IPP> RE: Resending: Heads up on possible multiple sizes for prc-32K ( and 16K???) paper

IPP> RE: Resending: Heads up on possible multiple sizes for prc-32K ( and 16K???) paper

IPP> RE: Resending: Heads up on possible multiple sizes for prc-32K ( and 16K???) paper

GRANT,MELINDA (HP-Vancouver,ex1) melinda_grant at hp.com
Tue Aug 21 19:06:19 EDT 2001


PCL says ROC 16K is 7.75 x 10.75 inches, and that ROC 8K is 10.75 x 15.5
inches.

These are government standards as I recall (ROC = "Republic of China" and
PRC = "People's Republic of China") but I couldn't find an online link to
their standard definitions (at least, not in English ;-).

Melinda

-----Original Message-----
From: Bergman, Ron [mailto:Ron.Bergman at Hitachi-hkis.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 4:11 PM
To: 'Don Levinstone'
Cc: 'Tom Hastings'; 'ipp at pwg.org'
Subject: IPP> RE: Resending: Heads up on possible multiple sizes for
prc-32K ( and 16K???) paper


Don,

Thanks for the input.  The prc-32k and prc-16k sizes are from the Adobe PPD
specification and the Microsoft GPD specification.  But it is no surprise
that there is a discrepancy.  I wonder if China has an offical standard on
paper sizes.  It is also possible that each paper factory in China has its
own set of standards.

	Ron

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Levinstone [mailto:don at mail.wm.sps.mot.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 1:20 PM
To: 'Ron Bergman'
Cc: 'Tom Hastings'
Subject: Resending: Heads up on possible multiple sizes for prc-32K (and
16K???) paper


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Hi Ron.

Just f.y.i.  The following final correspondence with my friend Ping
from the PRC indicates there may even be some diversity in what "32K"
(and "16k") means over there.  I'm not requesting any change in the
spec, just suggesting that there may be more than one PRC 32K in your
future (like executive?), and you might keep your eyes out for a "most
popular" definition of PRC 32K, or for some more official attestation.

Specifically, Ping provides two different sizes for 32K, neither of
which is the same as what's in the 1.0 spec!

And, I'm surprised that the prc-32k in the 1.0 spec is not an obvious
"divide by 2" with respect to the prc-16k in the spec.  (Ping's
"smaller 32K" *is* 1/2 of her "16K", but her 16K differs from the spec's.)

Good luck with this piece of the morass!

don


re:
> From Ping Wed Aug  8 10:28:19 2001
> To: "'Don Levinstone'" <don at mail.wm.sps.mot.com>
> Subject: RE: Question about paper sizes in China...
> ...
> Sorry to late to reply you. I only get some info back last night from
China.
> 
> Basically, there are several kinds of paper used in printer:
> (1) A5: 148x210 mm;
> (2) A4: 210x297 mm;
> (3) A3: 297 x 420 mm;
> (4) B4: 260 X 368 mm;
> (5) B5: 182 X 257 mm;
> (6) 16K: 184 X 260 mm;
> (7) Large 32K: 140 X 203 mm;
> (8) Smaller 32K: 130 X 184 mm;
> 
> (6) -- (8) are traditionally Chinese paper size, while others are
> came from western country. Above paper size are currently used in the
> University. I don't know whether there are other paper sizes are
> popular in China.


> From don  Thu Aug  9 18:03:46 2001
> To: Ping
> 
> The A3-A5 sizes agree with ISO standard.  The B5 size agrees with
> the Japanese variant (JIS-B5).  The B4 size differs from either ISO
> or JIS, surprisingly.  (B4 should be 2x B5 in one dimension and the
> same as B5 in the other dimension, but note that 257 differs from 260,
> and 2x182=364, not 368.)
> 
> And it's interesting to see there are two "32K" sizes (neither of
> which agrees with our spec of 97x151), and the 16K doesn't agree with
> our spec of 146x215mm.  Very weird!
> 
> BTW:  Were these measured with a ruler, or are these numbers that
> were listed on the paper package or are they from some table of numbers?


> From Ping  Wed Aug 15 15:50:00 2001
> To: "'Don Levinstone'" <don at mail.wm.sps.mot.com>
> Subject: RE: Question about paper sizes in China...
> 
> >BTW:  Were these measured with a ruler, or are these numbers that
> >were listed on the paper package or are they from some table of numbers?
> 
> I was told these measures were NOT from ruler, they should from the
numbers
> that were listed on the paper pakage.


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