Joe,
I agree with your conslusion that this paper should only describe the
attribute model. The statement from Tom, that you replied to, appears to
imply that this paper would be more of a description of the Job Monitoring
MIB model. The Job MIB model appears to adequately covered in the MIB
document. But the background and rationale for the attribute objects are
not.
I have started such a paper and will try to post this initial draft next
week.
Ron Bergman
Hitachi Koki Imaging Solutions
On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, Filion, Joseph L wrote:
> Tom (and Ang),
>> Yes, the attribute support bit vector and the mirror table do go a long way
> towards solving our problem. I guess I understood Angelo's proposal to mean
> that a description of the structure of the model would be written
> independent of an instance of that model; so I wouldn't expect to see a
> description of the Job Monitoring MIB V2 in that description. Would you
> think the paper being proposed would include descriptions of the attribute
> vector and mirror tables?
>> JLF
>> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hastings, Tom N [mailto:hastings at cp10.es.xerox.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 1999 2:55 PM
> To: Filion, Joseph L; Caruso, Angelo
> Cc: jmp
> Subject: RE: JMP> FW: Document Action: Job Monitoring MIB - V1 to
> Informat ional
>>> Joe,
>> What about the Job Monitoring MIB V2 that has the attribute support bit
> vector and the mirror table? Don't they solve your problem?
>> I would assume that such a paper would also include the description of Job
> Monitoring MIB V2 as well.
>> Thanks,
> Tom
>> -----Original Message-----
> From: Filion, Joseph L
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 1999 11:51
> To: Caruso, Angelo; Hastings, Tom N
> Cc: jmp
> Subject: RE: JMP> FW: Document Action: Job Monitoring MIB - V1 to
> Informat ional
>>> Tom and Ang,
>> Maybe publishing a separate stand-alone document describing the new model
> would help (or would have helped), but let's not loose sight of some of the
> real issues with the model itself. One issue that continues to bother me is
> if you want to get all the information that a printer knows about a job it
> is real easy to get from a MIB that uses this model; but if you want to get
> two or three specific attributes for all of the jobs, it is very difficult
> to do efficiently with this model. Let's face it, we can all think of
> management side applications that want to do exactly this, and they cannot
> be done without retrieving every bit of data from the table. I am not
> saying that this model is not without its merit; I would just like to make
> sure that all the pros and cons are on the table.
>> Thanks,
> JLF
>> -----Original Message-----
> From: Caruso, Angelo [mailto:Angelo.Caruso at usa.xerox.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 1999 8:54 AM
> To: Hastings, Tom N; jmp
> Subject: RE: JMP> FW: Document Action: Job Monitoring MIB - V1 to
> Informat ional
>>> Tom,
>> Perhaps the IETF is taking issue with the fact that we invented a new
> information model, built on top of SNMP/SMI, and then just went ahead and
> implemented the first instance of this new model, all in one MIB module.
> Perhaps we should have published a generic definition of the new model first
> as a stand-alone document, and then published the JMP MIB as an example
> implementation.
>> Thanks,
> Ang
>> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hastings, Tom N [mailto:hastings at cp10.es.xerox.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 7:29 PM
> To: jmp
> Subject: JMP> FW: Document Action: Job Monitoring MIB - V1 to
> Informational
>>> The PWG Job Monitoring MIB has been approved by the IESG to be sent out as
> an
> Informational RFC. However, the IESG doesn't approve of our modeling of
> management information. By this I assume they mean the attribute mechanism
> that we invented to handle the great variability between implementations.
>> They also don't recognize the PWG as a standards making body according to
> the note.
>> Tom
>> -----Original Message-----
> From: The IESG [mailto:iesg-secretary at ietf.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 3:02 PM
> Cc: RFC Editor; Internet Architecture Board; pmp at pwg.org> Subject: Document Action: Job Monitoring MIB - V1 to Informational
>>>>> The IESG has approved the Internet-Draft 'Job Monitoring MIB - V1'
> <draft-ietf-printmib-job-monitor-07.txt> as an Informational RFC. This
> document is the product of the Printer MIB Working Group. The IESG
> contact persons are Keith Moore and Patrik Faltstrom
>>> Note to RFC Editor:
>> The IESG requests the following text be included as an IESG Note:
>> This MIB module uses an unconventional scheme for modeling
> management information (on top of the SNMP model) which is unique to
> this MIB. The IESG recommends against using this document as an
> example for the design of future MIBs.
>> The "Printer Working Group" industry consortium is not an IETF
> working group, and the IETF does not recognize the Printer Working
> Group as a standards-setting body. This document is being published
> solely to provide information to the Internet community regarding a
> MIB that might be deployed in the marketplace. Publication of
> this document as an RFC is not an endorsement of this MIB.
>