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Christian, thank you for contacting me regarding the feasibility of extending the Finisher MIB. I'm glad that you find the Finisher MIB applicable to UP3i. I strongly encourage leveraging common semantics among related standards organizations. Of course I know R. Parrish, R. Graham, R. Hohensee and D. Stone.. they are exceptional colleagues (as are the Finisher MIB co-authors, R. Bergman and I. McDonald). I have discussed your note with my co-authors and we have the following comments 1. It appears that you are working with an out of date draft (-14).    - Please obtain the latest draft <a href="http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-printmib-finishing-16.txt">http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-printmib-finishing-16.txt</a>    - Note that there have been updates, especially in the areas of internationalization and charset support 2. Your table did not translate well into plain text. If possible, please forward an HTML or WORD version. This will help us better understand your specific questions   - Please include more descriptive text for each proposed attribute if possible... enough to adequately describe the attribute and it's purpose, such as you find in our Printer and Finisher MIBs. 3. Some of the attributes you are interested in (ex. amount remaining on roll) may be part of the Printer MIB I would like to recommend that PWG and UP3i work together to extend the Finisher MIB to suite you needs. Since the IETF process can be excruciatingly slow and cumbersome, the PWG plans to manage future printer related MIB extensions via our own, PWG standards process. In fact, we are currently engaged in defining a web services device management protocol and related XML schema. We expect this effort to result in some new printer and scanner semantics which will need to be mapped into PWG Printer MIB extensions.... so your timing is good. We can work together on the Finisher MIB extensions this year. PWG will be holding a f2f meeting in San Jose, California,  Feb 23-26. There is still time to add this topic to the agenda if you think a UP3i representative(s) would attend. Our next meeting will be April (after Easter) in Washington, D.C.     ---------------------------------------------- Harry Lewis Chairman - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group http://www.pwg.org IBM Printing Systems http://www.ibm.com/printers 303-924-5337 ---------------------------------------------- <table width=100%> <tr valign=top> <td width=40%>"Sack, Christian" <Christian.Sack@ops.de> 01/09/2004 03:33 AM <td width=59%> <table width=100%> <tr> <td> <div align=right>To</div> <td valign=top>Harry Lewis/Boulder/IBM@IBMUS <tr> <td> <div align=right>cc</div> <td valign=top>Kouptchinsky Andre <Andre.Kouptchinsky@osl.be> <tr> <td> <div align=right>Subject</div> <td valign=top>UP3I's interest to Finishing MIB</table> <table> <tr valign=top> <td> <td></table> </table> <tt>Hello Harry, dear Finisher-MIB chair, my name is Christian Sack and I'm writing you in the name of the UP3I organization. This organization (UP3I = Universal Printer, Pre and Postprocessing Inerface, www.up3i.org) is a non profit organization of vendors like IBM, Xerox, Oce, RSI, Standard etc. I'm director to this organisation. From IBM's technical side there are Ron Parrish (ronp@us.ibm.com), Ronald Graham (regraham@us.ibm.com), Reinhard Hohensee (hohensee@us.ibm.com), Dave E. Stone (destone@us.ibm.com), and others involved - maybe you know them? Here now comes my request for some help: The UP3I specification made a connection to your Finishing-MIB as we use your excellent work for administrative information support. Now as we are deeper in detail and going to implementation phase, we miss some parameters in your MIB. Please find below a summarized table of my partner Andre Kouptchinsky with these missing parameters. Table 1: Attributes to support by finisher devices via SNMP. Mandatory attributes are emphasized. MIF attributes                 Meaning                 Coverage by IETF finisher MIB draft nr 14                 .1  ComponentId                                  printmib.30.1.1.10  finDeviceDescription                 .1.1  Manufacturer                                  specific OID's per attribute to be supplied .1.2  Product                                  idem                 .1.3  Version                                  idem                 .1.4  Serial Number                                  idem                 .1.5  Installation Date                                  idem                 .1.6  Verify                                  idem                 .1101  Controller                                                   .1101.1  Status                                  printmib.30.1.1.9  finDeviceStatus                 .1101.2  Error                                  not in MIB draft proposal, to be supplied                 .1101.3  Warning                                  not in MIB draft proposal, can be supplied .1102  Counters                                                   Cutter Stacker (Hunkeler):                                                   .1102.1  Stunden                 run hours since production start-up                 not in MIB draft proposal, to be supplied                 .1102.2  Schnitt                 number of cuts of a cutter                 not in MIB draft proposal, to be supplied                 .1102.3  Dokumente                 number of documents processed by cutter                 not in MIB draft proposal, to be supplied                 .1102.4  Stapel                 number of stacks processed by cutter                 not in MIB draft proposal, to be supplied                 .1102.5  Formatgr�sse                 size of a cut in 1/6 inch                 not in MIB draft proposal, can be supplied                 Unwinder (Hunkeler):                                                   .1102.1 Stunden                 run hours since production start-up                                   .1102.2 Laufmeter                 paper length in current meters                                   .1102.3 Rollen                 number of rolls on (un)winder since production start printmib.31.1.1.1  finSupplyIndex (supply index to increment for every new roll)                 .1102.4 Rollengr�sse                 Roll diameter in mm (current)                 not in MIB draft proposal, can be supplied                 Cutter (Stralfors):                                                   .1102.1 NumberOfPages                 number of cut pages since knife change                 not in MIB draft proposal, to be supplied                 Re-/Unwinder (Stralfors):                                                   .1102.1 PaperRemaining                 amount of paper remaining on roll printmib.31.1.1.8  finSupplyCurrentLevel                 Others (see hereunder):                                                   .1102.1 NumberOfTicks                 percentage of remaining paper on a roll or stack not in MIB draft proposal, to be supplied                 .1102.2 FillStatus                 percentage of remaining paper on a roll or stack printmib.31.1.1.8  finSupplyCurrentLevel                 May be it is possible extend the finishing MIB, or is UP3I supposed to add some prorietary branches or have we simply overseen some points? Please advice and give us an idea how to continue on this point... Thanks! Best regards, Christian ================================ Christian Sack Oc� Printing Systems GmbH Electronics and Sensors Siemensallee 2 85586 Poing Tel: +49 8121 72 3186 Fax: +49 8121 72 4221 Oc� mission statement: Oc� enables its customers to manage their documents efficiently by offering innovative print and document management products and services for professional environments.   Wichtiger Hinweis: Diese E-Mail, die angeh�ngten Dateien und deren Inhalt sind vertraulich und ausschlie�lich f�r den oben bezeichneten Adressaten bestimmt. Jeder Zugriff sowie jegliche Nutzung, Verbreitung oder Speicherung durch andere Personen ist nicht gestattet. Eine Zuwiderhandlung kann strafrechtlich verfolgt werden. Sollten Sie diese E-Mail irrt�mlich erhalten haben, bitten wir Sie, den Absender umgehend zu benachrichtigen und anschlie�end die E-Mail zu l�schen. 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