[3D Printing] Initial draft of IPP 3D Printing Extensions posted

[3D Printing] Initial draft of IPP 3D Printing Extensions posted

[3D Printing] Initial draft of IPP 3D Printing Extensions posted

Olliver Schinagl o.schinagl at ultimaker.com
Mon Feb 2 20:30:32 UTC 2015


Hey all,

line 243 talks about the SLC, A quick search shows this as a 'cad slice 
file'? I was under the impression that the STL file, is a 3D description 
only, aka *Standard Tessellation 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tessellation> Language*.

The STL wikipage does mention SLC briefly as something by 3D-systems 
from 1994.

Possible something I don't know everything about.

Also here, my knowledge might be a bit short, but s3g mentioned on line 
248 talks about a simple network protocol and file format. Afaik, s3g is 
a binary representation for gcode, with all the machine specific bits 
added. E.g. makerbots talk only s3g for example, and don't understand 
gcode, wheres most other 3d printers talk plain old gcode. This is 
brought up again in line 297 and I'm not sure the advantages are correct.
P.S. early experimentation showed that a binary representation of pure 
gcode did not save much bandwith.

253: 3.1 Use Cases
I know there are some people that mount webcams on their printers. 
Something unthinkable for 2D printers. 3D printers can take ages and the 
first few layers can be crucial. People use camera's to monitor this 
behavior and allow people to be kept up to date on the status. I do see 
this mentioned on line 316.

253: 3.1 Use Cases
Jane prints an item on a monochrome printer, and wants to change 
materials at certain predefined layers (taken into account by the 
slicing software). The printer prints the first few layer with material 
A, and when it is ready to switch to a new material (color) it notifies 
Jane to swap the material.

This use case will be valid for quite a while. Even when there are 
multi-material printers, one may still have to change the material as 
they go.

254: 3.1.1 Print a 3D Object.
Just nitpicking, but: While in the future this is how we'd love to do 
it, Also take into account that you have a lot of 'monochrome' printers 
on the network, so Jane may pick a printer based on the material that's 
already in the printer. Just something to keep in the back of your head. 
I imagine that a network admin just names the printer based on the 
available material and that'll be that.

258: 3.2 Exceptions.
Not being a hard error, but there's also the feeder 'skipping' and not 
able to output enough filament, due to whatever reason (misaligned 
bed?), in other words, the fillament throughput speed is not what is 
expected.

Misaligned-bed causing the print not to adhere properly.

Other reasons that the material won't properly stick to the bed causing 
failures int he result.

Full build-plate. Jane starts a print, but there is still an object on 
the printer.

For some reason a motor is skipping potentially causing it to hit 
end-stops ruining the print in the process.

Obviously some of these things cannot be detected at all or not for a 
while anyway.

294: Note that the firmware is also always evolving adding more and more 
status as demand requires :)

302: I can't speak for all printers obviously, but a lot of them are 
simply usb to serial converters, where gcode is sent serially.

305: yeah, future additions are probably required as things go on.

318: I know some repraps move the whole head up/down, and the platform 
moves forward/backward, or left/right.

327: And keep everything above the extruder cool. E.g. cold material in, 
hot material out, without leaking any heat from the hotend to the cold end.

329: And lamps may be used by some printers to light up the build plate!

341: If FDM ever moves to some form of filament that is not solid, there 
will also be a reservoir. Though I ponder, what is the difference 
between the fillament on a spool, and a reservoir?

342: The Extruders are sometimes seen as the E1 and E2 axis

349 & 351: The color directly relates to the material, though for some 
materials, the color may not be important. Future printers may offer 2 
colors/materials for a job only when they have dual extruders.

357: While the feeder provides material in nanometers per second, we 
feed to achive a volume of extruded material.

365: short list ;) i'm sure theres many more. For example, bronze-filled 
PLA, conductive PLA just to get the neurons going

383 - 390: Look at the Cura (advanced)settings we offer already; i 
imagine we don't even expose all settings that could be tweaked.

393: I'd call it ... something support-ish but not support (we call it 
support atm I think), none, skirt, raft, brim.

402: Missing are the print speed of the outer shell and the inner 
shell(s). And layer height of inner shell(s). Outer shell is the generic 
overal layer height I imagine.

403: Support is a science of its own. There's quite a few methods of 
printing support. Additionally, as you suggest one could print support 
with a different material, or, print only a few layers (the connecting 
layers) with a different material, wax for example, but the rest of the 
support with regular material. The fine tuning herein could be within 
the printer, but if you expose it as you do now, then keep in mind of 
future changes as well.

412.5 Print chamber temperature (integer | no-value) Some printers come 
with a heated chamber/temperature stable chamber. While a patented 
technology, it's nice to account for it, if there's a fan to regulate 
the chamber temperature (faster lowering), I'd expect the printer to 
handle that by itself simply based by the chamber temp

415.5 I suppose one could argue a fan for exhaust may be controllable or 
should be handled by the printer at all times.

441: Not sure what you mean, sounds like an integer representation of 
439, but not sure what that would mean however. Layer height? 
Additionally, infill has various other attributes, layer height of the 
infill, speed of the infill.

448: interesting point, I guess that's the model rotation. Is this a 
cups attribute? in that case, you'd need all 90 degree angles, X, Y and 
Z, not just Z? Rotation is often performed to improve print-ability.

505: Print chamber temperature

515: Yeah, absolutely check what our software also has as changable 
features, there's quite a lot ;) I see a few things here that I may have 
mentioned along the lines aswell.

532: I haven't checked all that out, as it's all related to the above.

560: As you say, hampered by openness. We really can't support something 
as a standard, if it's not open. Btw, Cura has support for AMF ;)

647: Me! ;)

Overal, you talk about nanometer scales on certain items, but some 
depend on the size of the nozzle and ideally should be rounded to 
multiple nozzle sizes. Though I expect this for the printer to sort out 
itself.

Hope this helps a little,

Olliver

On 01/23/2015 11:32 PM, Michael Sweet wrote:
> All,
>
> I have posted an initial draft of a white paper describing a potential extension to IPP for 3D Printing to:
>
> 	http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/3d-printing/wd-apple-ipp3d-20150123.docx
> 	http://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/BOFs/3d-printing/wd-apple-ipp3d-20150123.pdf
>
> For discussion at the 3D Printing BOF on February 4th during the F2F.
>
> _________________________________________________________
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>
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Olliver Schinagl
Research & Development
Ultimaker B.V.
http://www.ultimaker.com

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