From: Ira McDonald (blueroofmusic@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Dec 04 2008 - 18:00:52 EST
Hi Konstantin,
First - please pick up the new definitions of CIM v2.20 (shipped last
week) - there are several minor Printer class fixes from 2.19.
Also - beware that CIM_PrintAlertRecord.RecordFormat is STILL in
error (Rick Landau and I plan to submit fixups for CIM v2.21).
We have just discussed your question about Vendor name during
our WIMS WG session at the PWG face-to-face in Irvine, CA today.
Our consensus is that the best location for Vendor name would be
in CIM_Printer.Caption (which should be a direct mapping of the
sysDescr object in IETF MIB-II).
Our next PWG task will be to begin writing the CIM Printer Profile (i.e.,
the implementors guide and conformance rules) - please consider
contributing your ideas and experience to this effort.
Best Regards,
- Ira
Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
winter:
579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176
734-944-0094
summer:
PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839
906-494-2434
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 3:36 AM, <Richard_Landau@dell.com> wrote:
> First, I'm delighted to hear that Ricoh is implementing the new CIM Printer model. Your implementation experience will be very valuable in discovering where the specs need tightening in a printer profile. Please let us keep discussing any questions you have as you develop the implementation.
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> Where to put vendor name? Well, in the prototype proxy provider that I'm writing, I chose to use the CIM_Printer.Caption and CIM_Printer.Description properties to convey this information. The best I can do as a proxy is to insert the sysDescr string into these properties. Since you can write these properties directly, you can provide both a long and short description if you wish.
>
> CIM_Printer.Name should be reserved for an administratively assigned name, such as IP name.
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> Yes, you can subclass from CIM_Printer. Agreed, you cannot change the inheritance hierarchy of any of the classes, but you can always create a specialized subclass if you wish, to extend properties or simply to avoid namespace conflicts in the CIMOM.
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> You're quite right that the CIM_Printer.CreationClassName must contain the precise classname of the instance.
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> Keep the questions coming. We need to collect just this sort of info for the profile we still have to write. If you have a chance, take a look at the choices made in the proxy provider, and, if you don't agree with them, please suggest better contents for the properties.
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> rick
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-wims@pwg.org [mailto:owner-wims@pwg.org] On Behalf Of konstantin.vorobyev@nts.ricoh.co.jp
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 01:30
> To: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
> Cc: wims@pwg.org
> Subject: Re: WIMS> Vendor information in CIM_Printer
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> Dear Ira,
>
> Thank you very much for your prompt reply.
>
> As far as I know we can't and we shouldn't extend any of CIM_Printer superclasses (like CIM_LogicalDevice, CIM_ManagedElement etc.) since we will break CIM_Printer's inheritance chain (superclass of CIM_Printer will be different). According to this we have no other ways but extend CIM_Printer. So, we are going to create a subclass of CIM_Printer (in new namespace, like Ricoh_Printer) and add some fields, including VendorName.
> Related to CIM_LogicalDevice.CreationClassName, as far as I know, we should put exact object's class name into this, like ("CIM_Printer"), and I'm not sure that we can put vendor's information here.
>
> If you have any comments or suggestions your help is greatly appreciated!
>
> Best regards,
> Konstantin Vorobyev, RICOH COMPANY, LTD.
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> Hi Konstantin,
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> WONDERFUL NEWS that Ricoh is implementing the CIM Printer classes!
> - more on this topic later in this note.
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> Apologies for my delayed response - traveling since last Wednesday.
>
> Sadly, there is NOT a property for Vendor Name, because the CIM Printer classes are derived *directly* from the Printer MIB v2 (RFC 3805) which does not have such a property (prtInputVendorName was not modelled in the CIM_PrintInputTray class because it is NOT widely correctly implemented).
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> In MIBs, Vendor Name belongs as part of sysDescr in MIB-II (RFC 1213).
> I can't find this in existing CIM classes either (odd?).
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> However, in order to add vendor-specific properties, you will probably subclass the standard classes, in which case vendor name WILL be explicit in the CIM_LogicalDevice.CreationClassName property - Rick Landau (Dell, CIM Core co-chair) assures us that this subclassing is typical across most CIM implementations.
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> The Ricoh implementation, along with Rick Landau's complete prototype of all CIM Printer classes (now nearing completion) will satisfy the CIM rule that two independent implementations are required to move a new class (or new property) from CIM Experimental (backwards compatibility NOT guaranteed) to CIM Final (stable and backwards compatible).
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> We will talk about this (Ricoh and Dell implementations) during this week's PWG Face-to-Face here at Samsung in Irvine, CA on Thursday.
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> Please feel free to ask any questions - as co-editor with Rick Landau of the CIM Printer classes, I'm *very* interested in helping implementors.
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> Cheers,
> - Ira
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> PS - Rick may have better advice, but he's at *another* conference all this week and on vacation the rest of the year - but I'll leave him voice mail on his cell phone.
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> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
> email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
> winter:
> 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176
> 734-944-0094
> summer:
> PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839
> 906-494-2434
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> On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 4:11 AM, <konstantin.vorobyev@nts.ricoh.co.jp>
> wrote:
>> Dear PWG members,
>>
>> Well, I have one question related to CIM_Printer class, and hope this
>> mailing list is the best place for that.
>>
>> Currently we use the latest version of CIM scheme, 2.19.1, and among
> other
>> information about printer we need to provide vendor's name, like "Ricoh"
>> etc. But it seems there no such property in current CIM_Printer class
>> as well as in all it's superclasses.
>> How should we add such information? Should we create new class by
> extending
>> CIM_Printer class, or use some existing property, like Name, Caption
>> or
> so?
>>
>> Thank you very much in advance,
>>
>> Best regards, Konstantin Vorobyev, RICOH COMPANY, LTD.
>>
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