems to be a different topic, status and plan
    update, and I think the slides you did are right on the money.

     

    Please let us know how it comes out. Thanks. Again, sorry for the
    confusion.

     

    rick

     

     

    ________________________________

    From: Harry Lewis [mailto:harryl@us.ibm.com]
    Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 23:41
    To: Whittle, Craig
    Cc: owner-wims@pwg.org; Landau, Richard; wims@pwg.org
    Subject: RE: WIMS> DMTF Alliance Partner draft presentation

    Craig, appreciate you doing the best you can here. Seems like some
    date/time info may have been miscommunicaed.
    I'm sure I'd heard Wed 7/18.
    In any case... I know Mark said webex dialup would be a viable option.

     

    Harry Lewis
    Program Manager - Intellectual Property & Standards
    Phone: 303-924-5337
    e-mail: harryl@us.ibm.com
    infoprint.com <http://www.infoprint.com/>

    "Whittle, Craig" <cwhittle@sharplabs.com>
    Sent by: owner-wims@pwg.org

    07/13/2007 12:20 PM

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    Rick:
      
    The last e-mail I received from Mark Carlson was on 6/22. This is the
    first I have heard of the Alliance F2F next week, Monday @ 1PM PT.
    Unfortunately I have a conflict at that time. I hope the Core session
    is OK with you calling in.
      
    Thanks,
      
    Craig Whittle
    Project Manager / Scrum Master
    Sharp Labs of America
    (360) 817-8544
      

     

    ________________________________

    From: Richard_Landau@Dell.com [mailto:Richard_Landau@Dell.com]
    Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:23 AM
    To: Whittle, Craig; wims@pwg.org
    Subject: RE: WIMS> DMTF Alliance Partner draft presentation
      
    Craig, I just heard from Jon Crandall, co-chair of the CIM Core WG, that
    they would like PWG representation at a meeting at the Alliance F2F next
    week, Monday @ 1PM PT, specifically at a Core session for planning next
    year. Are you planning to go to that session or some other one? They
    would like to hear in particular how far we are down the path and how
    far we still have to go. The question is how many CRs do we expect to
    put in next year (I interpret that as the next 12 months starting now)
    so they can plan for resources.
      
    I will try to get complete info on the meeting name, location, time, and
    so forth. Unfortunately, some of the schedule is published only to TC
    members, of which I am not one. Did you get a schedule by email from
    Mark Carlson? If I can get the phone information, I will call into the
    meeting, too.
      
    Here is some crude info in case you need some: we have about twelve
    classes left to go to finish the printer device, after the four that
    passed today. We are roughly half way through the technical stuff, but
    I think we are 75% of the way through the controversies over class
    structure and property structure. So it should take slightly less time
    to finish the Printer device. How, how much time the PrintService and
    other classes will take is hard to estimate. I haven't really looked at
    them. I expect that there will be several classes added, primarily for
    capabilities and settings.
      
    rick
      
    PS: Your email signature does not contain a phone number, so I couldn't
    get hold of you that way.
      

     

    ________________________________

    From: owner-wims@pwg.org [mailto:owner-wims@pwg.org] On Behalf Of
    Whittle, Craig
    Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 17:11
    To: wims@pwg.org
    Subject: WIMS> DMTF Alliance Partner draft presentation
    All:
      
    A draft presentation for the DMTF Alliance Partner Technical Symposium
    in Portland, OR on July 18th has been posted (see
    ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/presentations/07%20JUL%20DMTF%20Allian
    ce%20Partner%20Technical%20Symposium.ppt
    <ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/presentations/07 JUL DMTF Alliance
    Partner Technical Symposium.ppt> ). We will review this as part of our
    face-to-face meeting. I look forward to your comments.
      
    Best regards,
      
    **CW


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